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On July 30 2014 23:05 QuanticHawk wrote:
Well see when the season comes.
Leafs got Gardiner, 5yr/20m. Pretty good deal.
Also, Subban's arbitration numbers came out. He's only asking $8.5. The Habs submitted... 5.25. lol. 8.5 is low if it's long term. He's got two years RFA left, so they'd be buying those. 8-8.5 in just 4-5 years is going to be undervalued for a top dman.
Montreal is fucking retarded. They don't deserve Subban. I hope he leaves them.
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On July 31 2014 07:46 Sub40APM wrote:
5.25 for one year? lol.
It's just like when they offered Eller a low ball amount, in case it does go to arbitration they want the numbers to look low to help their case etc.
I'm betting Montreal wants to sign him for 7.5 -8 million. Subban will most likely end up with what he wants though at 8.5.
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I'm so hype for this. Sharks might not disappoint me like they do all the time this year /sarcasm
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On July 31 2014 13:41 docvoc wrote:
I'm so hype for this. Sharks might not disappoint me like they do all the time this year /sarcasm
They'll start off hot, and then by February, you'll realize that you've been duped and start reaching for your handgun.
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Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense.
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On July 31 2014 08:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:It's just like when they offered Eller a low ball amount, in case it does go to arbitration they want the numbers to look low to help their case etc. I'm betting Montreal wants to sign him for 7.5 -8 million. Subban will most likely end up with what he wants though at 8.5.
yeah the team goes low and the player goes high for arbitration but both those numbers are whack. subban's agent should be aming to get in the 8's, and 5.25 is insultingly low
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On July 31 2014 15:04 Blisse wrote:
Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense.
Weber on Nashville is the first that comes to mind.
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On July 31 2014 16:07 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 15:04 Blisse wrote:
Are there any amazing/great defensemen on hella bad defensive teams? My perspective is all fucked with Leafs never having good defense. Weber on Nashville is the first that comes to mind.
Karlson, Hedman, Kronwall, Shattenkirk when he was in Colorado, Erhoff when he was at the Sabers
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On July 31 2014 23:38 JimmiC wrote:
Giordano on the flames
That's a good one. Would Bogosian count? I've always like him. John Carlson?
edit: Actually screw that. Neither of those guys are all that shit-tastic-great.
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But its always hard to tell how great a defender is on a shit team, if you think about the hours Sutter is logging in the Wild it looks like he was as important to the Preds as Webber is even though prior to the move everyone just assumed he was carried by Webber.
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Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5
Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.
I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.
But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever.
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On August 01 2014 02:58 L1ghtning wrote:
Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5
Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.
I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.
But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever.
if hes gonna get 8.5 for the next 8 years Im pretty sure he will be underpaid in years 5-6-7-8 because the cap is always rising (until the next lockout).
I think this guy will be worth every penny mtl will pay him unless he gets injured.
He will also get better with time, hes still young.
And you saying that defensive skill has no value whatsoever is kinda overboard...
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On August 01 2014 06:42 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:58 L1ghtning wrote:
Weber 7.8
Suter 7.5
Letang 7.2
Campbell 7.1
Doughty 7
Phaneuf 7
Chara 6.9
Karlsson 6.5
Pietrangelo 6.5
Subban is crazy for demanding 8.5M. He might be better than Letang, Campbell and maybe Phaneuf, but they are way overpaid, and live on prior accomplishments to some extent.
All the other players on that list are without a doubt better players than Subban. Subban's strength is his creativity, and he might be better than some of them in that category, but he's far worse in the other categories.
I guess that's what happens when you win the price as the best defenseman in the league, which was a big joke btw. Subban is barely a top 10 defenseman. 7M per year seems reasonable, and anything above 7.5 is just not worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8M though. Subban is definately not worth 8M, even when comparing him with forwards. Getzlaf and Giroux makes a bit over 8M, and they're pretty much as good as they come (centers). I'd take either of those at 8.2M anytime over Subban at 7.5M.
But salaries seems to get more and more inflated, so it's hard to tell nowadays what a reasonable salary is.
It's just sad that the defensive skills of a defenseman seems to have no value whatsoever. if hes gonna get 8.5 for the next 8 years Im pretty sure he will be underpaid in years 5-6-7-8 because the cap is always rising (until the next lockout). I think this guy will be worth every penny mtl will pay him unless he gets injured. He will also get better with time, hes still young. And you saying that defensive skill has no value whatsoever is kinda overboard...
There's no way that the cap will rise that much. And Subban is not young. He's the same age as Doughty and McDonagh, and he's older than Pietrangelo, Hedman and Karlsson. All of those players are better than Subban.
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Kevin_Sorbo reminded me of something, how long till the next lockout bros? 4 years?
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Hedman, Campbell and Phaneuf are better than Subban...? What?
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Well in 2 years if he goes UFA someone will throw those 8.5 at him, probably more.
I think mtl should and will pay the guy.
good for him hes a terrific player.
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