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On March 08 2013 14:33 LaZeRKiD45 wrote:go leafs
Thanks for seguin and hamilton.
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On March 05 2013 05:30 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 00:42 Flaccid wrote:On March 04 2013 02:22 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 16:07 Avalain wrote:On March 03 2013 15:49 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 15:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Some people were saying that when he came back he'd never be the same, he wouldn't be a top player anymore, etc. FOOLS. I guess this is where I make the admission i don't see him as an elite level player. Yes hes a great player and an amazing offensive threat and I won't take that from him, but I find his lack of a high level defensive game rather disturbing for a center that gets the hype he does. If I would to compare him to another center of similar age in Toews I'd take Toews over Crosby. Yes They are both amazing players in their own right, but I see Toews as a more complete center with the complete 2 way package and seems to be a better leader on his respective team on both ends of the ice. Toews is amazing and I can see where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say that Crosby is that bad defensively. He's still +9 where Toews is +10 (for how much the +- stat even matters, necessarily). Certainly he isn't so bad that you'd have to drop him out of elite level status. I mean, would you consider Stamkos an elite player? I think you can debate that Crosby isn't the BEST player, but not elite seems to be stretching it a bit. But how much do you see Crosby on the PK? +/- is a very skewed stat especially if you compare Toews vs Crosby. Towes is at a +10 with only 18 points vs Crosby at +9 with 34 points. To me that says Crosby is a defensive liability on the ice and while hes definitely a greatly gifted offensive player and extremely elite in that regard his defensive game is lacking with is kinda disappointing to me considering all the massive media hype and talk about being the best player in the game right now. I honestly believe it the Pens told him he needs to step up the defensive side of his game he could become a more complete 2-way player. What if Crosby was getting 10-20 less points a season but had 10-30 more blocked shots and was a key part of the PK? Crosby is an elite offensive player in a 2-way position. To me its kinda contradictory its like an offensive defenseman. I disagree with the common idea that your top talent needs to kill penalties and block shots. Grinders can do that - blocking shots and killing penalties can be taught, elite offensive talent cannot be. Why waste your goal-scorers by putting them out in situations where they can't score unless you have no other option? And given that Crosby is a beast when it comes to holding the puck in the offensive zone (possibly the best player in the league in this regard), how much does his lack of defensive 'prowess' really matter? Much of the 'modern NHL' emphasizes 'not losing' over winning. Not giving up goals over scoring goals. Makes sense, because it's easier. But when you have the best player on the planet on your team (yeah, that's an opinion right there), you should use him as such. edit: As an aside, the blanket hate for Crosby has always bothered me. It's perception over reality. When he scored the gold-medal winning goal I thought "finally, people can stop hating Sidney Crosby." Nope. It's like the Nickelback effect except Crosby is actually good. Here's my perspective as an outsider of the Pens fanbase. Crosby great offensive player yes. Best player on his team, most likely. Best player in the world? Hell fucking no. Hes probably the best OFFENSIVE center in the game of hockey. Best overall player not at all. He doesnt contribute to the defensive side of the game when playing a role that is key to good 2-way hockey. Which is especially important when he plays the key position for good 2-way hockey. I see it as id rather have good all round players that may be slightly above or below average at everything then players that are absolute stand outs on one end of the ice but may as well not exist on the other end. There needs to be balance atleast in some aspect and for as much hype as Crosby has it doesnt make sense to me. Yes you need players that grind it out and the players that stand out on one end of the ice, but those stand outs should be your wingers not your centermen. The blanket hate comes probably from alot of the favoritism he gets. Part of the problem is also the fact he doesnt have a good image about him. You dont hear glowing reviews about him or that hes a really nice guy/awesome teammate comments you hear alot of the opposite and that makes it easier to not like the guy. Its one of those if youre a media star you cant be a dick thing.
Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove.
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On March 08 2013 15:28 TriO wrote:
Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove.
So... wouldn't that make him at least a thrice in a generation player?
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On March 08 2013 15:28 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:30 Kyhron wrote:On March 05 2013 00:42 Flaccid wrote:On March 04 2013 02:22 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 16:07 Avalain wrote:On March 03 2013 15:49 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 15:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Some people were saying that when he came back he'd never be the same, he wouldn't be a top player anymore, etc. FOOLS. I guess this is where I make the admission i don't see him as an elite level player. Yes hes a great player and an amazing offensive threat and I won't take that from him, but I find his lack of a high level defensive game rather disturbing for a center that gets the hype he does. If I would to compare him to another center of similar age in Toews I'd take Toews over Crosby. Yes They are both amazing players in their own right, but I see Toews as a more complete center with the complete 2 way package and seems to be a better leader on his respective team on both ends of the ice. Toews is amazing and I can see where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say that Crosby is that bad defensively. He's still +9 where Toews is +10 (for how much the +- stat even matters, necessarily). Certainly he isn't so bad that you'd have to drop him out of elite level status. I mean, would you consider Stamkos an elite player? I think you can debate that Crosby isn't the BEST player, but not elite seems to be stretching it a bit. But how much do you see Crosby on the PK? +/- is a very skewed stat especially if you compare Toews vs Crosby. Towes is at a +10 with only 18 points vs Crosby at +9 with 34 points. To me that says Crosby is a defensive liability on the ice and while hes definitely a greatly gifted offensive player and extremely elite in that regard his defensive game is lacking with is kinda disappointing to me considering all the massive media hype and talk about being the best player in the game right now. I honestly believe it the Pens told him he needs to step up the defensive side of his game he could become a more complete 2-way player. What if Crosby was getting 10-20 less points a season but had 10-30 more blocked shots and was a key part of the PK? Crosby is an elite offensive player in a 2-way position. To me its kinda contradictory its like an offensive defenseman. I disagree with the common idea that your top talent needs to kill penalties and block shots. Grinders can do that - blocking shots and killing penalties can be taught, elite offensive talent cannot be. Why waste your goal-scorers by putting them out in situations where they can't score unless you have no other option? And given that Crosby is a beast when it comes to holding the puck in the offensive zone (possibly the best player in the league in this regard), how much does his lack of defensive 'prowess' really matter? Much of the 'modern NHL' emphasizes 'not losing' over winning. Not giving up goals over scoring goals. Makes sense, because it's easier. But when you have the best player on the planet on your team (yeah, that's an opinion right there), you should use him as such. edit: As an aside, the blanket hate for Crosby has always bothered me. It's perception over reality. When he scored the gold-medal winning goal I thought "finally, people can stop hating Sidney Crosby." Nope. It's like the Nickelback effect except Crosby is actually good. Here's my perspective as an outsider of the Pens fanbase. Crosby great offensive player yes. Best player on his team, most likely. Best player in the world? Hell fucking no. Hes probably the best OFFENSIVE center in the game of hockey. Best overall player not at all. He doesnt contribute to the defensive side of the game when playing a role that is key to good 2-way hockey. Which is especially important when he plays the key position for good 2-way hockey. I see it as id rather have good all round players that may be slightly above or below average at everything then players that are absolute stand outs on one end of the ice but may as well not exist on the other end. There needs to be balance atleast in some aspect and for as much hype as Crosby has it doesnt make sense to me. Yes you need players that grind it out and the players that stand out on one end of the ice, but those stand outs should be your wingers not your centermen. The blanket hate comes probably from alot of the favoritism he gets. Part of the problem is also the fact he doesnt have a good image about him. You dont hear glowing reviews about him or that hes a really nice guy/awesome teammate comments you hear alot of the opposite and that makes it easier to not like the guy. Its one of those if youre a media star you cant be a dick thing. Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove.
Ovechkin is no longer a superstar, though.
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On March 07 2013 23:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
where was all this "testosterone" Burke kept on promising?
it didn't arrive until after Burke got fired.
It takes a lot of time to change the philosophy and credo in a locker room and Ron Wilson wasn't necessarily the right guy to do that in the first place. That happens more often than not when you remove a coach or someone else from the top. That's why you keep hearing the GM's even Nonis for that matter to plead patience.
On March 08 2013 19:23 GolemMadness wrote:
Ovechkin is no longer a superstar, though.
He lost his passion.
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On March 08 2013 15:28 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 05:30 Kyhron wrote:On March 05 2013 00:42 Flaccid wrote:On March 04 2013 02:22 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 16:07 Avalain wrote:On March 03 2013 15:49 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 15:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Some people were saying that when he came back he'd never be the same, he wouldn't be a top player anymore, etc. FOOLS. I guess this is where I make the admission i don't see him as an elite level player. Yes hes a great player and an amazing offensive threat and I won't take that from him, but I find his lack of a high level defensive game rather disturbing for a center that gets the hype he does. If I would to compare him to another center of similar age in Toews I'd take Toews over Crosby. Yes They are both amazing players in their own right, but I see Toews as a more complete center with the complete 2 way package and seems to be a better leader on his respective team on both ends of the ice. Toews is amazing and I can see where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say that Crosby is that bad defensively. He's still +9 where Toews is +10 (for how much the +- stat even matters, necessarily). Certainly he isn't so bad that you'd have to drop him out of elite level status. I mean, would you consider Stamkos an elite player? I think you can debate that Crosby isn't the BEST player, but not elite seems to be stretching it a bit. But how much do you see Crosby on the PK? +/- is a very skewed stat especially if you compare Toews vs Crosby. Towes is at a +10 with only 18 points vs Crosby at +9 with 34 points. To me that says Crosby is a defensive liability on the ice and while hes definitely a greatly gifted offensive player and extremely elite in that regard his defensive game is lacking with is kinda disappointing to me considering all the massive media hype and talk about being the best player in the game right now. I honestly believe it the Pens told him he needs to step up the defensive side of his game he could become a more complete 2-way player. What if Crosby was getting 10-20 less points a season but had 10-30 more blocked shots and was a key part of the PK? Crosby is an elite offensive player in a 2-way position. To me its kinda contradictory its like an offensive defenseman. I disagree with the common idea that your top talent needs to kill penalties and block shots. Grinders can do that - blocking shots and killing penalties can be taught, elite offensive talent cannot be. Why waste your goal-scorers by putting them out in situations where they can't score unless you have no other option? And given that Crosby is a beast when it comes to holding the puck in the offensive zone (possibly the best player in the league in this regard), how much does his lack of defensive 'prowess' really matter? Much of the 'modern NHL' emphasizes 'not losing' over winning. Not giving up goals over scoring goals. Makes sense, because it's easier. But when you have the best player on the planet on your team (yeah, that's an opinion right there), you should use him as such. edit: As an aside, the blanket hate for Crosby has always bothered me. It's perception over reality. When he scored the gold-medal winning goal I thought "finally, people can stop hating Sidney Crosby." Nope. It's like the Nickelback effect except Crosby is actually good. Here's my perspective as an outsider of the Pens fanbase. Crosby great offensive player yes. Best player on his team, most likely. Best player in the world? Hell fucking no. Hes probably the best OFFENSIVE center in the game of hockey. Best overall player not at all. He doesnt contribute to the defensive side of the game when playing a role that is key to good 2-way hockey. Which is especially important when he plays the key position for good 2-way hockey. I see it as id rather have good all round players that may be slightly above or below average at everything then players that are absolute stand outs on one end of the ice but may as well not exist on the other end. There needs to be balance atleast in some aspect and for as much hype as Crosby has it doesnt make sense to me. Yes you need players that grind it out and the players that stand out on one end of the ice, but those stand outs should be your wingers not your centermen. The blanket hate comes probably from alot of the favoritism he gets. Part of the problem is also the fact he doesnt have a good image about him. You dont hear glowing reviews about him or that hes a really nice guy/awesome teammate comments you hear alot of the opposite and that makes it easier to not like the guy. Its one of those if youre a media star you cant be a dick thing. Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove.
That kinda prevents him from being once in a generation. And good players make the players around him better so then wouldnt malkin and crosby be making each other better? Hes a good player but I would not say hes the best in the world
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On March 09 2013 05:20 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 15:28 TriO wrote:On March 05 2013 05:30 Kyhron wrote:On March 05 2013 00:42 Flaccid wrote:On March 04 2013 02:22 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 16:07 Avalain wrote:On March 03 2013 15:49 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 15:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Some people were saying that when he came back he'd never be the same, he wouldn't be a top player anymore, etc. FOOLS. I guess this is where I make the admission i don't see him as an elite level player. Yes hes a great player and an amazing offensive threat and I won't take that from him, but I find his lack of a high level defensive game rather disturbing for a center that gets the hype he does. If I would to compare him to another center of similar age in Toews I'd take Toews over Crosby. Yes They are both amazing players in their own right, but I see Toews as a more complete center with the complete 2 way package and seems to be a better leader on his respective team on both ends of the ice. Toews is amazing and I can see where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say that Crosby is that bad defensively. He's still +9 where Toews is +10 (for how much the +- stat even matters, necessarily). Certainly he isn't so bad that you'd have to drop him out of elite level status. I mean, would you consider Stamkos an elite player? I think you can debate that Crosby isn't the BEST player, but not elite seems to be stretching it a bit. But how much do you see Crosby on the PK? +/- is a very skewed stat especially if you compare Toews vs Crosby. Towes is at a +10 with only 18 points vs Crosby at +9 with 34 points. To me that says Crosby is a defensive liability on the ice and while hes definitely a greatly gifted offensive player and extremely elite in that regard his defensive game is lacking with is kinda disappointing to me considering all the massive media hype and talk about being the best player in the game right now. I honestly believe it the Pens told him he needs to step up the defensive side of his game he could become a more complete 2-way player. What if Crosby was getting 10-20 less points a season but had 10-30 more blocked shots and was a key part of the PK? Crosby is an elite offensive player in a 2-way position. To me its kinda contradictory its like an offensive defenseman. I disagree with the common idea that your top talent needs to kill penalties and block shots. Grinders can do that - blocking shots and killing penalties can be taught, elite offensive talent cannot be. Why waste your goal-scorers by putting them out in situations where they can't score unless you have no other option? And given that Crosby is a beast when it comes to holding the puck in the offensive zone (possibly the best player in the league in this regard), how much does his lack of defensive 'prowess' really matter? Much of the 'modern NHL' emphasizes 'not losing' over winning. Not giving up goals over scoring goals. Makes sense, because it's easier. But when you have the best player on the planet on your team (yeah, that's an opinion right there), you should use him as such. edit: As an aside, the blanket hate for Crosby has always bothered me. It's perception over reality. When he scored the gold-medal winning goal I thought "finally, people can stop hating Sidney Crosby." Nope. It's like the Nickelback effect except Crosby is actually good. Here's my perspective as an outsider of the Pens fanbase. Crosby great offensive player yes. Best player on his team, most likely. Best player in the world? Hell fucking no. Hes probably the best OFFENSIVE center in the game of hockey. Best overall player not at all. He doesnt contribute to the defensive side of the game when playing a role that is key to good 2-way hockey. Which is especially important when he plays the key position for good 2-way hockey. I see it as id rather have good all round players that may be slightly above or below average at everything then players that are absolute stand outs on one end of the ice but may as well not exist on the other end. There needs to be balance atleast in some aspect and for as much hype as Crosby has it doesnt make sense to me. Yes you need players that grind it out and the players that stand out on one end of the ice, but those stand outs should be your wingers not your centermen. The blanket hate comes probably from alot of the favoritism he gets. Part of the problem is also the fact he doesnt have a good image about him. You dont hear glowing reviews about him or that hes a really nice guy/awesome teammate comments you hear alot of the opposite and that makes it easier to not like the guy. Its one of those if youre a media star you cant be a dick thing. Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove. That kinda prevents him from being once in a generation. And good players make the players around him better so then wouldnt malkin and crosby be making each other better? Hes a good player but I would not say hes the best in the world
Ouch. There goes your credibility then.
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@TSNBobMcKenzie
Eight years with AAV of $8.25M for Ryan Getzlaf with ANA.
I.. I don't get it? I thought he was signing in Toronto?
Really though, looking forward to what Perry will fetch, assuming he decides to leave town.
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How many players does it take to check a Crosby?
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On March 09 2013 05:20 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 15:28 TriO wrote:On March 05 2013 05:30 Kyhron wrote:On March 05 2013 00:42 Flaccid wrote:On March 04 2013 02:22 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 16:07 Avalain wrote:On March 03 2013 15:49 Kyhron wrote:On March 03 2013 15:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Some people were saying that when he came back he'd never be the same, he wouldn't be a top player anymore, etc. FOOLS. I guess this is where I make the admission i don't see him as an elite level player. Yes hes a great player and an amazing offensive threat and I won't take that from him, but I find his lack of a high level defensive game rather disturbing for a center that gets the hype he does. If I would to compare him to another center of similar age in Toews I'd take Toews over Crosby. Yes They are both amazing players in their own right, but I see Toews as a more complete center with the complete 2 way package and seems to be a better leader on his respective team on both ends of the ice. Toews is amazing and I can see where you're coming from. However, I wouldn't say that Crosby is that bad defensively. He's still +9 where Toews is +10 (for how much the +- stat even matters, necessarily). Certainly he isn't so bad that you'd have to drop him out of elite level status. I mean, would you consider Stamkos an elite player? I think you can debate that Crosby isn't the BEST player, but not elite seems to be stretching it a bit. But how much do you see Crosby on the PK? +/- is a very skewed stat especially if you compare Toews vs Crosby. Towes is at a +10 with only 18 points vs Crosby at +9 with 34 points. To me that says Crosby is a defensive liability on the ice and while hes definitely a greatly gifted offensive player and extremely elite in that regard his defensive game is lacking with is kinda disappointing to me considering all the massive media hype and talk about being the best player in the game right now. I honestly believe it the Pens told him he needs to step up the defensive side of his game he could become a more complete 2-way player. What if Crosby was getting 10-20 less points a season but had 10-30 more blocked shots and was a key part of the PK? Crosby is an elite offensive player in a 2-way position. To me its kinda contradictory its like an offensive defenseman. I disagree with the common idea that your top talent needs to kill penalties and block shots. Grinders can do that - blocking shots and killing penalties can be taught, elite offensive talent cannot be. Why waste your goal-scorers by putting them out in situations where they can't score unless you have no other option? And given that Crosby is a beast when it comes to holding the puck in the offensive zone (possibly the best player in the league in this regard), how much does his lack of defensive 'prowess' really matter? Much of the 'modern NHL' emphasizes 'not losing' over winning. Not giving up goals over scoring goals. Makes sense, because it's easier. But when you have the best player on the planet on your team (yeah, that's an opinion right there), you should use him as such. edit: As an aside, the blanket hate for Crosby has always bothered me. It's perception over reality. When he scored the gold-medal winning goal I thought "finally, people can stop hating Sidney Crosby." Nope. It's like the Nickelback effect except Crosby is actually good. Here's my perspective as an outsider of the Pens fanbase. Crosby great offensive player yes. Best player on his team, most likely. Best player in the world? Hell fucking no. Hes probably the best OFFENSIVE center in the game of hockey. Best overall player not at all. He doesnt contribute to the defensive side of the game when playing a role that is key to good 2-way hockey. Which is especially important when he plays the key position for good 2-way hockey. I see it as id rather have good all round players that may be slightly above or below average at everything then players that are absolute stand outs on one end of the ice but may as well not exist on the other end. There needs to be balance atleast in some aspect and for as much hype as Crosby has it doesnt make sense to me. Yes you need players that grind it out and the players that stand out on one end of the ice, but those stand outs should be your wingers not your centermen. The blanket hate comes probably from alot of the favoritism he gets. Part of the problem is also the fact he doesnt have a good image about him. You dont hear glowing reviews about him or that hes a really nice guy/awesome teammate comments you hear alot of the opposite and that makes it easier to not like the guy. Its one of those if youre a media star you cant be a dick thing. Wtf Crosby not the best player in the world? LOL are you smoking something? This guy is a once in a generation player like Malkin/Ove. That kinda prevents him from being once in a generation. And good players make the players around him better so then wouldnt malkin and crosby be making each other better? Hes a good player but I would not say hes the best in the world
Malkin and Crosby only play together on the power play. You cannot make an argument about Crosby being made better by his line mates in any case. Crosby's best line mate was a year of Marion Hossa; his next best was an aged Bill Guerin. The vast majority of his time in Pittsburgh, he's been pivoting talbot and Kunitz and still posting 100+ point seasons. With his play so far this year there is almost no argument that anyone is better than Crosby. You were talking about Toews's defense? He has 67% offensive zone starts, not reflective of a great defensive player. Bill and does the heavy defensive lifting for the hawks, not Toews.
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The Blackhawk's streak is over
GO AVS GO
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On March 04 2013 05:54 QuanticHawk wrote:
any time you are trying to make a point based on +/- you're pretty much wrong
Uhh no your not. Its a great stat that shows how bad offencive players are at defence. Crosby cannot play defence and the only reason he will ever be on the ice for a defencive zone draw with a one goal lead and 20 seconds left in the game is he is good at faceoffs. If he was average or bad in the dot he'd never be in that zone.
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On March 10 2013 09:35 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:54 QuanticHawk wrote:
any time you are trying to make a point based on +/- you're pretty much wrong Uhh no your not. Its a great stat that shows how bad offencive players are at defence. Crosby cannot play defence and the only reason he will ever be on the ice for a defencive zone draw with a one goal lead and 20 seconds left in the game is he is good at faceoffs. If he was average or bad in the dot he'd never be in that zone.
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=30&f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f5=PIT&c=0 1 3 5 4 6 7 8 13 14 29 30 32 33 34 45 46 63 67
By almost any metric, Crosby is a strong defensive player. I haven't followed your argument from previous pages, but if you actually think Crosby isn't strong defensively, you either don't watch Pittsburgh games or you don't know what good defensive hockey looks like.
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On March 10 2013 09:35 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:54 QuanticHawk wrote:
any time you are trying to make a point based on +/- you're pretty much wrong Uhh no your not. Its a great stat that shows how bad offencive players are at defence. Crosby cannot play defence and the only reason he will ever be on the ice for a defencive zone draw with a one goal lead and 20 seconds left in the game is he is good at faceoffs. If he was average or bad in the dot he'd never be in that zone.
No it isn't. +/- is LARGELY based on the team/line you play on. That's why you see stuff like the top five players in +/- last year all being on Boston, and players on NYI almost always being in the minus.
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I'd just like to point out to everybody that Sidney Crosby is a good defensive player, that he is all-around the absolute best hockey player in the world, and that trying to argue otherwise ruins your credibility. And no, this is not sarcasm. Thanks for your understanding.
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On March 11 2013 01:58 Bengui wrote:
I'd just like to point out to everybody that Sidney Crosby is a good defensive player, that he is all-around the absolute best hockey player in the world, and that trying to argue otherwise ruins your credibility. And no, this is not sarcasm. Thanks for your understanding.
Completely agreed. He's playing at a 130+ point pace for the third season in a row, despite all of them being shortened. In the same vein, arguing that +/- is a good indicator of defensive play from forwards is almost more ridiculous. The only time I'll take it into account is if it's severely better or worse than other forwards on their team. It's just so reliant on the strength of your team and goaltending that the vast majority of the time it's worthless.
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I will not be surprised if EDM loses this lead to the blackhawks, what a joke of a team they are lol. Plus, come on Canucks, fuck.
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Fuck yea Wild. Have had some impressive form over the past couple weeks and have climbed on top of the Northwest division. Some incredibly scrappy play, but they make it work.
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On March 10 2013 09:35 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 05:54 QuanticHawk wrote:
any time you are trying to make a point based on +/- you're pretty much wrong Uhh no your not. Its a great stat that shows how bad offencive players are at defence. Crosby cannot play defence and the only reason he will ever be on the ice for a defencive zone draw with a one goal lead and 20 seconds left in the game is he is good at faceoffs. If he was average or bad in the dot he'd never be in that zone.
Looks like I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.
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