EPT'14-'15 NHL SEASON - Can Carlyle Win? CORSI CAN'T! - Page 25
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GolemMadness
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JimmyJRaynor
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looks like Eller is a "character guy"... in the eyes of montreal management.  it is now interesting to compare the predictions in the piece i posted by MacMillan and the reality of the signing. On July 25 2014 09:20 StarStruck wrote: that doesn't change the fact the media circus around here is one of the wildest in North America even if you have to resort to that. It's still a cop-out and acts as a blanket. Heck, you even mentioned how some of them got slapped on the wrist for calling out certain players yet Don Cherry is still Don Cherry and Greg Zaun has gone on record saying he doesn't regret anything he said and that's just CNIC and Sportsnet. What you said about the media is a sweeping generalization and can apply to any news story we receive. i think we're arguing about different issues. Burke's biggest disputes were with independent journalists... the Star guy talking to Reimer's mom and Cherry. Burke basically got a nice soft ride with TSN and Sportsnet...including the martyr piece he did with TSN after he got canned. i'm still cleaning the tear stains from my mousepad after watching that gut-wrenching all-truth no fluff interview. No one at TSN or SportsNet has ever gone after a leaf head coach the way Mccown and Simmons went after Gaston... and they never will.. they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. of course this is only a hockey team... so if a major portion of Canadian media show a bias in favour of the Leafs who really cares. its not like little boys are being molested in the bowels of the ACC and its being covered up... now something like that would never happen at a hockey arena owned by the Leafs.. now would it | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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On July 25 2014 09:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: looks like Lars Eller and hte Canadiens avoided arbitration at the last second... http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11260637/montreal-canadiens-agree-4-year-deal-lars-eller I love Eller but I just don't see how he is worth 3.5? Especially for 4 years. He did great in the playoffs and I think he can produce consistently eventually if you put him on the right line. But 3.5 mill for a player who had 26 points and was -15 in reg season is just not right imo. Hopefully he can play like he did at the start of the season and in the playoffs consistently and Therrien puts him on a line he can succeed with, if those two things happen then he will def be worth the money but both are big IF's. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On July 25 2014 09:57 GolemMadness wrote: I hope that Detroit signs Cleary again next year just so we can get another 20 posts from Sub40APM complaining about it. Gotta post about something, Canucks arent going to make it in the playoffs again so no city burning bandwagoners to make fun of. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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JimmyJRaynor
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On July 23 2014 06:59 EiBmoZ wrote: I just don't think it's fair to compare Lindros, with LaFontaine, or Crosby. Those two were hurt with elbows to the head by minor league players, players that shouldn't even be in the NHL. Lindros fucked up his own career, you can get away with looking at the puck in JR but when you hit the NHL there's a whole slew of players that'll line up to take your head off if it isn't up. Lafontaine's 2 earliest biggest concussions were at the hands of James Patrick and Mats Sundin. this is just so sad man... so sad... the DR rounds him up and manages to talk him into getting back out onto the ice..... and this is why i love Ted Nolan.... the only guy with the balls to stand up to the NHL and its bullshit. after hearing this speech from Lafontaine...i tell ya... . can we stick Lafontaine in the Hall of Fame a 2nd time so that he could make this speech as his induction speech ? | ||
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GolemMadness
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On July 25 2014 10:40 Sub40APM wrote: Gotta post about something, Canucks arent going to make it in the playoffs again so no city burning bandwagoners to make fun of. You've used that same retort like four times already. Good stuff. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On July 25 2014 16:25 GolemMadness wrote: You've used that same retort like four times already. Good stuff. What am I supposed to do, even you jumped off the Canuck bandwagon sometime in the Winter and turned on Gillis finally. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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AAV 2.3 million. and of course we have to have a press conference when the leafs sign their back up goalie. that is on Monday | ||
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Tephus
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GolemMadness
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On July 26 2014 03:55 Sub40APM wrote: What am I supposed to do, even you jumped off the Canuck bandwagon sometime in the Winter and turned on Gillis finally. ...Bandwagon? I live in Vancouver. I've been a fan the entire time I've watched hockey, including now. Gillis was bad for the team, so obviously I wanted him gone. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17199 Posts
the New York Rangers are a terrible hockey team... the LotV beta starts in November.. and PK Subban officially endorses the Lars Eller deal. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/subban-stays-quiet-on-contract-negotiations/ Subban is dealing with these negotiations in a proper manner... by remaining quiet. SportsNet does everything they can to stir up dirt though by describing Subban's non-answers as "remaining coy". what a bunch of smear artists... Subban did yoemen's work during the lock out for SportsNet and then they do this crap... what a bunch of sleazebuckets. | ||
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Tephus
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In other news, I think this is pretty interesting: http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=458077 | ||
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Sub40APM
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On July 28 2014 03:56 Tephus wrote: JimmyJ banned again, we can have reasonable conversations for two weeks! In other news, I think this is pretty interesting: http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=458077 Comment section on that thread: Unions exploiting young players for profit, bad. Businesses exploiting young people for profit, good. | ||
Jer99
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iCanada
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On July 28 2014 04:22 Sub40APM wrote: Comment section on that thread: Unions exploiting young players for profit, bad. Businesses exploiting young people for profit, good. The CHL doesn't exploit kids. The CHL does not need to compensate these kids any more than it already does financially. I guarantee you, for every CHL player there are 200 other guys who would literally pay to have that roster spot. The 50 bucks per week is mostly to just keep the kids out of trouble. CHL's compensation to its players for work isn't financial, it is experience, exposure, development time with elite level coaches and elite level players. I guarantee you CHL players don't give a rats ass about how much they get paid. I dont even thinks its up for debate. You find me one kid who was unhappy with his Junior hockey experience that wasn't the victim of some sick fuck's crimes, and maybe I'll consider it a debate. The CHL treats its players very well and this whole ploy is just a union company with no clients trying to get its name out there. | ||
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Sub40APM
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If their profits are X and the salaries of the main product -- the players -- receives a tiny fraction of X then there is at least a case that they are being exploited. I guarantee you, for every CHL player there are 200 other guys who would literally pay to have that roster spot. The 50 bucks per week is mostly to just keep the kids out of trouble. Yes. People will frequently stomp over each other to get a job they really want. CHL's compensation to its players for work isn't financial, it is experience, exposure, development time with elite level coaches and elite level players. I guarantee you CHL players don't give a rats ass about how much they get paid. Of course they dont, most young people are easy to exploit by promises of an exciting future. But since they are the on ice product that actually gets people in the seats maybe they should get a bigger share of those tickets. Anyway just a thought -- everything you said easily applies to any professional sport on any level. People will kill for a chance to play, the exposure is huge, elite training etc. But at the end of the day the question is: To whom does the income generated by a sports team belong? Historically owners have always declared that it always belongs to them and there is definitely sympathy for that view, look at the Oilers fans, zombiefied slaves chucking their oil dollars down the drain for memories that are now what, 30 years old? They do it for the franchise, not the individual player. And the smart franchises leverage their fame to expand beyond their local market to a national levels which brings in more money. On the other hand, no one is paying 200 bucks a night to stare at some middle aged white guys sweating a bit too much in their suits either. | ||
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Blisse
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On July 28 2014 05:02 Jer99 wrote: welp GG leafs won't be seeing you in the playoffs believe in the heart of the leafsssss  can SOME blue team pls win the cup | ||
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iCanada
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On July 28 2014 09:35 Sub40APM wrote: If their profits are X and the salaries of the main product -- the players -- receives a tiny fraction of X then there is at least a case that they are being exploited. Yes. People will frequently stomp over each other to get a job they really want. Of course they dont, most young people are easy to exploit by promises of an exciting future. But since they are the on ice product that actually gets people in the seats maybe they should get a bigger share of those tickets. Anyway just a thought -- everything you said easily applies to any professional sport on any level. People will kill for a chance to play, the exposure is huge, elite training etc. But at the end of the day the question is: To whom does the income generated by a sports team belong? Historically owners have always declared that it always belongs to them and there is definitely sympathy for that view, look at the Oilers fans, zombiefied slaves chucking their oil dollars down the drain for memories that are now what, 30 years old? They do it for the franchise, not the individual player. And the smart franchises leverage their fame to expand beyond their local market to a national levels which brings in more money. On the other hand, no one is paying 200 bucks a night to stare at some middle aged white guys sweating a bit too much in their suits either. Look at it this way, if a uynion comes in and they have to start paying kids 10k or more a year to play in the CHL, they flat out wont be a CHL. Only the Edmontons, Torontos, Vancouvers of the CHL would exist. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On July 28 2014 09:47 iCanada wrote: Look at it this way, if a uynion comes in and they have to start paying kids 10k or more a year to play in the CHL, they flat out wont be a CHL. Only the Edmontons, Torontos, Vancouvers of the CHL would exist. I agree that if a union forces some kind of brutal 99% of income to players it will be dumb, but I am curious to see what the CHL's finances actually are. Arent you? Again, personally I am skeptical of owners claims that they are running charities and that its all for the players and I am skeptical of the union claims of outright exploitation. But I did find it funny that when you throw in the U word everyone is 100% sure the unions are wrong and greedy but never the blessed owner or the league. And more generally like I wrote out above, to me personally the business of sport is pretty fascinating. Time and time again we have seen private businessmen leverage the cache of team ownership to rape the tax payers -- Detroit being the latest -- if not outright steal the team from under the fans -- hello Supersonics! Ideally I'd love to see all North American sports team go the style of the German football team, but that will probably be way too communitarian for red blooded Americans and Albertines. A | ||
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