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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 28 2014 23:30 GMT
#221
Well, that is only because the Union exists. No Union = No CBA = Free Market (Or quickly lose an antitrust suit for billions of dollars) = Lebron makes $40 + million a season. The difference, or course, is then Derrick FIsher in year 300 doesnt make 2 million, he makes the $10/hr he is worth.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 28 2014 23:50 GMT
#222
a bit rich to suggest there'll be free market without the nba union given the obvious collusion and if not that, monopsony in the nba. the cba will still be there in some form except it probably won't be sanctified by the courts because too one sided.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
June 28 2014 23:59 GMT
#223
It wouldn't be a monopsony if there are 30 teams in the marketplace bidding on the same talent. It is the nature of unions to leverage the talent of their best members for the benefits of the greater membership, specifically its longest tenured member, it's standard. Unions are not "Free Market" by definition.

Of course, that doesn't mean the NBA players association (or any union) is an inherently bad thing - the salary cap depresses player's values more than the existence of the union itself.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 00:04:39
June 29 2014 00:04 GMT
#224
it is still a simulated market with close ties between owners and the owners are pretty keenly aware of the need to control labor cost. let's be serious here, there's a good case to be made for seeing the league as one entity when it comes to making the rules governing player contracts. collusion? i'm sorry but the parts discovered is only inelegantly carried out.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 00:06:53
June 29 2014 00:06 GMT
#225
On June 29 2014 08:50 oneofthem wrote:
a bit rich to suggest there'll be free market without the nba union given the obvious collusion and if not that, monopsony in the nba. the cba will still be there in some form except it probably won't be sanctified by the courts because too one sided.


The only reason that the NBA is currently not being litigated from all sides with antitrust suits is the union protection. Collusion is illegal, and has been proven in court against other sports leagues. Its also all the more easy to discover in the modern electronic age... unless you are a government agency that loses emails...
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 29 2014 00:08 GMT
#226
yea their trust status is dependent on the union existing, but let's also have some perspective on what the interests for where the interests of owners lie. whatever form the league takes, it'll be a limited number of franchises, and the owners will always want to control labor cost. so they are not angels of le free market by any means.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 00:20:32
June 29 2014 00:11 GMT
#227
No, they aren't, because they want a union so they can legally collude. They just prefer it being weak (it is) over strong (baseball).

You have to remember that the NBA marketplace, without a union, is actually a very competitive marketplace compared to other industries like the Auto or Airline industries (fields very associated with unionized membership). In those traditional industries, there are few employers and most labor is highly replaceable/interchangeable (and in the heydey of those industries, government regulation also prevented a lot of competition from new entrants). Basketball is basically the opposite, there are 30 competing employers for a few, highly skilled and non-interchangeable employees. Additionally, the cost of entry, while high to us, is still relatively low (considering potential revenues) because the owners cannot carve out the fiefdoms they currently have without the protections I talked about earlier.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 29 2014 00:15 GMT
#228
well i am just making the point that even without the union as it now exists, it's still not a free market because etc etc.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
June 29 2014 04:31 GMT
#229
While you guys are discussing semantics of the union, Jason Kidd is almost president of basketball operations for the Bucks.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 08:57:57
June 29 2014 08:57 GMT
#230
Terrible move by the Bucks if they do that.

If it does happen I hope Kidd is committed to their rebuild and not stifling Giannis and Parker by giving their minutes to journeymen vets. The Bucks need to suck and develop their young guys for a good 2-3 years and keep adding pieces through the draft. If Kidd comes in and starts trying to 'win now' it'd be a disaster for the Bucks.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 29 2014 14:21 GMT
#231
On June 29 2014 17:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Terrible move by the Bucks if they do that.

If it does happen I hope Kidd is committed to their rebuild and not stifling Giannis and Parker by giving their minutes to journeymen vets. The Bucks need to suck and develop their young guys for a good 2-3 years and keep adding pieces through the draft. If Kidd comes in and starts trying to 'win now' it'd be a disaster for the Bucks.


replace bucks with pelicans and kidd with BENSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
Remember Violet.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 29 2014 14:27 GMT
#232
i have no idea how the kidd thing escalated so quickly...he wasn't even that successful as a coach...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 29 2014 15:43 GMT
#233
i think the only thing wrong with the bucks is brandon knight, they have a lot of solid pieces otherwise and should contend very soon even with the terrible ersan contract which may still justify itself depending on how they do this year.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 29 2014 15:50 GMT
#234
On June 30 2014 00:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think the only thing wrong with the bucks is brandon knight, they have a lot of solid pieces otherwise and should contend very soon even with the terrible ersan contract which may still justify itself depending on how they do this year.

Larry Sanders is a crazy person. That's an issue.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 16:00:31
June 29 2014 15:54 GMT
#235
On June 29 2014 13:31 seiferoth10 wrote:
While you guys are discussing semantics of the union, Jason Kidd is almost president of basketball operations for the Bucks.

Kidd made a failed coup to Brooklyn's Russian ownership to usurp the power of Nets general manager Billy King – and failed spectacularly. The Nets and Bucks are discussing compensation for Milwaukee hiring Kidd away, which will likely include second-round draft picks, sources told Yahoo Sports.

"The Russians are done with Kidd," one high-ranking league source told Yahoo Sports on Saturday night.


Ahahahah


Also a spectacular shut down in the comments section of PBT.

cantonbound13 - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM
How many all stars does LeBron need to team up with to win a ring? Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5….
#FAKELEGACY

casualcommenter - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM
“How many All-Stars does LeBron need to team up with to win a ring? Not 2.”

Actually, the answer is 2.
LeBron was playing with 2 fellow All-Stars when he won both of his rings in 2012 and 2013, so it’s no longer a debatable question. The answer is 2.

Coincidentally, 2 All-Stars is the number of All-Stars Larry Bird and Magic Johnson each played with for much of their primes….

cantonbound13 - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:50 PM
Those legends didn’t leave their team to join an all star that already lead a team to a championship (Wade). Big difference!


antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 10:05 PM
@cantonbound13 – Actually, that’s exactly what Magic did. “The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers.” If the Bulls won the coin toss for the #1 pick Magic said he would’ve stayed in school.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
June 29 2014 16:00 GMT
#236
The Woj piece on it is stunning. I'm not sure the continent is big enough for Kidd's ego.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 29 2014 17:36 GMT
#237
On June 30 2014 00:54 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 13:31 seiferoth10 wrote:
While you guys are discussing semantics of the union, Jason Kidd is almost president of basketball operations for the Bucks.

Show nested quote +
Kidd made a failed coup to Brooklyn's Russian ownership to usurp the power of Nets general manager Billy King – and failed spectacularly. The Nets and Bucks are discussing compensation for Milwaukee hiring Kidd away, which will likely include second-round draft picks, sources told Yahoo Sports.

"The Russians are done with Kidd," one high-ranking league source told Yahoo Sports on Saturday night.


Ahahahah


Also a spectacular shut down in the comments section of PBT.

Show nested quote +
cantonbound13 - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM
How many all stars does LeBron need to team up with to win a ring? Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5….
#FAKELEGACY

Show nested quote +
casualcommenter - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM
“How many All-Stars does LeBron need to team up with to win a ring? Not 2.”

Actually, the answer is 2.
LeBron was playing with 2 fellow All-Stars when he won both of his rings in 2012 and 2013, so it’s no longer a debatable question. The answer is 2.

Coincidentally, 2 All-Stars is the number of All-Stars Larry Bird and Magic Johnson each played with for much of their primes….

Show nested quote +
cantonbound13 - Jun 28, 2014 at 9:50 PM
Those legends didn’t leave their team to join an all star that already lead a team to a championship (Wade). Big difference!

Show nested quote +

antistratfordian - Jun 28, 2014 at 10:05 PM
@cantonbound13 – Actually, that’s exactly what Magic did. “The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers.” If the Bulls won the coin toss for the #1 pick Magic said he would’ve stayed in school.

What is pbt? Also, the reality is all star means very little, the argument about the decision is Wade was arguably the 2 best player at the time (inarguably second best in the east), so the perception was that Lebron did not want the challenge of beating a rival. Also the "decision" should be mocked whenever possible facts be dammed, that shit was ridiculous.
Freeeeeeedom
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 29 2014 17:39 GMT
#238
On June 30 2014 00:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 00:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think the only thing wrong with the bucks is brandon knight, they have a lot of solid pieces otherwise and should contend very soon even with the terrible ersan contract which may still justify itself depending on how they do this year.

Larry Sanders is a crazy person. That's an issue.


Honestly I think it was just a bunch of unfortunate situations piled up, the dude was out celebrating a contract and some asshole threw a bottle at him. The injury was unfortunate but it also gave henson valuable playing time and he became a beast.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 29 2014 19:54 GMT
#239
He left that poor doge outside though.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 29 2014 20:16 GMT
#240
ok he's kinda fucked up
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