EPT2015 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread - Page 41
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JimmiC
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govie
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CorsairHero
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wongfeihung
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On May 16 2015 07:00 govie wrote: Pot isnt a chemical element and i can tell from experience that pot isnt a psychical booster in most cases. I call it the lazymaker... Do you know of anything that can boost my psychic powers? | ||
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JimmiC
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govie
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On May 16 2015 07:19 wongfeihung wrote: Do you know of anything that can boost my psychic powers? Maybe pokemons, deep fried kool aid balls, "tong zi dan" (virgin boy eggs) or smalahove? Its worth a try, will you let us know if one worked out? thx!  | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 16 2015 07:01 CorsairHero wrote: no one ever said pot is a PED At best I could see them claiming it is a numbing agent (a bit of a stretch in context). Anyone got a good source on how medical treatment and the drug policy work together? Like obviously Silva got some drugs for his leg, but when would it be against the rules for him to be taking them? | ||
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govie
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2466292-nacs-new-ped-punishments-perfect-but-marijuana-rules-are-ridiculous In general weeds aren’t bad but in a sport which youth really enjoys to watch. I think setting a good example of a healthy lifestyle is important for MMA. Eventually all the fighters will also benefit from the improved image in $-security. Weed is a bit like alcohol in the sense that overconsumption in your youth can wreck your future quite a bit. But you can question why alcohol doesn’t have the same punishment? | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 16 2015 17:40 govie wrote: Seems the NEC (nevada athletic commission) decided that marijuana is drugs. So, i assume MMA does business with them as a doping authority? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2466292-nacs-new-ped-punishments-perfect-but-marijuana-rules-are-ridiculous In general weeds aren’t bad but in a sport which youth really enjoys to watch. I think setting a good example of a healthy lifestyle is important for MMA. Eventually all the fighters will also benefit from the improved image in $-security. Weed is a bit like alcohol in the sense that overconsumption in your youth can wreck your future quite a bit. But you can question why alcohol doesn’t have the same punishment? Fuck punishment it's the main sponsor!? That's the one of the biggest loads of shit I've ever heard. If that's their reasoning they are even more incompetent than I would of thought. Almost every major sponsor in the ring is more dangerous (and a banned substance) than cannabis. Let alone we aren't talking about putting a giant ad for Snoop Dogg Brand Weed where the BUD LIGHT logo is, we're talking about people and their medicine and or recreational activities. I'm pretty sure they make sure drunk people aren't getting in the ring either so I'm fine with not allowing them to fight under the influence but the half life of detectable THC in urine is ridiculously longer than any potential benefits or any effects that would inhibit intelligent self defense (safety). So it would be fine so long as the ranges and patterns were testable in a way that it distinguished from being under the influence and just having traces in ones system. | ||
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govie
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I accept the scientific stuff, but youth gets tempted in over-consuming that stuff when it can be basically free of cost. Some seeds potentially give alot of shopping-bags full of weed/pot. That is imo the difference between pot/weed and alcohol. Because alcohol is pretty expensive when you are a teenager and overusing it is financially harder to pull off, weed doesn’t have that problem. I’ve seen youth & young adults over consume weed/pot to a point it eventually denied them a better future then they eventually got. Pot/weed was fun, which slowly lead to overconsumption into skipping classes, late night parties, more alcohol and pot, wrong crowd, kicked from school, more wrong friends, harddrugs usage, kicked from another school, losing jobs they werent motivated for, into crime and eventually jailtime. No, i think setting an example through athletes young people look up to is fine. But maybe the NAC should do something in their "image" in regards to alcohol consumption too, else they look a bit hypocrite. | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
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On May 16 2015 21:51 JimmiC wrote: This is the wrong place for a is pot ad argument. It's illeagle in mma because its illeagle in society. Once that's changes it will be interesting to see if ufc changes along with other pro sports. I feel leagues will want to because IT sucks lose stars for non ped use. It's criminality is based of propaganda, political cowardliness, and stupid. It's already not illegal in several states for recreational use, and it's a medicinal herb in almost half the states, and might get reclassified/decriminalized federally in a matter of years. My question is how do the drug policies work with medical treatments? @gov: you are so wrong about this but this isn't the place. | ||
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Sermokala
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On May 17 2015 02:58 GreenHorizons wrote: It's criminality is based of propaganda, political cowardliness, and stupid. It's already not illegal in several states for recreational use, and it's a medicinal herb in almost half the states, and might get reclassified/decriminalized federally in a matter of years. My question is how do the drug policies work with medical treatments? @gov: you are so wrong about this but this isn't the place. I know that HRT or something was legal so that older fighters could get testosterone injections but that was banned a little while ago. I'd think that would mean that if you need it for medical reasons and its not under one of the more ilegal lists of substances I think its legal. In any case the UFC takes its cues from the international dopeing agency and follows their guidelines for everything. https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/the-code I'm fairly certain this is the organization. If anything I would consider pot to be on the same level as on the shelf advil or a generic version of it. which is banned for its medicnial properties as anything giveing you an advantage would/should be banned. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 17 2015 07:12 Sermokala wrote: I know that HRT or something was legal so that older fighters could get testosterone injections but that was banned a little while ago. I'd think that would mean that if you need it for medical reasons and its not under one of the more ilegal lists of substances I think its legal. In any case the UFC takes its cues from the international dopeing agency and follows their guidelines for everything. https://www.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/the-code I'm fairly certain this is the organization. If anything I would consider pot to be on the same level as on the shelf advil or a generic version of it. which is banned for its medicnial properties as anything giveing you an advantage would/should be banned. Yeah my question would be does the testing reflect that though? If you taking advil a couple weeks before the fight they aren't going to hit ya but it seems like they would for cannabis? | ||
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govie
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GreenHorizons
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On May 17 2015 08:49 govie wrote: Im not a chemist but it feels a bit like its a political statement from NAC, which is backed by UFC. But sermokala is quite clear that its by an international authority so then it must be true that it could give an advantage. or maybe not... Although marijuana is not considered a performance-enhancing drug, WADA included it on its initial list of prohibited substances in 2003 after caving in to pressure from U.S. sports officials. “From a sports perspective, I was rather ambivalent (toward marijuana),” stated Richard Pound, an attorney who was WADA’s initial chief and still serves on the Foundation Board. “As we morphed into WADA, the USA was very keen to have it included.” “There is no desire to go soft on the list,” WADA’s Athlete Committee announced, “but members want cheaters to be caught for cheating, not for recreational usage.” So yeah it's bullshit propaganda from the US that got it on the list but they did up the limit to try to make it less bullshit. Not sure which limit UFC is using though? | ||
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CorsairHero
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SynC[gm]
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As for Lim Hyun Gyu, it's unfortunate he ended up the way he did, I thought he would sort of be more calculating with his strikes after rocking Magny, but no, just swinging away with tremendous power while holding nothing back seems to be what he likes to do. To add to that, taking into account that he was absolutely exhausted, his ground game was pretty bad, considering how easy Magny passed guard. Lim made absolutely no effort to even try and block any attempts at passing guard, but he was probably eventually going to lose anyways, either TKO on the ground or a similar way he lost to Tarec Saffiedine. Unfortunate for Bang Tae Hyun and Nam Yui Chul too, sad to see all 3 Korean fighters take losses, though I didn't watch the Nam vs Nover fight. Also, kudos to Mark Munoz's career, being a very great sport and not making many excuses. Up until the Chris Weidman fight, he was definitely doing well and seemed like a contender, but after the loss, it seemed like the beginning of the end. No matter, pretty sure he's content with how he did in the UFC and he'll probably have a decent career as a wrestling coach or something for Reign. | ||
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ninazerg
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On May 17 2015 12:37 CorsairHero wrote: the superfight that was 5 years late happened and no one is talking about it hahah It's a rule that super fights only happen wayyyyy after people care any more. I thought it was cool, though, even though Uriah Faber always loses the important fights. On May 17 2015 14:42 SynC[gm] wrote: Unfortunate for Bang Tae Hyun and Nam Yui Chul too, sad to see all 3 Korean fighters take losses, though I didn't watch the Nam vs Nover fight. Nam Yui Chul got fucking robbed. He definitely won rounds 2 and 3. That was such bullshit because he fought such a good fight. That was one of the most screwed-up decisions I've ever seen. | ||
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JimmiC
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