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On April 10 2014 07:32 Steveling wrote:
Yeah it depends at the players he has at his disposal.
That's why when he had cristiano, higuain, benzema, di maria, ozil, alonso he played with pepe as a holding midfielder.
Dat spirited attacking gameplay was overwhelming! xD
Steve, you are a bro tier Barca fan (which is rare btw), so I will kindly say that I think you are looking at Mourinho's stay at RM through propaganda colored glasses 
"Real Madrid was a defensive team? We scored 121 goals and got 100 points. My Chelsea was defensive? But they still have the Premier League points record.
"Sometimes a lie that is repeated a lot fools people into thinking it is true. Are my teams attacking? They are built to win. You have to be dominant to win more than not so that is what my teams try to be." - Jose Mourinho
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It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football.
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On April 10 2014 05:59 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 05:56 SpaNiarD wrote:This Barcelona needs like 6 new players for next season. Pique is not on shape, Xavi neither, Mascherano neither, Bartra is not good enough for that team, Pinto is not a goalkeeper for winning a Champions League, and they need a forward different to Alexis, someone tall to score grab the balls. I think I would never say this but... Go Atleti!! + Show Spoiler +From a Deportivo de La Coruña fan Los Turcos baby! La Liga awaits for D.La Coruna! :3
Before my last year as erasmus where I met so many turkish, I didn't know Deportivo was so known in Turkey  You made me really happy
And I think Barcelona will get some players for the next year. FIFA won't go too far with that penalty, is just to take attention like when happened to Chelsea
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On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football.
i guess you will forget how chelsea became a top tier club then
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On April 10 2014 08:53 smekz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. i guess you will forget how chelsea became a top tier club then
manniieeee
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On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football.
Thats your opinion, I will remember Mourinho's teams because they were the only team to beat Barca at their high
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On April 10 2014 08:54 Twisted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:53 smekz wrote:On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. i guess you will forget how chelsea became a top tier club then manniieeee
thanks for the obvious answer but look at all the other clubs that got money thrown at 
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On April 10 2014 08:31 SpaNiarD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 05:59 Mensol wrote:On April 10 2014 05:56 SpaNiarD wrote:This Barcelona needs like 6 new players for next season. Pique is not on shape, Xavi neither, Mascherano neither, Bartra is not good enough for that team, Pinto is not a goalkeeper for winning a Champions League, and they need a forward different to Alexis, someone tall to score grab the balls. I think I would never say this but... Go Atleti!! + Show Spoiler +From a Deportivo de La Coruña fan Los Turcos baby! La Liga awaits for D.La Coruna! :3 Before my last year as erasmus where I met so many turkish, I didn't know Deportivo was so known in Turkey You made me really happy And I think Barcelona will get some players for the next year. FIFA won't go too far with that penalty, is just to take attention like when happened to Chelsea
Oh did you come to Turkey or Turkish students were in Spain?
Deportivo is still popular here dude :3 We all want Razor Blues to back their old days. I still remember Roy Makaay, Diego Tristan and of course Juan Carlos Velaron I really hope that an Arab millionire buys the club so that Deportivo can back old days. I also remember "Road to Istambul" cheerfuls by Deportivo fans at 04-05 CL. + Show Spoiler + fuck Celta Vigo
I just dont want to see Chelsea vs Atletico Madrid. - Chelsea vs Real or Bayern would be sick. Amazing story lines for both games.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On April 10 2014 08:56 smekz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:54 Twisted wrote:On April 10 2014 08:53 smekz wrote:On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. i guess you will forget how chelsea became a top tier club then manniieeee thanks for the obvious answer but look at all the other clubs that got money thrown at
Sorry, had to :p
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On April 10 2014 06:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 06:11 Steveling wrote:
They didn't part on good terms.
Mou accused his whole squad of being traitors, he told them that the barca players are catalan first and that they should be enemies which is just disgusting and he benched the legendary casillas just to show who's boss.
He's like a thug honestly. Don't like him one bit. Seriously. I don't get why people like him. All I've ever seen from him is a massive ego and a horrible propensity to throw his players under the bus.
Hes a cunt, but hes a winner, its annoying because I like winners and I like people who now how to win even more but I hate him..
On April 10 2014 08:56 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. Thats your opinion, I will remember Mourinho's teams because they were the only team to beat Barca at their high
Hes right though, He hasnt contributed to the games evolution, he just knows how to win. He doesnt do anything new, he picks the best option, so he will be remembered as a winner sure, and damn good one, but still just an energy drink manager
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On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football.
Remove Messi from Barcelona and it's just one big giant boring pass-fest. (while Messi was out lots of ppl were saying how barca had lost it's impetus and slowed down their game... I'm not alone in thinking this)
If the intent of Murinho is not to concede then the intent of Pep is to retain possesion. BOTH CAN BE EXTREMELY BORING!!!
Lets face it, what matters at the end of the day is RESULT. If you're focused on anything else it's because you didn't win and you're trying to justify why you lost.
No.1 Jose fan! (esp. for that eye poke)
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On April 10 2014 11:52 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. Remove Messi from Barcelona and it's just one big giant boring pass-fest. (while Messi was out lots of ppl were saying how barca had lost it's impetus and slowed down their game... I'm not alone in thinking this)
Hes not alone guyzz move over,
Well Munich play the same way and they are amazing, although tbh the tinkering with the 2 3 3 2 whatever it was, was silly. just play their regular 4 3 2 1 and they will murder anyone.
No one is saying either guy isnt flawed and doesnt make mistakes. But one is a ruthless winner the other wins while innovating (and occasionally failing but whatever) I would hardly call Bayern Munichs football a snooze fest.
A boring pass fest would be a problem if it was happening in their own half, which is something I have yet in the last god knows how many years prove. Its all just outside the final third, and guess why they cant get in... bingo..
Thats why when you see Atleti press and hound them all over the pitch its super impressive.
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Norway28794 Posts
On April 10 2014 06:31 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 06:11 Steveling wrote:
They didn't part on good terms.
Mou accused his whole squad of being traitors, he told them that the barca players are catalan first and that they should be enemies which is just disgusting and he benched the legendary casillas just to show who's boss.
He's like a thug honestly. Don't like him one bit. Seriously. I don't get why people like him. All I've ever seen from him is a massive ego and a horrible propensity to throw his players under the bus.
This propensity to throw his players under the bus was something that came after he went to real madrid. He wasn't doing it during the first spell in Chelsea or to my knowledge, during his stay in Inter. In fact all the players he coached in those periods seem to really love him. In Real Madrid though, he fell out with many players and well, I think that turned him a bit darker.
It's like, I think he's often balancing a very thin line between kinda joking / being very blunt (insulting) and when he gets it right we get legendary quotes and when he gets it wrong we get incendiary insults. Personally I love him, I've loved watching Chelsea during his coaching periods, they have consistently played great football and produced highly dramatic and enjoyable games. I also think he is hilarious- I think the eye-gouging was basically the one incident I don't accept, but any man should be entitled to one moment of madness. And also, he really doesn't have a striker.
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On April 10 2014 11:52 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football. Remove Messi from Barcelona and it's just one big giant boring pass-fest. (while Messi was out lots of ppl were saying how barca had lost it's impetus and slowed down their game... I'm not alone in thinking this) If the intent of Murinho is not to concede then the intent of Pep is to retain possesion. BOTH CAN BE EXTREMELY BORING!!! Lets face it, what matters at the end of the day is RESULT. If you're focused on anything else it's because you didn't win and you're trying to justify why you lost. No.1 Jose fan! (esp. for that eye poke)
I don't agree. I think at the end of the day, the result is not the only thing that matters. Obviously every club strives for results but that's not mutually exclusive with adventurous play. Part of what I love about football is competition. That part of me wants one team or another to win. Another part of me loves the artistry of football. I love the fluidity, speed an creativity of football. That's a big reason I watch it over other sports or games. So clearly, there are multiple factors that matter at the end of the day.
Mourinho can obviously lay claim to some fantastic results, but he has often presented some dour football, even with the most talented of teams. Someone like Guardiola can lay claim to both results as well as beautiful football (though if we want to go deeper maybe we should attribute that to Cruyff). I don't think the result is the only thing that matters, I think the style and intention of your football is important too. I find Mourinho particularly guilty in this department because of the talent at his disposal. Small clubs don't have the resources to compete against the Barcelona's of the world and it can be understood that they will play defensively, because results do matter. But for clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea, Inter, results are not the only thing that matter. I expect something more from them as well, a desire to dominate the game, produce art and creativity, and to win at football, not just on the scoresheet. Otherwise I might as well play the game on paper.
As for someone complaining about Pep. I agree it can get boring at times, but ultimately, that is because the opponent refuses to play football. If opponents don't park the bus, most of Peps teams' games are glorious. His teams go out with intention to score goals, not to be sure they don't concede.
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The good things of the champions league semifinals is that no matter the draw are matches will be come with a great lot of stories now.
Even though I normally dont like matches with teams from the same country, this time Bayern-Chelsea and Real-Atletico would be an absolute dream.
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Tiki-taka is playing with the intention of not conceding the ball and is very result focused. It's a tactic developed out of weakness in one area and strength in another. Pep's version is a lot more direct than Spain's, which IMO is a bigger bore fest than Mou's Inter, but he does fall victim to being too focused on possession at times. Parking the bus is a common criticism towards teams playing against it, but it really shouldn't be an issue with the physical presence Bayern has. Though I think the reason Bayern struggled so much was because Pep was being a bit too cute tactically.
That said, I personally believe Wenger understands true creativity. To me true creativity is without any hand breaks that both Mourinho and Guardiola put on their teams, to me amazing creative teams lose against brutally efficient teams like it's supposed to. (Netherlands 70's and 90's, Brazil in the 80's, Liverpool currently) When the crowd shouts "aanvalluuuh" we want all 10 players moving forward without thinking of keeping the ball or defending. Shoot the ball on target when you get the opportunity, attack from the right or left, if someone is man-marking anyone that means he's not open for a pass. The true Rinus Michels way!
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On April 10 2014 08:30 Pantagruel wrote:
It's really irrelevant how many goals you score when looking at the intent of a team. The first priority of a Jose Mourinho team is to not concede, and that's how they set up to play. Jose now, and always, has played not to concede first. I don't like that attitude towards football. I prefer a team that looks to dominate the game and score goals first and foremost. Though Jose's teams can score a lot of goals on the counter, in the end he is only interested in winning games, not in playing football. Without a doubt he is damn efficient in this, but I can't respect this attitude.
When I think back on teams of the past I'll never remember much about a Mourinho team (though I'll remember Mourinho himself) while a team like Guardiola's Barcelona will be remembered by everyone. Mourinho will be seen as a fantastic winner, but ultimately will have contributed nothing to the game of football.
BULL- FUCKING - SHIT !!!!!
One of the most visually pleasant team in Europa is Fiorentina. Vicenzo Montella has built a 3-5-2 with a lot of depth and the sole reason they won't be qualified for CL this year and the injuries to Mario Gomez et Guiseppe Rossi. And yet, I seldom see anyone praising them.
Your rhetoric about "pleasant" football is nothing but posturing.
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On April 10 2014 16:34 Ysellian wrote:Tiki-taka is playing with the intention of not conceding the ball and is very result focused. It's a tactic developed out of weakness in one area and strength in another. Pep's version is a lot more direct than Spain's, which IMO is a bigger bore fest than Mou's Inter, but he does fall victim to being too focused on possession at times. Parking the bus is a common criticism towards teams playing against it, but it really shouldn't be an issue with the physical presence Bayern has. Though I think the reason Bayern struggled so much was because Pep was being a bit too cute tactically. That said, I personally believe Wenger understands true creativity. To me true creativity is without any hand breaks that both Mourinho and Guardiola put on their teams, to me amazing creative teams lose against brutally efficient teams like it's supposed to. (Netherlands 70's and 90's, Brazil in the 80's.) When the crowd shouts "aanvalluuuh" we want all 10 players moving forward without thinking of keeping the ball or defending. Shoot the ball on target when you get the opportunity, attack from the right or left, if someone is man-marking anyone that means he's not open for a pass. The true Rinus Michels way!
Spains tiki taka is more efficient and dangerous than the barca style
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On April 10 2014 16:42 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 16:34 Ysellian wrote:Tiki-taka is playing with the intention of not conceding the ball and is very result focused. It's a tactic developed out of weakness in one area and strength in another. Pep's version is a lot more direct than Spain's, which IMO is a bigger bore fest than Mou's Inter, but he does fall victim to being too focused on possession at times. Parking the bus is a common criticism towards teams playing against it, but it really shouldn't be an issue with the physical presence Bayern has. Though I think the reason Bayern struggled so much was because Pep was being a bit too cute tactically. That said, I personally believe Wenger understands true creativity. To me true creativity is without any hand breaks that both Mourinho and Guardiola put on their teams, to me amazing creative teams lose against brutally efficient teams like it's supposed to. (Netherlands 70's and 90's, Brazil in the 80's.) When the crowd shouts "aanvalluuuh" we want all 10 players moving forward without thinking of keeping the ball or defending. Shoot the ball on target when you get the opportunity, attack from the right or left, if someone is man-marking anyone that means he's not open for a pass. The true Rinus Michels way! Spains tiki taka is more efficient and dangerous than the barca style
I've never seen Pep's Barca just stop any attacking effort after scoring a goal the way Spain did multiple times in the Euro and World cup. .
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On April 10 2014 16:45 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2014 16:4 sharkie wrote:On April 10 2014 16:34 Ysellian wrote:Tiki-taka is playing with the intention of not conceding the ball and is very result focused. It's a tactic developed out of weakness in one area and strength in another. Pep's version is a lot more direct than Spain's, which IMO is a bigger bore fest than Mou's Inter, but he does fall victim to being too focused on possession at times. Parking the bus is a common criticism towards teams playing against it, but it really shouldn't be an issue with the physical presence Bayern has. Though I think the reason Bayern struggled so much was because Pep was being a bit too cute tactically. That said, I personally believe Wenger understands true creativity. To me true creativity is without any hand breaks that both Mourinho and Guardiola put on their teams, to me amazing creative teams lose against brutally efficient teams like it's supposed to. (Netherlands 70's and 90's, Brazil in the 80's.) When the crowd shouts "aanvalluuuh" we want all 10 players moving forward without thinking of keeping the ball or defending. Shoot the ball on target when you get the opportunity, attack from the right or left, if someone is man-marking anyone that means he's not open for a pass. The true Rinus Michels way! Spains tiki taka is more efficient and dangerous than the barca style I've never seen Pep's Barca just stop any attacking effort after scoring a goal the way Spain did multiple times in the Euro and World cup. .
As much as I dislike Spain I cant fault them for that
world cup and euro is about preserving strength, you cant go all out in every game. Germany has learnt that the hard way
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