EPTMLB Regular Season 2013 - Page 19
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
On July 15 2013 10:08 oneofthem wrote: there's some research on sliders and injuries. there are some high profile starters who throw sliders more than 35% of the time suffering serious injuries, but it seems that curveballs are not that much safer. depends on how the guy throws it i guess http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-secondary-pitch-usage-impacts-attrition/ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/too-many-sliders/ http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/curve-ball-and-slider-pitchers-and-the-dl/ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brett-andersons-elbow-eaten-by-sliders/ i defy any one to throw the "Dave Stieb slider" and NOT develop an elbow injury. "the spin was so tight that all you would see as the ball came to the plate was a red dot in the middle of the ball", Tony Kubek. in his prime Dave Stieb's slider had so much spin and velocity that it broke in 2 different directions just before getting to home plate. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
They're now on a 5 game win streak, biggest of the season. I'm glad Brad Miller and Nick Franklin are adjusting well to the big leagues. If they keep up the performance, we've got a solid, young middle infield for years to come. I don't want to get too optimistic (because i've been a mariners fan the past 10 years), but i feel that they can get back to .500 by the season's end. Next year I think they'll be able to compete. Especially if their young pitchers can make the jump to the bigs. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 15 2013 12:38 zulu_nation8 wrote: Some really interesting info. What do you guys think is the reason for Lincecum's velocity drop? Also, what about Mariano Rivera's cutter is dangerous to throw? The grip is almost the same as a 4 seamer. Right? I feel like tons of guys throw cutters and they're basically fine. Cliff Lee, James Shields, Roy Halladay are some really special pitchers who throw the cutter at least 15% of the time, or 51% of the time in Doc's case. Lincecum hurt his shoulder, which is an awful injury for pitchers to recover from. But I believe he toned down the velocity long ago, and now, with the injury - he probably just can't command a 93 mph like before or maybe even get there. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
On July 21 2013 14:11 slyboogie wrote: Right? I feel like tons of guys throw cutters and they're basically fine. Cliff Lee, James Shields, Roy Halladay are some really special pitchers who throw the cutter at least 15% of the time, or 51% of the time in Doc's case. Lincecum hurt his shoulder, which is an awful injury for pitchers to recover from. But I believe he toned down the velocity long ago, and now, with the injury - he probably just can't command a 93 mph like before or maybe even get there. As of 2005 Halladay no longer throws a standard cut fastball due to an arm injury. The reason Halladay had the "hardest cut fastball in baseball" for some time was that it really wasn't a cut fastball. Halladay does not throw this pitch When the MLB pitch tracker identifies a pitch it does not examine the grip and rotation of the pitcher's wrist. The tracker examines how the ball breaks and estimates what pitch it probably is based on how the ball moves through the air. Halladay's modified 2-seam fastball behaves like a cut fastball. The MLB pitch tracker is impressive, but it is not 100% accurate. For some people the standard cut fastball shown in the video is not an issue. For others it causes elbow problems. This has to do with the thickness and positioning of the connective tissues in a players elbows and shoulders. As an extreme example, RA Dickey has no ulnar collateral ligament. This alters the entire system of forces he puts on the ball as he throws it and impacts the stresses on his elbow in a profound way. On the outside he may look like he is throwing a ball just like every one else. But, if you talk to an orthopaedic expert, he is not. It is a lot easier for a reliever to throw a pitch that is stressful on the elbow and shoulder for 1 inning than it is for a starter to throw 100+ pitches over 6 or more innings. Try and throw a cut fastball yourself. From a mound and following the youtube video. Throw it as hard as you can 30 times. Then do the same thing with the slider. That'll show you first hand how dangerous these pitches can be for some people. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
And ferrose its the first, but not the last. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Officially ready for next week's Yankees at Dodgers now (that should be fun). After this incoming BlueJay sweep that is ^^. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17009 Posts
On a positive note, Tom Cheek posthumously receives the Ford C. Frick award this Saturday. On July 23 2013 09:56 oneofthem wrote: should just grandfather in roids like they did greenies and whatnot. who gives a fuck the problem with this is that guys who were born to be welterweights at 170 lbs will " 'roid themselves up to 260 lbs" like Eddie Guerrero did and die on the baseball field at the age of 35. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Its one thing to not swing at a first bad pitch but it seems the pitchers are on to these guys and that first pitch is often the best hitting pitch they will get. Does baseball have a stat to compare guys that will sometimes swing at first pitches vs those that don't? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17009 Posts
Really good hitters receive less strikes. Really good power hitters receive even less strikes. Lousy hitters with no power get first pitch strikes all the time. Therefore, hitters like Barry Bonds, Frank Thomas, and Prince Fielder receive less first pitch strikes. Therefore, they swing at the first pitch less. And, these hitters draw more walks. Generally speaking, hitters who swing at the first pitch most often are the least successful hitters in the game. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
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KelianQatar
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Ethier is pretty hot lately. A-Gon has been solid all season. Hanley when he has been in. | ||
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