EPTMLB Regular Season 2013 - Page 18
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:31 zulu_nation8 wrote: Does anyone play OOTPB here? yes. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17931 Posts
On June 24 2013 03:23 KelianQatar wrote: 11 in a row!! Where's that little sabermatrician Raynor now? He probably snapped his calculator in half and is hiding in his mom's basement. i'm here. my criticisms of the Blue Jays general manager has to do with his RELATIVE lack of real competitive baseball experience. Nothing to do with sabermetrics. He is good enough to be the AGM of an MLB team, but not good enough to make final baseball decisions. The guy is just out of his element when trying to deal with guys like Friedman and Ryan regarding baseball stuff. i've been saying this since the day he was hired. AA is not qualified to be a baseball decision maker for an MLB team. the jays needs to fire AA and Roger Media needs to give Andrew Friedman the autonomy and wheel barrel full of money that he deserves. if that means getting rid of Paul Beeston then so be it. he refuses to wear socks and his feet stink up the whole office. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
14? If so we should talk. I'm new to the game and have boatloads of questions. | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
I laughed when the AL final vote are 5 RH relief pitchers, and no closers...where is Greg Holland? It is as if that MLB decided to throw darts at the teams and pick a relief pitcher. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:42 Phelix wrote: So this is the first year where Miguel Cabrera is finally the starter in the All-Star game...never thought about it that way before. I laughed when the AL final vote are 5 RH relief pitchers, and no closers...where is Greg Holland? It is as if that MLB decided to throw darts at the teams and pick a relief pitcher. Then the NL final vote is 5 hitters (Puig is going to win that, easily). The home run derby participants are out. For the NL: David Wright (c), Carlos Gonzalez, Michael Cuddyer (apparently they are good friends or something), and Bryce Harper (why the fuck) AL: Robinsin Cano (c), Prince Fielder, Chris Davis, and the fourth is TBD (please be Verlander) The fourth AL participant will be Yoenis Cespedes. Edit: Pedro Alvarez is replacing Carlos Gonzalez: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130711&content_id=53460210&vkey=pr_mlb&c_id=mlb | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
I fell asleep and didn't finish the game (lol) but good job getting back to .500 (hah). | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
99 mph 4-seamer, and a split finger pitch that falls off the table at 58 feet. He has a smooth effortless delivery. Many pitchers with his kind of delivery avoid injuries. The blue jays have a lot of high strike out guys. Therefore, it is hard to tell how good a strike out pitcher he really is without seeing more of him. I'd like to see Francona turn Cleveland around. | ||
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Path
United States145 Posts
Finally! Been waiting for this for forever! About time a no hitter gets added to his resume of 2 Cy Youngs and 2 rings. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17931 Posts
earlier Holland 125 pitches over 6 and 2/3. Generally, Texas lets their starters throw a lot more pitches because Nolan Ryan thinks "pitch count management" does very little to prevent injuries. I'll let you and Nolan debate this one. When you get to be president of a baseball team you can keep the pitch counts of all your pitchers under 90. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 14 2013 20:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: this week Lindblom threw 119 pitches over 5 innings that is more stressful than 148 pitches over 9 innings. earlier Holland 125 pitches over 6 and 2/3. Generally, Texas lets their starters throw a lot more pitches because Nolan Ryan thinks "pitch count management" does very little to prevent injuries. I'll let you and Nolan debate this one. When you get to be president of a baseball team you can keep the pitch counts of all your pitchers under 90. I think Ryan is generally right though, the pitch count control issue - Verducci's Rule or whatever, has probably swung too far. Every pitcher has a different body, it's up to the pitcher, the manager and the trainers to make that decision. | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
Though I do agree each pitcher has its own limits, and it has been a phenomena where pitchers are decreasing in velocity. I mean, Jered Weaver now throws high-80s fastballs and he's not even 30 yet. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 15 2013 03:43 Phelix wrote: The Verducci Rule is about young pitchers and how much they should pitch per season in order for their bodies to adjust to an increased workload next season. The reason is that young pitchers throw less innings in the minors (shorter season, I believe), and how if a young pitcher increases their workload in majors too much (+30 innings), there will be performance troubles/injury issues. Though I do agree each pitcher has its own limits, and it has been a phenomena where pitchers are decreasing in velocity. I mean, Jered Weaver now throws high-80s fastballs and he's not even 30 yet. I know what the rule is, but it's not a RULE. It's a conception, unproven. We can always find pitchers who increased their innings count or pitch count and were fine - you have to make the leap eventually. I haven't seen any research indicating if there's an ideal age or season to do it, but I feel like teams have been overly cautious. Jered Weaver was never really a hard thrower - his 4-seamer was always around 90-91 and remarkably straight. Who knows? | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
With that said I also agree with the Ryan approach. These two approaches/ideas combined is what I opine to be ideal. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17931 Posts
is taht a freak of nature guy like Mariano Rivera can use a pitch for only 1 inning that never hurts his arm for whatever mysterious reason. The pitch catches on and every starter in the minor leagues starts trying to throw it. However, in general in 1965 no starting pitcher would dare even begin to throw that kind of pitch. It was all 4-seam fast ball, overhand "12-6" curve, and straight change. The starters had the Ryan/Seaver drop and drive delivery that was immune to mild lower body tiredness. Tampa Bay does it right. Very few organizations follow their basic structure. As long as pitchers are screwing around with really odd pitches...and all you need to do is try to throw 20 or 30 of "the next big really cool pitch" to see for yourself how dangerous the pitch is. Sure, Tom Henke can throw an odd version of the split finger fastball and never hurt his arm. Lincecum could never throw this pitch because Henke's fist is the size of Lincecum's skull. The problem is that some starting pitchers are trying to throw this kind of pitch. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On July 15 2013 05:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: 1 big contributing factor towards pitching injuries is taht a freak of nature guy like Mariano Rivera can use a pitch for only 1 inning that never hurts his arm for whatever mysterious reason. The pitch catches on and every starter in the minor leagues starts trying to throw it. However, in general in 1965 no starting pitcher would dare even begin to throw that kind of pitch. It was all 4-seam fast ball, overhand "12-6" curve, and straight change. The starters had the Ryan/Seaver drop and drive delivery that was immune to mild lower body tiredness. Tampa Bay does it right. Very few organizations follow their basic structure. As long as pitchers are screwing around with really odd pitches...and all you need to do is try to throw 20 or 30 of "the next big really cool pitch" to see for yourself how dangerous the pitch is. Sure, Tom Henke can throw an odd version of the split finger fastball and never hurt his arm. Lincecum could never throw this pitch because Henke's fist is the size of Lincecum's skull. The problem is that some starting pitchers are trying to throw this kind of pitch. Which pitches do you think cause injuries besides the split finger fastball? I've heard the slider does, but if you told me I could throw a slider for 3 years before I blow out my shoulder but make the Show? I'd do it it in a heart beat. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anytime a guy gets out of his repeatable mechanics due to fatigue/overthrowing etc, then that's a heightened injury risk there's some research on sliders and injuries. there are some high profile starters who throw sliders more than 35% of the time suffering serious injuries, but it seems that curveballs are not that much safer. depends on how the guy throws it i guess http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-secondary-pitch-usage-impacts-attrition/ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/too-many-sliders/ http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/curve-ball-and-slider-pitchers-and-the-dl/ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brett-andersons-elbow-eaten-by-sliders/ | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17931 Posts
On July 15 2013 08:18 slyboogie wrote: Which pitches do you think cause injuries besides the split finger fastball? I've heard the slider does, but if you told me I could throw a slider for 3 years before I blow out my shoulder but make the Show? I'd do it it in a heart beat. if i were in "AAA" hitting .310 with no power. i'd be the first guy taking steroids. if i can increase my pay by 10 to 100 times i'm going to sacrifice my long term health. Also, if u only increase your weight by 10% or 20% you can live a long time after having taken steroids. Ben Johnson (he only gained a few pounds) isn't dying young from steroid use... its Eddie Guerrero and Ric Rude who increased their weight by 50% and died in their 30s and 40s actually, everyone's elbow and shoulder are built slightly differently so a pitch that pitcher "A" may be able to do with no problems with cab be big trouble pitcher "B". However, the safest pitches are the pitches that were thrown by starters who pitched complete games all the time in the 1950s 60s and 70s. So we are talking about the Seaver/Ryan/Fergie Jenkins repertoire plus the screw ball and knuckle ball. You can "feel" when a pitch is bad for you. just by throwing it a bunch of times. Basically , a pitcher should have as much shoulder and elbow pain and fatigue as the starting catcher experiences. It should be lactic acid type pain at most. Any kind of ligament strain or tendon inflammation is flat out unacceptable... if you try a new pitch and are given a hint of these tendon and ligament problems... you need to remove that pitch from your arsenal. The "no pain no gain" philosophy does not work when it comes to pitching. "working with the pain" only applies in certain calculated instances when recovering from an injury and the scar tissue is still breaking down. i know all these details through a combination of personal experience and my own research when trying to recover from soft tissue injuries. i played catcher and pitcher. On July 15 2013 10:08 oneofthem wrote: pitch count matters more when the guy is stressed and fatigued. i'm a big fan of the Seaver/Ryan drop and drive delivery for minimizing these stress and fatigue issues that arise after pitching for more than 60 minutes. Nolan Ryan may look like a fat old man now. The guy is a walking encyclopedia of pitching and baseball knowledge... and just a great baseball man in every respect. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On July 15 2013 11:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote: if i were in "AAA" hitting .310 with no power. i'd be the first guy taking steroids. if i can increase my pay by 10 to 100 times i'm going to sacrifice my long term health. exactly, same here. And the thing is that if you apply this to real-life jobs, most people would do the same. If you tell any professional that they can increase their performance and pay, by taking some pills, I am pretty sure the majority would do it. And I remember reading a good artice about Nolan Ryan and his pitching opinions. I looked for/ read more information on it b/c intrigued me so much (this was years ago before the Rangers recent success). The guy really is a baseball genius. | ||
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