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Sub40APM
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QuanticHawk
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that is why the players were telling the owners to pound sand when they were telling them costs are too high despite the league being more popular and profitable than ever. the problem is that there are way too many unprofitable teams in markets that are totally unsustainable. i am not talking about the natural ebb and flow that hockey region teams go through, ie, boston and chicago floating near the bottom at some point and bouncing back. i am talking about teams like the fl franchises, phoenix, etc, the clubs that are like a cancer on the ass of the league that will never ever do better than maybe breaking even, short of a miracle post season run that nets them a few bucks. the nyr, phi, mtl, etc of the leagues prop up the lower half of the league, and they are the ones that drive the market this time of year. there's also the fact that you will see a lot of players bolt for the khl if they were to do something stupid like do a 30-40% salary roll back, go nutso with escrow, or just scrap UFA all together in the next cba spending will always be a thing unless they eliminate the ufa process. and if you do that, you might as well fold the legue because anyone with half an ounce of talent is going to go where they can make more money, because players earning potential gets totally smashed without the open market. | ||
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Sub40APM
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
Bryz was such a failure because much of his hype was based around two fairly anomalous years. He's a decent goaltender, but not a "franchise" netminder like Rask is. Luongo's situation is just a soap opera, but it's not like he hasn't been good. If the deal really is for $7-8M AAV, then it would represent an overpay. Rask has only been elite for what, 1.5 seasons? BOS has essentially given him a "max" deal, where he is the highest paid goalie with the longest possible term. Why not offer him a 3-4 year deal with lower AAV, and see if he lives up to that? Basically you say to him, we'll give you more UFA years to work with. BOS doesn't save any money in this deal; the only benefit is the security of having the player through his prime. That shouldn't be totally discounted, but I agree with you Sub40 that this is definitely an overpay. | ||
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Sub40APM
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RagequitBM
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Sub40APM
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1) level of compete. Some guys really are motivated by money, and you see that in contract years they perform much better than a year or two down the line. But that isnt always the case, I dont care for Crosby at all (both as a man and as the NHL hype machine) but on top of being one of the greatest players to lace them up he is also still pushing hard despite all his health issues and his hefty payday. But that isnt always the case with all players. 2) lack of flexibility. The big issue with these brutal contracts is that they rob teams of flexibility later down the line. This is especially true when Boston let Khudobin walk for a measly 800k to Carolina. That is just silly Sometimes long term loyalty to goalies work, Brodeaur certainly has played consistently and loyally in NJ so maybe Rask will do that to. But a GM in a league where owners take everyone else hostage habitually every 5 years because they are too stupid to control their own spending should probably favor future flexibility over almost anything else. | ||
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StarStruck
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On July 08 2013 05:51 QuanticHawk wrote: the cap floor became the cap ceiling a few years later because it is tied to revenue. that will prove true again in five years. that is why the players were telling the owners to pound sand when they were telling them costs are too high despite the league being more popular and profitable than ever. the problem is that there are way too many unprofitable teams in markets that are totally unsustainable. i am not talking about the natural ebb and flow that hockey region teams go through, ie, boston and chicago floating near the bottom at some point and bouncing back. i am talking about teams like the fl franchises, phoenix, etc, the clubs that are like a cancer on the ass of the league that will never ever do better than maybe breaking even, short of a miracle post season run that nets them a few bucks. the nyr, phi, mtl, etc of the leagues prop up the lower half of the league, and they are the ones that drive the market this time of year. there's also the fact that you will see a lot of players bolt for the khl if they were to do something stupid like do a 30-40% salary roll back, go nutso with escrow, or just scrap UFA all together in the next cba spending will always be a thing unless they eliminate the ufa process. and if you do that, you might as well fold the legue because anyone with half an ounce of talent is going to go where they can make more money, because players earning potential gets totally smashed without the open market. Yep, 1/3rd of the teams bleed which is pretty frigging ridiculous once you think about it. I like how you ignored tmle o; I much rather get rid of the stupid salary cap and fold/move those other teams but we all know that's never going to happen. :V Even if Gary Bettman were gone it's not going to change. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32054 Posts
on rask, while he obviously plays behind a very good, defensive team, he is very good in his own right. if you luck into a good year, maybe you do it once. he's posted fantastic stats as a back up and as a starter. two of his seasons are right near the top in sv% all time. i guess it remains to be seen what the actual deal is, but i do feel that rask probably is a top 5 goalie right now, and he has been in that area for a while and probably will be for some time. i do agree though, if it is something like an 8 year deal or something in the neighborhood of 7/8m a year, it is silly, if for no other reason than he is an rfa and smart gms use that as leverage to get cheaper deals than when they have to resign a UFA. speaking of deals, I am loving that McDonagh deal. 6/4.7per. if there is a time to give a rfa a longer more lucrative deal, it is there. He's already the best all around defender by far on the rangers, and chews up minutes in all positions. he's not quite as good offensively as dudes like doughty and subban, but he's far better in his own end than either. there are a lot of teams where 4.7 is what second pairing dudes are making, and if he continues to progress, that good deal is going to turn into a steal since it is eating up UFA years | ||
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Flaccid
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On July 09 2013 08:01 QuanticHawk wrote: speaking of deals, I am loving that McDonagh deal. 6/4.7per. if there is a time to give a rfa a longer more lucrative deal, it is there. He's already the best all around defender by far on the rangers, and chews up minutes in all positions. he's not quite as good offensively as dudes like doughty and subban, but he's far better in his own end than either. there are a lot of teams where 4.7 is what second pairing dudes are making, and if he continues to progress, that good deal is going to turn into a steal since it is eating up UFA years Yeah, a really good deal - it pays a bit more for the RFA years but then pays less for the UFA years. Always works out as a win when the guy is already playing at a high enough level to justify the salary in and of itself. It's a similar concept to Hall's contract in that the dollars per year would be less had the term not extended into the UFA years, but since he's already playing well enough to be earning salary that anyways, it's a big win. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32054 Posts
the main issue is the frequency that that man seems to get his head nearly taken off. the only other dude ive seen recently with that lack of awareness at times is artem anisimov | ||
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StarStruck
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QuanticHawk
United States32054 Posts
i am always perplexed how skill guys like the ones mentioned here can be so damn unaware at times http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2013/7/10/4510786/nhl-free-agency-carl-hagelin-contract-extension-rangers hagelin resigned, 2yrs/4.5 total. Solid deal. good top 6 guy who seems like he is on the verge of taking another step. this contract is fair to both. rangers get him at a good rate, and it allows him to prove himself for the re up contract. standard 2nd contract bridge for slats. i do think stepan is gonna be more difficult though. he's quite a bit ahead of hagelin. he might get a longer term one that eats up ufa years, kinda like what we wer just talking about with hall and mcd. he also might get a two year just because of where they are on the cap right now. slats is quietly having a good offseason thus far, mostly because he hasnt done anything stupid. that is probably more of a product of how the cap situation is now more than anything though. | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32054 Posts
what does everyone think of tukka time for eight more years?? i like him a lot, and i think hes gonna be in that high level range for a bit, but that's quite a lot considering that he isnt exactly super experienced. he's got two starter years, as good as they were. more confounding is that he was an rfa. that's what makes this silly. they shoulda gotten him cheaper, i think | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
even tho he's always been a strong goalie its still hard to say whether or not he'll be able to keep up w/ his solid play once boston's d-core gets weaker (caproom issues.. one of the downsides of having a 7M goalie) and chara isnt getting any younger either. its easy for a goalie to perform well in front of an excellent d-core, the real test is gonna come once he'll have to play in front of a good/mediocre core. goalies are really fucking unpredictable because the position is all about having a strong mindset, thats why alot of them have consistency issues.. theodore won the heart/vezina one year but then disappeared into obscurity after that. there are so many examples of goalies who've had a strong year but then they just randomly fizzled out and god forbid your 7M goalie gets injured.. wtf do u do then? lol | ||
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Sub40APM
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In general I am not a fan of long term contracts, too much uncertainty in the game these days. And by that I mean in the minds of the owners. | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
which is really hard because most goalies find their game once theyre like 25-26 =/ | ||
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StarStruck
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On July 11 2013 12:03 BigAsia wrote: Just bumped into Sidney Crosby today! I'm school girl excited. + Show Spoiler + Pretty awesome man, which bar were you at? On July 11 2013 13:25 QuanticHawk wrote: i dislike that fucker, but that is pretty damn cool what does everyone think of tukka time for eight more years?? i like him a lot, and i think hes gonna be in that high level range for a bit, but that's quite a lot considering that he isnt exactly super experienced. he's got two starter years, as good as they were. more confounding is that he was an rfa. that's what makes this silly. they shoulda gotten him cheaper, i think I stopped trying to understand the bullshit deals along time ago. Just roll with it.  | ||
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