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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 13 2015 23:37 GMT
#781
On May 14 2015 08:18 Amarant1995 wrote:
Anyone here thinks McGregor will beat Aldo ? I have weird feeling that stylisticly Conor is a bad fight for Aldo because of his unorthodox movement and striking in general. Aldo has decent leg kicks that could take some strength and speed from Conor if they land. What you guys think ?

its like the time i bet on mayweather but hope manny wins

i feel the same way about aldo / mcgoat especially at the odds right now
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 00:09:36
May 14 2015 00:07 GMT
#782
it all depends how much Aldo can exploit the weaknesses of the wide stance Conor likes to use.

the only other striker with any where near the skill level of Mcgregor that Aldo fought was Hominick in 2011. And, from what i recall Hominick had a much more closed stance. i'll probably go back and check out that fight more closely and add to these comments.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 14 2015 00:20 GMT
#783
On May 14 2015 09:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it all depends how much Aldo can exploit the weaknesses of the wide stance Conor likes to use.


And whether Conor can effectively use his variation on the right straight where he keeps his elbow in and throws it truly straight. (you can kind of see it in the previous video, he misses a bunch of traditional right straight's [before where it's qued] then you notice him focus on his right arm position and let's a couple go and they land super flush and set up the KO punch.)

the reason it works is boxers learn to notice your elbow (subconsciously if they are well trained) moving outward before you throw the straight. Between that and ones shoulder it gives an expert plenty of time to react and possibly counter. When you throw it with your elbow in first thing it hides is the elbow movement, the next important thing it hides is that the fist is coming at them.

As smart as we like to think we are and as good as we like to think vision and the brain works it's all actually really bad at noticing the fist is getting closer.



It seems to have been left out completely of boxing, my guess is the big gloves (blocking pillows) mean losing that bit of power makes the punch to weak to feel like it's doing damage. also traditional boxing form makes blocking that punch easier than typical MMA stances (especially when concerned about takedowns).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 03:47:55
May 14 2015 03:42 GMT
#784
Has Aldo ever faced any one as big as Mcgregor? Mcgregor does not look as though he belongs in the division. Mcgregor is constantly yapping about how small his opponents are. I do not think its possible for Mcgregor to remain a featherweight for the next 5 years because i don't think he'll be able to keep doing the weight cut required.

I think the same thing about Rory Macdonald as a welterweight.

There is a picture out there of Rory having lunch with Liddell and Forrest Griffin. He looks like he is over 210 lbs.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0kW5hRXgbtU/maxresdefault.jpg
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 14 2015 04:31 GMT
#785
Hominick
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 14 2015 06:05 GMT
#786
OK now I'm split on which I want to see replace UFC as UFC replaces boxing. The knight fighting stuff or this...

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 11:58:25
May 14 2015 11:30 GMT
#787
On May 14 2015 13:31 CorsairHero wrote:
Hominick

in MMA Hominick always fought at 145 or lower.. he is 1 inch shorter and his reach is 5"+ shorter than Mcgregor.
in Kickboxing Hominick fought under 155... and you're weighed in on the day of the fight.

his "canadian super lightweight" fights are at 145 and often he would fight guys who weighed less than him.
he won the belt against a guy that weighed 130 lbs.
he had several WEC fights against guys who are normally below 145.

i thought i might gain some insight into Aldo's next fight by watching UFC 129..i was wrong.
Sure Hominick was a good striker, but his reach and stance make him nothing like Mcgregor.

a pretty open and insightful interview with Rousey

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 14 2015 13:42 GMT
#788
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 19:01:00
May 14 2015 19:00 GMT
#789
"Me beating the crap out of her is the best thing that has ever happened to her," Rousey said. "Why? Because she's made a whole career and a living out of it."

*referring to tate
lmao so true
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 14 2015 19:26 GMT
#790
Ronda still single, my crystal maiden
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-14 20:25:59
May 14 2015 19:50 GMT
#791
nuttin like a female champion ... who actually... you know ....looks like a female.
Gina Carano is the reason i bought Red Alert 3.

here is Cris Santos, the 145 lb. champ
[image loading]
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 15 2015 08:20 GMT
#792
aww I like em both :/
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2015 17:04 GMT
#793
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 15 2015 17:56 GMT
#794
I almost want them to add some WWE type flair for Nelson. Instead of having him walk out like other fighters they should just have him sit in the audience and have the other fighter say he can beat anyone up and then have a camera pan to Roy eating some nachos or something then call him to the ring.

A little random entertainment for Roy fans and it could be interesting for casuals who aren't familiar with him trying to figure out if they really just picked an audience member to fight.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2015 18:23 GMT
#795
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Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
May 15 2015 18:26 GMT
#796
Id love to see Roy do a "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan walk to the octagon haha.
It is what it is
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 15 2015 19:41 GMT
#797
On May 16 2015 03:23 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2015 02:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
I almost want them to add some WWE type flair for Nelson. Instead of having him walk out like other fighters they should just have him sit in the audience and have the other fighter say he can beat anyone up and then have a camera pan to Roy eating some nachos or something then call him to the ring.

A little random entertainment for Roy fans and it could be interesting for casuals who aren't familiar with him trying to figure out if they really just picked an audience member to fight.


I could dig that, but only if all the fighters stood around the cage making it a lumberjack match.


I'm down, and even let him fight buff jobbers (possibly from other leagues, maybe even have them trash talk UFC a little). Some hotshot that actually thinks they can beat Roy but just isn't ready for UFC.

It could be good cross promotion and gives some depth to the game without having to rely on a steady pipeline of phenomenal athletes that are also champion level fighters in multiple disciplines who want to beat on each other for kinda crappy money.

Spitballing

+ Show Spoiler +
Dana and Zuffa strike me as the type that want a monopoly though, so maybe just do it through branding like gap/oldnavy. Bring back Strikeforce as the home of entertainment fights. UFC would be 'the best of the best'. Occasionally or at least 1 every card you take a popular figure from Strikeforce and put them in the ring with someone from the UFC but you add the flair from Strikeforce. You could do all the entertainment stuff with those.

You could also send a UFC fighter to strikeforce occasionally to give them a chance to 'prove themselves' against a UFC fighter and maintain legitimacy, while really it would be like an old fighters home for the UFC where guys who can't compete at the top level anymore go to play off whatever fanbase they established during their UFC career.

You could also try to keep the fight agreement rigging out of UFC by pushing it into Strikeforce. All the drama from boxing when it comes to not taking fights and such would actually add to the scene as opposed to detracting from putting the best up against the best.

It would also potentially act as a great pipeline for building popularity for up and comers. I'm sure there are more ways it could be helpful I'm not mentioning but it doesn't strike me as a half bad idea.

Nominations to immediately fight for the new Strikeforce as described.

Diaz Brothers
Roy Nelson
Josh Barnette
Cub Swanson (is he still fighting?)
"Mayhem" Miller
Any active Gracie
Ken Shamrock
Kimbo Slice
Brock Lesnar
Uriah Faber
Matt Brown
Forrest Griffin
I think you get the point...


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 15 2015 20:48 GMT
#798
On May 15 2015 04:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nuttin like a female champion ... who actually... you know ....looks like a female.
Gina Carano is the reason i bought Red Alert 3.

here is Cris Santos, the 145 lb. champ+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


*insert generic ronda/cyborg fan smack-talk here*
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 15 2015 20:50 GMT
#799
poor nick

The new guidelines are as follows:
Tier 1: Sedatives, Muscle relaxants, Sleep aids, Anxiolytics, Opiates, Cannabis

1st offense: 18-month suspension, fine of 30-40% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 40-50% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 60-75% of fighter's purse
4th offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 2: Diuretics being used to cut weight

1st offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 30-40% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 40-60% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 3: Stimulants (Amphetamines, Cocaine, Etc.)

1st offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 35-45% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 50-60% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 4: Anabolic steroids (includes Testosterone, HGH)

1st offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 50-75% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 48-month suspension, fine of 75-100% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 5: Avoiding testing/detection/urine sample not of human origin or not of tested athletes, Adulterants, Drugs (including diuretics) used as masking agents

1st offense: 48-month suspension, fine of 75% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse


http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/5/15/8612745/nevada-athletic-commission-massively-overhauls-drug-program-topped-by
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
May 15 2015 21:03 GMT
#800
On May 16 2015 05:50 CorsairHero wrote:
poor nick

Show nested quote +
The new guidelines are as follows:
Tier 1: Sedatives, Muscle relaxants, Sleep aids, Anxiolytics, Opiates, Cannabis

1st offense: 18-month suspension, fine of 30-40% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 40-50% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 60-75% of fighter's purse
4th offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 2: Diuretics being used to cut weight

1st offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 30-40% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 40-60% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 3: Stimulants (Amphetamines, Cocaine, Etc.)

1st offense: 24-month suspension, fine of 35-45% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 50-60% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 4: Anabolic steroids (includes Testosterone, HGH)

1st offense: 36-month suspension, fine of 50-75% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: 48-month suspension, fine of 75-100% of fighter's purse
3rd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse

Tier 5: Avoiding testing/detection/urine sample not of human origin or not of tested athletes, Adulterants, Drugs (including diuretics) used as masking agents

1st offense: 48-month suspension, fine of 75% of fighter's purse
2nd offense: Lifetime suspension, fine of 100% of fighter's purse


http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/5/15/8612745/nevada-athletic-commission-massively-overhauls-drug-program-topped-by


So how does that work with legitimate medical use?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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