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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 28 2014 19:04 GMT
#641
Many many HOF sluggers stay productive well into their late 30s. I haven't seen the details of the contract but I imagine it's frontloaded, and if not, the money he'll get near the end of the contract is basically compensation for the production he'll have in the immediate next few years. I haven't seen the stats but I imagine Cabrera's defense has barely any impact on his value.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 28 2014 19:08 GMT
#642
On March 29 2014 04:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Many many HOF sluggers stay productive well into their late 30s. I haven't seen the details of the contract but I imagine it's frontloaded, and if not, the money he'll get near the end of the contract is basically compensation for the production he'll have in the immediate next few years. I haven't seen the stats but I imagine Cabrera's defense has barely any impact on his value.

many? try 6 in the entirety of baseball history http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miguel-cabrera-s--292-million-deal-could-be-the-biggest-contract-mistake-in-baseball-history-051917319.html
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 28 2014 19:26 GMT
#643
And if you toss out Bonds, only one of them has played in the past forty years.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 28 2014 20:11 GMT
#644
On March 29 2014 04:08 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 04:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Many many HOF sluggers stay productive well into their late 30s. I haven't seen the details of the contract but I imagine it's frontloaded, and if not, the money he'll get near the end of the contract is basically compensation for the production he'll have in the immediate next few years. I haven't seen the stats but I imagine Cabrera's defense has barely any impact on his value.

many? try 6 in the entirety of baseball history http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miguel-cabrera-s--292-million-deal-could-be-the-biggest-contract-mistake-in-baseball-history-051917319.html


That's not really comparing apples to apples. The guy assumes $6 mil/win and uses that to generate the win curve of "6" players. But the cost of win goes up every year and even Cabrera underperforms, there are stages of underperformance. What if he has a Jeff Bagwell or Frank Robinson type career from 32-40? That'd be like 40 cumulative WAR? That's be fine. Even using the 6 million per win, that'd be 240 million of value. An overpay of 50 million over 9 years.

That's only bad, not ruinous. I don't think it's a good contract, the moment he declines, it's the worst contract in the league, probably. But it's not like...Barry Zito. He's the second best player in baseball.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 21:47:43
March 28 2014 21:46 GMT
#645
I know the guy uses 33-40 but if you start from 32,

Edgar Martinez 46.6 WAR from 32 to 40
Stan Musial 41.3 WAR
Ted Williams 43.9 WAR
Eddie Collins 44.4 WAR
Ty Cobb 45 WAR

and there are probably a few more. Cabrera was paid 82 million total in the last 4 years, if using 5m/win, he was underpaid 61 million during that span. And yes, Edgar Martinez was the most productive hitter from 32-40 on that list. This is using BBreference's WAR.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 03:03:06
March 29 2014 02:59 GMT
#646
Mike Trout signed a six year deal.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10692095/los-angeles-angels-mike-trout-agree-six-year-extension

EDIT: Thoughts, I wish they got one more year, but this is a magnificent contract. They said about $144/6? That's $24 million a year, including his 3-post-arbitration years. Totally worth it to get those three years. Especially since his 3rd arbitration year would probably be about $24 million anyways the way he's going.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 16:52:06
March 29 2014 16:38 GMT
#647
front loading is bad for the team, but cabrera should have an ok aging path because he's not a dead pull hitter. those hitters tend to deteriorate quickly. when he was a young player he was known for his batting rather than power, and that should stay with him for a long time.

tiger's owner is like 85 or osmething so he probably won't even live to see the end of the contract.


also, WAR tends to underrate DH because of the huge negative positional adjustment. it's not realistic given the level of offense put up by DH every year. they are not THAT good on average

edit: LOL trout contract holy shit. the angels making up for pujols
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 29 2014 16:53 GMT
#648
overrate or underrate?

Also, Trout's post arbitration years are probably going to be worth 24 million times 2.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 20:22:40
March 29 2014 17:44 GMT
#649
underrate. the war positional adjustment for DH is something like negative 15 runs iirc. but if you look at offense level across positions, DH is not that far ahead. it's not ahead of 1b.

been a while since i looked at the numbers but the rough picture is that the WAR positional adjustment assumes good DH are easier to find than they actually are in reality.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 02:34:05
March 29 2014 21:15 GMT
#650
On March 29 2014 03:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how many people do we need for a reasonable sized league? Like 8?

Again according to WAR, I believe Cabrera's contract is either spot on or slightly underpaying. Kinda surprised Sizemore got the starting CF job in Boston, he would be a huge bargain if he can play near at his previous level even minus the base stealing.


8 would probably work, but everyone would have to be active. People who barely do anything are bad enough in a 12 man league, in an 8 man league it'd be atrocious.

The Cabrera contract is stupid for the following reason: wait a few years, he has a hell of a lot less leverage when he's 32. There's no reason to dump that much money on one guy when he' may already be past his prime.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 16:04:51
March 31 2014 16:04 GMT
#651
I really wanna get a league going then. I haven't played in 3-4 years but I'm thinking we should get a league that uses some sabermetrics stats and get rid of W/L. Please post here if you are interested. I'm counting:

Me
Aveng3r
MassHysteria
rebdomine

Let's try to get at least 10. I just finished the TL NBA league and was active till the end.
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
March 31 2014 16:43 GMT
#652
Totally forgot that there were those 2 games in Australia between the Dodgers-D'backs counted for the regular season.

Opening Day has been so confusing to follow with no consistent date.
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 31 2014 16:44 GMT
#653
today is the real opening day
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
March 31 2014 19:23 GMT
#654
anybody at all getting the new thread going?
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SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
April 01 2014 00:30 GMT
#655
On April 01 2014 04:23 Aveng3r wrote:
anybody at all getting the new thread going?

Just make a new thread titled Official MLB 2014 Season Thread and include some big trades or signings for particular teams, if at all, they went through during the off-season. I would do it, but I haven't kept up to date as much, other than the Rangers.
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lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-01 11:43:10
April 01 2014 11:42 GMT
#656
i forgot to take my lazy pills this morning.
as a result, i made an MLB 2014 Thread here...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/447479-mlb-2014-season
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