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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 30 2014 22:02 GMT
#521
On July 30 2014 23:05 QuanticHawk wrote:
Well see when the season comes.

Leafs got Gardiner, 5yr/20m. Pretty good deal.

Also, Subban's arbitration numbers came out. He's only asking $8.5. The Habs submitted... 5.25. lol. 8.5 is low if it's long term. He's got two years RFA left, so they'd be buying those. 8-8.5 in just 4-5 years is going to be undervalued for a top dman.

Montreal is fucking retarded. They don't deserve Subban. I hope he leaves them.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 30 2014 22:46 GMT
#522
5.25 for one year? lol.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
July 30 2014 23:49 GMT
#523
On July 31 2014 07:46 Sub40APM wrote:
5.25 for one year? lol.

It's just like when they offered Eller a low ball amount, in case it does go to arbitration they want the numbers to look low to help their case etc.

I'm betting Montreal wants to sign him for 7.5 -8 million. Subban will most likely end up with what he wants though at 8.5.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 31 2014 04:41 GMT
#524
I'm so hype for this. Sharks might not disappoint me like they do all the time this year /sarcasm
User was warned for too many mimes.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 31 2014 04:57 GMT
#525
On July 31 2014 13:41 docvoc wrote:
I'm so hype for this. Sharks might not disappoint me like they do all the time this year /sarcasm

They'll start off hot, and then by February, you'll realize that you've been duped and start reaching for your handgun.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
July 31 2014 06:04 GMT
#526
Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
July 31 2014 06:15 GMT
#527
On July 31 2014 08:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 07:46 Sub40APM wrote:
5.25 for one year? lol.

It's just like when they offered Eller a low ball amount, in case it does go to arbitration they want the numbers to look low to help their case etc.

I'm betting Montreal wants to sign him for 7.5 -8 million. Subban will most likely end up with what he wants though at 8.5.

yeah the team goes low and the player goes high for arbitration but both those numbers are whack. subban's agent should be aming to get in the 8's, and 5.25 is insultingly low
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 31 2014 07:07 GMT
#528
On July 31 2014 15:04 Blisse wrote:
Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense.


Weber on Nashville is the first that comes to mind.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 07:13:07
July 31 2014 07:12 GMT
#529
On July 31 2014 16:07 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 15:04 Blisse wrote:
Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense.


Weber on Nashville is the first that comes to mind.

Karlson, Hedman, Kronwall, Shattenkirk when he was in Colorado, Erhoff when he was at the Sabers
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 31 2014 14:38 GMT
#530
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8845 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 15:02:30
July 31 2014 15:00 GMT
#531
On July 31 2014 23:38 JimmiC wrote:
Giordano on the flames


That's a good one. Would Bogosian count? I've always like him. John Carlson?

edit: Actually screw that. Neither of those guys are all that shit-tastic-great.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 17:47:33
July 31 2014 17:17 GMT
#532
But its always hard to tell how great a defender is on a shit team, if you think about the hours Sutter is logging in the Wild it looks like he was as important to the Preds as Webber is even though prior to the move everyone just assumed he was carried by Webber.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 31 2014 17:37 GMT
#533
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L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
July 31 2014 17:58 GMT
#534
Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5

Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.

I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.

But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 21:43:21
July 31 2014 21:42 GMT
#535
On August 01 2014 02:58 L1ghtning wrote:
Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5

Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.

I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.

But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever.



if hes gonna get 8.5 for the next 8 years Im pretty sure he will be underpaid in years 5-6-7-8 because the cap is always rising (until the next lockout).

I think this guy will be worth every penny mtl will pay him unless he gets injured.

He will also get better with time, hes still young.

And you saying that defensive skill has no value whatsoever is kinda overboard...
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 31 2014 23:13 GMT
#536
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L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
August 01 2014 00:04 GMT
#537
On August 01 2014 06:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 02:58 L1ghtning wrote:
Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5

Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.

I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.

But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever.



if hes gonna get 8.5 for the next 8 years Im pretty sure he will be underpaid in years 5-6-7-8 because the cap is always rising (until the next lockout).

I think this guy will be worth every penny mtl will pay him unless he gets injured.

He will also get better with time, hes still young.

And you saying that defensive skill has no value whatsoever is kinda overboard...

There's no way that the cap will rise that much. And Subban is not young. He's the same age as Doughty and McDonagh, and he's older than Pietrangelo, Hedman and Karlsson. All of those players are better than Subban.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 01 2014 00:32 GMT
#538
Kevin_Sorbo reminded me of something, how long till the next lockout bros? 4 years?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 01 2014 00:44 GMT
#539
Hedman, Campbell and Phaneuf are better than Subban...? What?
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
August 01 2014 03:47 GMT
#540
Well in 2 years if he goes UFA someone will throw those 8.5 at him, probably more.

I think mtl should and will pay the guy.

good for him hes a terrific player.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
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