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On May 20 2016 13:36 IgnE wrote:
I think I could do that gotunk.
Dudes I am so shredded right now. On a yoga retreat at a Mexican beach with vegetarian diet (some shrimp and fish on a couple of the days) this past week. Four hours of hot yoga a day. Fucking shredded.
My body could probably use a yoga retreat. Oh well. I'm still sore two days later from my super light push/pull days earlier this week.
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On May 17 2016 08:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Except if you eat protein you will not gain fat and if you eat carbohydrates you will. Almost irrespective of actual caloric intake.
say what?
So you can eat 10.000 calories of protein and not gain fat but if you eat 1500 calories of carbs you will gain fat?
Is protein somehow calorie free or immune to being stored as reserve energy?
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Guys don't seem to go on yoga retreats. It's me and twenty women at a yoga villa.
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Nice I think I'll do that skme time too. Getting shredded as fuck with 20 women sounds good.
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Did yoga today morning, we added the classes to my box on low traffic hour.
I so wanna bang the teacher.
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On May 21 2016 00:30 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2016 08:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Except if you eat protein you will not gain fat and if you eat carbohydrates you will. Almost irrespective of actual caloric intake. say what? So you can eat 10.000 calories of protein and not gain fat but if you eat 1500 calories of carbs you will gain fat? Is protein somehow calorie free or immune to being stored as reserve energy?
I misspoke a bit. I meant fat. I haven't seen people discuss protein as a primary energy source. I mean, imagine how much you would have to eat. A diet of 10k calories in fat was discussed in the last article I posted. It says there that they were able to get prisoners to gain fat on an all fat diet, but it was really difficult and they immediately lost the weight. The experiment was not published because it was considered a failure. That's how hard it was to get these guys to eat more fat. Most people are going to feel really full at 3k-4k fat calories, even if they really try. You can eat 10k carbs easy.
And, yes, you might lose fat if you're really undereating, carbs or no, but you can't starve yourself forever. So within non-ridiculous situations.
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On May 21 2016 08:53 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 00:30 Pulimuli wrote:On May 17 2016 08:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Except if you eat protein you will not gain fat and if you eat carbohydrates you will. Almost irrespective of actual caloric intake. say what? So you can eat 10.000 calories of protein and not gain fat but if you eat 1500 calories of carbs you will gain fat? Is protein somehow calorie free or immune to being stored as reserve energy? I misspoke a bit. I meant fat. I haven't seen people discuss protein as a primary energy source. I mean, imagine how much you would have to eat. A diet of 10k calories in fat was discussed in the last article I posted. It says there that they were able to get prisoners to gain fat on an all fat diet, but it was really difficult and they immediately lost the weight. The experiment was not published because it was considered a failure. That's how hard it was to get these guys to eat more fat. Most people are going to feel really full at 3k-4k fat calories, even if they really try. You can eat 10k carbs easy. And, yes, you might lose fat if you're really undereating, carbs or no, but you can't starve yourself forever. So within non-ridiculous situations.
Yes i exaggerated of course, fat is high in calories but does not spike insulin the same way carbs or even protein do making it harder for it to be stored as fat. Thats what you're getting at?
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On May 21 2016 08:53 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 00:30 Pulimuli wrote:On May 17 2016 08:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Except if you eat protein you will not gain fat and if you eat carbohydrates you will. Almost irrespective of actual caloric intake. say what? So you can eat 10.000 calories of protein and not gain fat but if you eat 1500 calories of carbs you will gain fat? Is protein somehow calorie free or immune to being stored as reserve energy? I misspoke a bit. I meant fat. I haven't seen people discuss protein as a primary energy source. I mean, imagine how much you would have to eat. A diet of 10k calories in fat was discussed in the last article I posted. It says there that they were able to get prisoners to gain fat on an all fat diet, but it was really difficult and they immediately lost the weight. The experiment was not published because it was considered a failure. That's how hard it was to get these guys to eat more fat. Most people are going to feel really full at 3k-4k fat calories, even if they really try. You can eat 10k carbs easy. And, yes, you might lose fat if you're really undereating, carbs or no, but you can't starve yourself forever. So within non-ridiculous situations.
Source on the details of that study please.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292021/pdf/jcinvest00194-0053.pdf
So here's the actual study. The thing that's not particularly well established is the dietary content. There is really no information on what they ate in that report. It was a study on gaining and losing fat, not diet. I had heard that they were eating mostly fat from a secondary source...but this was a 1967 prison. So maybe that doesn't help the investigation of 10k calories of fat per se, but they did report that they did manage to gain weight by eating massive amounts of calories (which is what we'd expect with fat or carbs). It was apparently really difficult for some of them. And, once they stopped eating at excess, they almost immediately lost the weight again.
This suggests that something else was going on other than just how many calories they were eating. Their bodies really resisted gaining weight. What mechanism is causing this?
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I already found that study but it has none of the details you mentioned and that all these sites report on.
What I see is. They eat a lot, they gain a lot of weight(mostly fat) then they get calory restricted(and move more) and lose a bunch of weight.
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That's what is meant when we say the Energy Balance paradigm is descriptive, not explanatory. You have perfectly described the situation and not explained anything. The details are what are significant, like how much they had to eat and how quickly they lost the weight.
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I ordered the Good Calories, Bad Calories book. Hopefully I can use the bibliography to do some more concrete sourcing.
I was reading a book about the internet recently and it discussed how fewer sources are being used now because of the effect of search engines.
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Maybe I haven't explained anything. But I think it's clear that this study neither supports your argument(about the fat eating) nor the ones stated in the article.
In fact some of the details are just plain wrong leading me to thinkt that there might be another study.
I don't think the book will help because the lack of good studies is what led taubes to start the The Nutrition Science Initiative - NuSI (so nusi can sponsor good studies).
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Yes, I think you're right. I'd need to confirm these secondary sources.
I'm hoping I can find the sources for all these secondary anecdotes that we've been reading that don't seem to be in that report.
The hypothesis that I am gathering is less that "I eat this food and it becomes fat and I eat this food and it doesnt", but that the food you eat contributes to your hormonal state and that determines your level of fatness. That experiment showed, if we can trust the secondary sources, that this hormonal homeostasis can be overcome by massive overeating, but will want to return, just as overweight people can undereat but will return to their baseline weight. Do we gain weight progressively over the years because we eat an extra 100 calories every day and build fat linearly or because bad diet and age cause our metabolic state to progressively deteriorate?
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It's both. The problem is that the things that ya'll are arguing aren't mutually exclusive. Yes if you could eat 10k calories a day in fat/protein, you would put on fat, but the reaction of your body to a high fat diet makes doing so unlikely if not impossible. That's the same premise that Jamie Lewis used when he set up his apex predator diet (which is basically a cyclical kerogen if diet with the carb redress varying based on how fat you currently are or aren't.) it's easier to overeat carbs because of the hormonal and neurological reaction you have to them. Neither of you is right and neither is wrong because you're both trying to argue idealized versions of your belief. One side is looking at strictly what a calorie is and one side is looking strictly at hormones and that's why so much nutrition research fails so hard, because we have a system here not a single variable.
Anyway, lost about 14 lbs this semester from my peak high of 215 back in January due to not force feeding myself. Was nice to have abs for a bit but I think it's time to put the size back on. shouldnt be too hard now that I'm back to working on ambulances.
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wow thats not bad
no pix? :p
dont u prefer to have visible abs?
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Rather look good at 215 (and someday 230 or 245) than look good at 201. And it's cutting into my ability to improve my lifts too, particularly my bench.
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Update on my progress from my post 6 days ago.
I started off swimming 4 laps, now I'm up to 8. I haven't been going every day because I've been doing 10 hour shifts at work and coming home to study, or going straight to uni. I still puke every trip to the pools.
Vomits in order of best to worst:
-Berry / banana / yogurt smoothie, tasted almost as good coming up as it did going down
-Lasagna from a fancy restaurant, tasted more like tomatoes than anything
-Pure bile / water, hadn't eaten for about 12 hours
-Coffee / oats / swallowed snot. I've had a head cold for a couple of days so I've been sniffing a lot. was bitter and slimy, with a sour after-taste. 0/10 would not recommend.
Running squats push-ups chin-ups and sit-ups are all going fine, too.
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I don't think you can add 8kg in 100 days by doing a bunch of cardio and enurance exercises.
Why not start a strenght based bodyweight routine, google 'training for 10k' and treat every time you puke as zero laps(as in log 0 laps for the day and focus on fixing that).
Don't worry, no kind of training will get you huge from 62kg in 100 days.
Also the distance of that app seems way off because the times are way to good for someone who can't run a 10k without stopping.
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