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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 10 2014 16:33 GMT
#461
On November 10 2014 16:26 smr wrote:
I wake up and Hayward was leading the Jazz in points again. A few years ago I wasn't too interested in NBA and would hope Dirk wins because he's a cool guy but since Hayward streamed on TL I started to look up the Jazz's score every morning. So happy for him.


Instead of forcing Hayward to do everything, Utah got rid of Corbin, got somewhat competent ball handlers and Favors is finally dominating. Hurray, Hayward gets to play his natural role as a super athletic secondary ballhandler that picks his spots. Hope this level of play is his floor going forward.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 10 2014 18:17 GMT
#462
Love Hayward
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Tosstriss
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada334 Posts
November 10 2014 20:03 GMT
#463
https://vine.co/v/OeOdUDnQeYi This vine made me really happy.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-10 22:56:38
November 10 2014 22:13 GMT
#464
Rank:
Gordon Hayward: $45/3 years plus $16.5 player option in 2017. 24 years old.
Rudy Gay: $19/1 year. 28 years old
Chandler Parsons: $30/2years plus $16 player option in 2016. 26 years old

Edit: good call AgentW. I included contract values.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
November 10 2014 22:20 GMT
#465
As players? I'd take Gay, Hayward, Parsons. With contracts, I think I'd go Hayward, Parsons, Gay. But what do I know?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 10 2014 23:22 GMT
#466
Hayward, Parsons, Gay. If Rudy goes back to his old Memphis level I'd take him above Parsons. I think hayward can keep up his current level of play all year.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
usedtocare
Profile Joined August 2013
United States243 Posts
November 10 2014 23:49 GMT
#467
wtf people still think Gay is amazing?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 11 2014 00:05 GMT
#468
Just used boxscoregeeks comparison tool and they have Hayward playing SF instead of SG this year. That seems to be so far making a big difference.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 11 2014 00:59 GMT
#469
On November 11 2014 08:49 usedtocare wrote:
wtf people still think Gay is amazing?


What? None of these players are particularly special, re: "amazing." They're just similar swing men.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 01:12:19
November 11 2014 01:03 GMT
#470
On November 11 2014 08:49 usedtocare wrote:
wtf people still think Gay is amazing?

Hating Rudy Gay was so 2011-13. He's been a pretty damn good SF in Sacramento.

He's by no means elite (because of his defense - if he played defense like Paul George I'd argue he could be) or worth 19m, but he's a better scorer/utility man than Hayward and Parsons, right now. Also, I don't think there's a dramatic difference between having a 28yo and a 25yo, if you're locking them up for 4 years. These aren't NFL RBs.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 11 2014 01:17 GMT
#471
Article on espn saying Davis may be a better player than LeBron one day... anyone read the article know if they're simply saying Davis will be the next best player in the league, or if he'll historically be considered a better player than LeBron?
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 11 2014 02:21 GMT
#472
Haven't read it but they must be considering best in the league. Projecting him to be one of the best of all time is a serious stretch 3 years in.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 11 2014 02:34 GMT
#473
On November 11 2014 10:17 Xeris wrote:
Article on espn saying Davis may be a better player than LeBron one day... anyone read the article know if they're simply saying Davis will be the next best player in the league, or if he'll historically be considered a better player than LeBron?


Tonight, Anthony Davis and LeBron James will meet in Cleveland, when Davis' New Orleans Pelicans face James' Cleveland Cavaliers. That might not be the last time their paths intersect in the near future, and not only in terms of the return matchup Dec. 12 in the Big Easy.

As both players age, it's seemingly inevitable that Davis will catch James, possibly sooner rather than later.

(Gradual) Decline of the King

Of all the explanations posited for James' slow start in his return to Cleveland, from his offseason weight loss to a hidden injury, the simplest one is his age. James will be 30 on Dec. 30, putting him firmly beyond the peak age for an NBA star. In general, NBA players appear to peak statistically at age 27, although it's more accurate to describe a peak range between ages 25 and 29.

While stars play by a slightly different set of rules, they too are generally in decline by age 30. Here's how the 12 players with at least 150 career wins above replacement player who have entered the league since 1990 have aged on average, as a percentage of their best single-season rating:


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
This group peaked at age 28, and just two of the players (point guards Jason Kidd and Steve Nash) enjoyed their best season after age 29.

As important as the concept of peak age is, a single aging curve obscures some of the important details about the aging process. Really, there are two effects battling against each other. Players peak athletically before age 27, but they continue to add skills and experience throughout their career.

To try to quantify the distinction, I separated statistics that largely measure athleticism (offensive rebound percentage, steal percentage and block percentage) from those that primarily measure learned skills (shooting, turnover percentage and foul percentage). Among players with careers of 10 years or longer, here are the average aging curves for both types of stats, along with the combination of the two.


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
The graph shows that athleticism-based stats (blue) generally peak at the start of a player's career and trend downward over time. Meanwhile, players continue to improve their skills and experience (red) until late in their careers. The green line approximates the overall aging curve. Before age 27, players gain more skills and experience than they lose athleticism. After this point, the athleticism drain causes them to decline.

That's generally what we've seen with James. His improvement as a shooter, along with the selectivity playing with great teammates in Miami afforded him, allowed James to become more efficient than ever deep into his 20s. We'll likely see that continue with the Cavaliers once James is comfortable with his new teammates -- and, perhaps more importantly, as the younger ones improve at running the offense.

At the same time, James' waning athleticism has manifested itself in weaker defensive stats, particularly in terms of blocked shots, and fewer offensive rebounds. It became clear during the Heat's 2014 playoff run that James wasn't merely coasting during the regular season. He isn't the same athlete he once was, and he shouldn't be expected to be. We're at the point where James' gains in skills and experience are unlikely to entirely overcome this drop-off.

The rise of Davis

The same aging curve working against James continues to push Davis inexorably toward superstardom. At 21, the Pelicans' big man needn't yet worry about losing athleticism, and he seems to improve his skills by the day. Early in the season, Davis leads qualified players in PER and win percentage (the equivalent per-minute WARP rating); he is second in win shares per 48 minutes and box plus-minus.

Davis will have a tough time sustaining some of his early numbers, most notably a substantial uptick in his block percentage from last season's league-leading mark that can be traced to a nine-block season opener. Other improvements are likely to be more sustainable, such as his increased usage rate and a drop in turnover rate. We'll see where that leaves Davis relative to James and Kevin Durant in the NBA's hierarchy of stars, once Durant has returned from the fractured bone in his foot that has sidelined him.

It's now clearer than ever that, barring injury, Davis is on track to become the league's best player.

And that moment, which once seemed distant in the future, might already be within view. It's simply a matter of time -- and age.
Remember Violet.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 02:42:20
November 11 2014 02:41 GMT
#474
hayward also has a hot wive. but agreed, he's the only likable player for me on the jazz, hope he does well

davis needs to be nerfed, he's like an 8 cat monster, every aspect is elite except for threes. probably needs post up game. but boy...the kid is a monster
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 11 2014 03:02 GMT
#475
Davis will be better than T Wolves Garnett IMO.

He's that good.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
November 11 2014 03:11 GMT
#476
Just saw Josh Smith take a contested three in a four point game with 2mins to go and 12 on the shot clock.

Not even a Pistons fan and I yelled at my PC screen.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 03:25:59
November 11 2014 03:25 GMT
#477
On November 11 2014 11:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 11 2014 10:17 Xeris wrote:
Article on espn saying Davis may be a better player than LeBron one day... anyone read the article know if they're simply saying Davis will be the next best player in the league, or if he'll historically be considered a better player than LeBron?


Tonight, Anthony Davis and LeBron James will meet in Cleveland, when Davis' New Orleans Pelicans face James' Cleveland Cavaliers. That might not be the last time their paths intersect in the near future, and not only in terms of the return matchup Dec. 12 in the Big Easy.

As both players age, it's seemingly inevitable that Davis will catch James, possibly sooner rather than later.

(Gradual) Decline of the King

Of all the explanations posited for James' slow start in his return to Cleveland, from his offseason weight loss to a hidden injury, the simplest one is his age. James will be 30 on Dec. 30, putting him firmly beyond the peak age for an NBA star. In general, NBA players appear to peak statistically at age 27, although it's more accurate to describe a peak range between ages 25 and 29.

While stars play by a slightly different set of rules, they too are generally in decline by age 30. Here's how the 12 players with at least 150 career wins above replacement player who have entered the league since 1990 have aged on average, as a percentage of their best single-season rating:


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
This group peaked at age 28, and just two of the players (point guards Jason Kidd and Steve Nash) enjoyed their best season after age 29.

As important as the concept of peak age is, a single aging curve obscures some of the important details about the aging process. Really, there are two effects battling against each other. Players peak athletically before age 27, but they continue to add skills and experience throughout their career.

To try to quantify the distinction, I separated statistics that largely measure athleticism (offensive rebound percentage, steal percentage and block percentage) from those that primarily measure learned skills (shooting, turnover percentage and foul percentage). Among players with careers of 10 years or longer, here are the average aging curves for both types of stats, along with the combination of the two.


Kevin Pelton/ESPN.com
The graph shows that athleticism-based stats (blue) generally peak at the start of a player's career and trend downward over time. Meanwhile, players continue to improve their skills and experience (red) until late in their careers. The green line approximates the overall aging curve. Before age 27, players gain more skills and experience than they lose athleticism. After this point, the athleticism drain causes them to decline.

That's generally what we've seen with James. His improvement as a shooter, along with the selectivity playing with great teammates in Miami afforded him, allowed James to become more efficient than ever deep into his 20s. We'll likely see that continue with the Cavaliers once James is comfortable with his new teammates -- and, perhaps more importantly, as the younger ones improve at running the offense.

At the same time, James' waning athleticism has manifested itself in weaker defensive stats, particularly in terms of blocked shots, and fewer offensive rebounds. It became clear during the Heat's 2014 playoff run that James wasn't merely coasting during the regular season. He isn't the same athlete he once was, and he shouldn't be expected to be. We're at the point where James' gains in skills and experience are unlikely to entirely overcome this drop-off.

The rise of Davis

The same aging curve working against James continues to push Davis inexorably toward superstardom. At 21, the Pelicans' big man needn't yet worry about losing athleticism, and he seems to improve his skills by the day. Early in the season, Davis leads qualified players in PER and win percentage (the equivalent per-minute WARP rating); he is second in win shares per 48 minutes and box plus-minus.

Davis will have a tough time sustaining some of his early numbers, most notably a substantial uptick in his block percentage from last season's league-leading mark that can be traced to a nine-block season opener. Other improvements are likely to be more sustainable, such as his increased usage rate and a drop in turnover rate. We'll see where that leaves Davis relative to James and Kevin Durant in the NBA's hierarchy of stars, once Durant has returned from the fractured bone in his foot that has sidelined him.

It's now clearer than ever that, barring injury, Davis is on track to become the league's best player.

And that moment, which once seemed distant in the future, might already be within view. It's simply a matter of time -- and age.


Wonder if Lebron read this article before tonight's game.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 11 2014 04:38 GMT
#478
On November 11 2014 12:11 RowdierBob wrote:
Just saw Josh Smith take a contested three in a four point game with 2mins to go and 12 on the shot clock.

Not even a Pistons fan and I yelled at my PC screen.


I feel like Josh Smith gets trashed so hard that he became underrated.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 11 2014 04:42 GMT
#479
Kobe, Melo, and Smith are sporting some Iverson level shooting numbers. Shit is disgusting.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 11 2014 04:52 GMT
#480
I don't appreciate the insinuation about Iversonian shooting.

Although in Kobe and Melo's cases there are some strong parallels to Iverson regarding team construction necessitating high volume gunning.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
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