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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 11 2014 05:52 GMT
#481
Kawahi!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
November 11 2014 05:54 GMT
#482
Kawaii!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 11 2014 06:01 GMT
#483
Paul just pulled a Webber
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 11 2014 06:05 GMT
#484
Clippers have looked terrible in every game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
November 11 2014 10:48 GMT
#485
On November 11 2014 11:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 10:17 Xeris wrote:
Article on espn saying Davis may be a better player than LeBron one day... anyone read the article know if they're simply saying Davis will be the next best player in the league, or if he'll historically be considered a better player than LeBron?


Tonight, Anthony Davis and LeBron James will meet in Cleveland, when Davis' New Orleans Pelicans face James' Cleveland Cavaliers. That might not be the last time their paths intersect in the near future, and not only in terms of the return matchup Dec. 12 in the Big Easy.

As both players age, it's seemingly inevitable that Davis will catch James, possibly sooner rather than later.

(Gradual) Decline of the King

Of all the explanations posited for James' slow start in his return to Cleveland, from his offseason weight loss to a hidden injury, the simplest one is his age. James will be 30 on Dec. 30, putting him firmly beyond the peak age for an NBA star. In general, NBA players appear to peak statistically at age 27, although it's more accurate to describe a peak range between ages 25 and 29.

While stars play by a slightly different set of rules, they too are generally in decline by age 30. Here's how the 12 players with at least 150 career wins above replacement player who have entered the league since 1990 have aged on average, as a percentage of their best single-season rating:


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
This group peaked at age 28, and just two of the players (point guards Jason Kidd and Steve Nash) enjoyed their best season after age 29.

As important as the concept of peak age is, a single aging curve obscures some of the important details about the aging process. Really, there are two effects battling against each other. Players peak athletically before age 27, but they continue to add skills and experience throughout their career.

To try to quantify the distinction, I separated statistics that largely measure athleticism (offensive rebound percentage, steal percentage and block percentage) from those that primarily measure learned skills (shooting, turnover percentage and foul percentage). Among players with careers of 10 years or longer, here are the average aging curves for both types of stats, along with the combination of the two.


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
The graph shows that athleticism-based stats (blue) generally peak at the start of a player's career and trend downward over time. Meanwhile, players continue to improve their skills and experience (red) until late in their careers. The green line approximates the overall aging curve. Before age 27, players gain more skills and experience than they lose athleticism. After this point, the athleticism drain causes them to decline.

That's generally what we've seen with James. His improvement as a shooter, along with the selectivity playing with great teammates in Miami afforded him, allowed James to become more efficient than ever deep into his 20s. We'll likely see that continue with the Cavaliers once James is comfortable with his new teammates -- and, perhaps more importantly, as the younger ones improve at running the offense.

At the same time, James' waning athleticism has manifested itself in weaker defensive stats, particularly in terms of blocked shots, and fewer offensive rebounds. It became clear during the Heat's 2014 playoff run that James wasn't merely coasting during the regular season. He isn't the same athlete he once was, and he shouldn't be expected to be. We're at the point where James' gains in skills and experience are unlikely to entirely overcome this drop-off.

The rise of Davis

The same aging curve working against James continues to push Davis inexorably toward superstardom. At 21, the Pelicans' big man needn't yet worry about losing athleticism, and he seems to improve his skills by the day. Early in the season, Davis leads qualified players in PER and win percentage (the equivalent per-minute WARP rating); he is second in win shares per 48 minutes and box plus-minus.

Davis will have a tough time sustaining some of his early numbers, most notably a substantial uptick in his block percentage from last season's league-leading mark that can be traced to a nine-block season opener. Other improvements are likely to be more sustainable, such as his increased usage rate and a drop in turnover rate. We'll see where that leaves Davis relative to James and Kevin Durant in the NBA's hierarchy of stars, once Durant has returned from the fractured bone in his foot that has sidelined him.

It's now clearer than ever that, barring injury, Davis is on track to become the league's best player.

And that moment, which once seemed distant in the future, might already be within view. It's simply a matter of time -- and age.


Kinda amusing that if a player is off form for a few games at age 25 nobody says shit but a few games off form at 30 and suddenly hes aging and declining and what not.
FakePseudo
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium716 Posts
November 11 2014 14:34 GMT
#486
+ Show Spoiler +

"I was never upset about (the extension)," Leonard said. "I mean they explained to me what their deal is and why they didn’t do it yet. That’ll play out. I’m just here to play basketball and have fun and try to win another championship. If I think about that, then I’m not going to be the same player that I am and will be just out of it.

"I can’t be impatient. It would show on the floor, and I won’t compete if I’m thinking about getting the ball. I’m just going out there to do my role, the same role — defense first and then see how the ball turns out on the offensive end."

"I don’t think I’m going anywhere," Leonard said. "I mean they love me here. I like the organization, and if it was up to me, I want to finish out with one team like a lot of great players have done, to stay with one organization their whole career and just be loyal to that. You never know. We’ll see what happens next summer, but I’m pretty sure I’ll be in a Spurs jersey for my whole life."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2014/11/11/kawhi-leonard-free-agency-future-san-antonio-vs-los-angeles-clippers-gregg-popovich/18838947/
I am the 0.0007% /forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17208334|| Big Black Women Vocals Is Like Porn to my Ears ||San Antonio Spurs|Boston Celtics||#1EZToss Hater;
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 15:52:27
November 11 2014 15:16 GMT
#487
seems like an ordinary attitude tbh. only noteworthy in the culture of the nba.

this cavs offense though, pretty good. especially at drawing free throws
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 12 2014 02:10 GMT
#488
rofl dallas. love it
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 12 2014 03:19 GMT
#489
Kobe has the record!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
November 12 2014 04:21 GMT
#490
Since I'm sure others are similarly unaware of which record andrew is speaking:

Kobe Bryant led the Lakers (1-6) with 28 points, but shot 10 of 26 from the field and surpassed Boston Celtics great John Havlicek for the most missed field goals in an NBA career.

How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 12 2014 04:48 GMT
#491
Its like the Brett Favre interception record!

(salty salty Bears fan)
Freeeeeeedom
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 12 2014 04:51 GMT
#492
Byron Scott is the most obvious puppet coach I've seen in a while
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 12 2014 04:52 GMT
#493
On November 12 2014 13:51 Ace wrote:
Byron Scott is the most obvious puppet coach I've seen in a while


Nobody looks better glaring on the sideline than him.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 12 2014 04:53 GMT
#494
On November 12 2014 13:51 Ace wrote:
Byron Scott is the most obvious puppet coach I've seen in a while

I kind of figured it out once he said the shit about not taking 3s because 3s don't take championships.

It's not like the Heat/Spurs were built around getting a ton of 3s or anything
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 06:01:15
November 12 2014 05:09 GMT
#495
Harrison Barnes only plays well against the Spurs.

Geez, the Golden State turnovers are horrific. 19 turnovers in a game.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
November 12 2014 06:26 GMT
#496
Wait how the fuck did the Mavs and the Blazers come back to win today?
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 12 2014 09:22 GMT
#497
On November 12 2014 14:09 Jerubaal wrote:
Harrison Barnes only plays well against the Spurs.

Geez, the Golden State turnovers are horrific. 19 turnovers in a game.


That's actually pretty good for us... We're averaging like 23 a game this year -___-;;
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 12 2014 09:22 GMT
#498
On November 12 2014 13:51 Ace wrote:
Byron Scott is the most obvious puppet coach I've seen in a while


Keep getting them checks
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 12 2014 09:28 GMT
#499
And how good are the Raps going? Such a sneaky 7-1 start by them.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 12 2014 13:34 GMT
#500
On November 12 2014 14:09 Jerubaal wrote:
Harrison Barnes only plays well against the Spurs.

Geez, the Golden State turnovers are horrific. 19 turnovers in a game.


they're over 20% in turnover rate...it's freaken crazy
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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