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Read this also, the middle part is key: http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/james-harden-selfish
They are worth 30-40 per on on court value alone. Their off court value well exceeds the paltry $10 million left to make up the difference. Since NBA contracts take that into account I thought the obvious math didn't need to be mentioned. I don't even know how mentioning 38 players shouldn't be paid at all helps your argument. Are you actually comprehending what these valuations are?
So thanks for proving my point while arguing with me for no reason at all. You literally said 50 million, I said that was too high. Then your sources said it is too high. Also your sources say even elite players like Davis are worth ~the max salary, meaning a huge number of players earning it are not delivering excess value (my other point).
I'm convinced you're just not understanding what you read or purposely just bsing. The article never comments on Davis being worth the max salary: it strictly talks about redistributing the wealth (BRI for players) based on Win Shares. How you jump to the conclusion this means several players are not producing excess value of a max contract is beyond me. The article even says:
Based on these calculations, Kevin Durant should be making 105 percent more than he is making right now and LeBron should be making more than $10 million more. This graph also shows you the value of rookie contracts.
Which is what I've been saying about superstars being underpaid even while on a max contract. You can quibble about whether it's $50 million or not and it's plain as day that you'd be wrong. If Lebron is worth even only 30 million max in on court production the excess $20 mil in value he'd need to makeup for the contract is trivial. You really think franchise values and TV contracts in the billions aren't being driven by these stars? You can't be this naive about how the NBA works.
ETA: The only on court thing I forgot to talk about is the NBA playoffs which sky rockets their values even higher. Teams make millions for home playoff games at pure profit because players are playing "for free". They actually get a per diem and playoff pay but it's nothing compared to their contracts. NBA player contracts aren't paid for then. So getting a star in a playoff game at home is just free candy.
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a no brainer to me, just hope he is provided with the tools to succeed in china
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Would players be really against a policy of playing at least 2-3 years of university or college in order to be eligible for the draft, instead of this just being "at least 19 and one year removed from high school".
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Jalen Rose Report eh?
Of course players would be against it. It's another year of suffering through making peanuts, family still struggling, while university exploits your value for loads of money that you won't see a dime from.
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Most of these players actually have sports scholarships, seriously you really think half of these players got in because of academic ability?
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That's not the point. If they're going to be playing pro basketball anyway then the value of a year of college is worthless.
if you're confused about where the "loads of money" is coming from, it's from ticket/TV sales to games, not college tuition.
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Lebron giving away cupcakes to neighbors apologizing for the noise rofl
Season tickets wouldve been better
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the ncaa game only needs nba level players if it is seen as a commercially viable enterprise. (same goes for ncaa football) by their own student athlete model, a guy on the fencing team is about as good as cam newton but obviously that's just misrepresenting the true agenda.
just let college programs run with second tier talent and maybe the occasional guy who wants to go to school for more seasoning (though this is just mythology) or whatever. they don't have this divine right to be commercially viable/competitively interesting
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On July 23 2014 16:41 Disregard wrote:
Most of these players actually have sports scholarships, seriously you really think half of these players got in because of academic ability?
The student athletes get about 40k worth of freshman tuition/dorm/food/stipend, meanwhile the university makes millions (I'd even go tens of millions if they go deep in the NCAA tournament) from the athlete playing ball for them. The university doesn't share any of that money with their athletes. Meanwhile, the athlete is stuck scraping by in university, generating millions for their university, throwing away potential years earning money in the NBA.
Edit: In case anyone is interested: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/03/17/college-basketballs-most-valuable-teams-2014-louisville-cardinals-on-top-again/
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Ncaa is one of the worlds most exploitative organisations. Can't believe it's encouraged too.
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On July 23 2014 16:55 icystorage wrote:Lebron giving away cupcakes to neighbors apologizing for the noise rofl Season tickets wouldve been better
Somehow i think the people in his neighborhood already have season tickets/box seats. 
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On July 23 2014 16:21 Disregard wrote:
Would players be really against a policy of playing at least 2-3 years of university or college in order to be eligible for the draft, instead of this just being "at least 19 and one year removed from high school".
the players will agree to this (because it doesnt affect them at all) if the owners give them something in return. which is funny because they're trading the futures of the people who arent even in the NBA yet for their own benefit. of course, once they do reach the NBA, it'll benefit them too but they wont see it that way.
honestly i dont even know how these age rules are even legal. isnt it age discrimination? i guess its usually for old age?
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On July 23 2014 23:22 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 16:21 Disregard wrote:
Would players be really against a policy of playing at least 2-3 years of university or college in order to be eligible for the draft, instead of this just being "at least 19 and one year removed from high school". the players will agree to this (because it doesnt affect them at all) if the owners give them something in return. which is funny because they're trading the futures of the people who arent even in the NBA yet for their own benefit. of course, once they do reach the NBA, it'll benefit them too but they wont see it that way. honestly i dont even know how these age rules are even legal. isnt it age discrimination? i guess its usually for old age?
The NBA can set any (well not literally, but close) rules it wants as long as the union collectively agrees to them. Hopefully the NCAA loses the lawsuits it's facing and we can stop having the highest paid public employee in nearly every state be either the state university's basketball or football coach.
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My god. These rookies in summer league today have nothing on Kobe. His skill at that age is just crazy.
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It is pretty crazy how developed his game already looked at that age considering he hadn't played any college ball. I was impressed not just by his skill level, but at how aggressive and assertive he was on offense even then.
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Kobe's something special indeed. It's funny how well you can recognize him (the moves, the posture, the strokes) even in an unknown setting, on old footage, and with 20 less years :D
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On July 24 2014 06:51 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
It is pretty crazy how developed his game already looked at that age considering he hadn't played any college ball. I was impressed not just by his skill level, but at how aggressive and assertive he was on offense even then.
I agree and would also add 'patient' to that list.
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I really can't take anyone's opinions on the NCAA seriously. You're not arguing about fairness, you just want your piece of the pie. You don't think it's fair? Shut the fucker down. Stop giving athletes who could barely pass high school scholarships.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
made the mistake of listening to klosterman with simmons. why is this guy even a thing.
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On July 23 2014 17:14 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 16:41 Disregard wrote:
Most of these players actually have sports scholarships, seriously you really think half of these players got in because of academic ability? The student athletes get about 40k worth of freshman tuition/dorm/food/stipend, meanwhile the university makes millions (I'd even go tens of millions if they go deep in the NCAA tournament) from the athlete playing ball for them. The university doesn't share any of that money with their athletes. Meanwhile, the athlete is stuck scraping by in university, generating millions for their university, throwing away potential years earning money in the NBA. Edit: In case anyone is interested: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/03/17/college-basketballs-most-valuable-teams-2014-louisville-cardinals-on-top-again/
It really isn't worth 40k at all. Barely anybody outside the upper class actually pays full tuition. Not to mention that the time commitment for the revenue sports is around 40-60 hours a week. Barely any time to study and the coaches control their scholarships so they can't take classes that interfere with practice.
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