EPTMLB Regular Season 2013 - Page 33
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On March 29 2014 04:04 zulu_nation8 wrote: Many many HOF sluggers stay productive well into their late 30s. I haven't seen the details of the contract but I imagine it's frontloaded, and if not, the money he'll get near the end of the contract is basically compensation for the production he'll have in the immediate next few years. I haven't seen the stats but I imagine Cabrera's defense has barely any impact on his value. many? try 6 in the entirety of baseball history http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miguel-cabrera-s--292-million-deal-could-be-the-biggest-contract-mistake-in-baseball-history-051917319.html | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On March 29 2014 04:08 Antoine wrote: many? try 6 in the entirety of baseball history http://sports.yahoo.com/news/miguel-cabrera-s--292-million-deal-could-be-the-biggest-contract-mistake-in-baseball-history-051917319.html That's not really comparing apples to apples. The guy assumes $6 mil/win and uses that to generate the win curve of "6" players. But the cost of win goes up every year and even Cabrera underperforms, there are stages of underperformance. What if he has a Jeff Bagwell or Frank Robinson type career from 32-40? That'd be like 40 cumulative WAR? That's be fine. Even using the 6 million per win, that'd be 240 million of value. An overpay of 50 million over 9 years. That's only bad, not ruinous. I don't think it's a good contract, the moment he declines, it's the worst contract in the league, probably. But it's not like...Barry Zito. He's the second best player in baseball. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Edgar Martinez 46.6 WAR from 32 to 40 Stan Musial 41.3 WAR Ted Williams 43.9 WAR Eddie Collins 44.4 WAR Ty Cobb 45 WAR and there are probably a few more. Cabrera was paid 82 million total in the last 4 years, if using 5m/win, he was underpaid 61 million during that span. And yes, Edgar Martinez was the most productive hitter from 32-40 on that list. This is using BBreference's WAR. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10692095/los-angeles-angels-mike-trout-agree-six-year-extension EDIT: Thoughts, I wish they got one more year, but this is a magnificent contract. They said about $144/6? That's $24 million a year, including his 3-post-arbitration years. Totally worth it to get those three years. Especially since his 3rd arbitration year would probably be about $24 million anyways the way he's going. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
tiger's owner is like 85 or osmething so he probably won't even live to see the end of the contract. also, WAR tends to underrate DH because of the huge negative positional adjustment. it's not realistic given the level of offense put up by DH every year. they are not THAT good on average edit: LOL trout contract holy shit. the angels making up for pujols | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Also, Trout's post arbitration years are probably going to be worth 24 million times 2. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
been a while since i looked at the numbers but the rough picture is that the WAR positional adjustment assumes good DH are easier to find than they actually are in reality. } | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On March 29 2014 03:46 zulu_nation8 wrote: how many people do we need for a reasonable sized league? Like 8? Again according to WAR, I believe Cabrera's contract is either spot on or slightly underpaying. Kinda surprised Sizemore got the starting CF job in Boston, he would be a huge bargain if he can play near at his previous level even minus the base stealing. 8 would probably work, but everyone would have to be active. People who barely do anything are bad enough in a 12 man league, in an 8 man league it'd be atrocious. The Cabrera contract is stupid for the following reason: wait a few years, he has a hell of a lot less leverage when he's 32. There's no reason to dump that much money on one guy when he' may already be past his prime. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
Me Aveng3r MassHysteria rebdomine Let's try to get at least 10. I just finished the TL NBA league and was active till the end. | ||
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Phelix
1931 Posts
Opening Day has been so confusing to follow with no consistent date. | ||
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On April 01 2014 04:23 Aveng3r wrote: anybody at all getting the new thread going? Just make a new thread titled Official MLB 2014 Season Thread and include some big trades or signings for particular teams, if at all, they went through during the off-season. I would do it, but I haven't kept up to date as much, other than the Rangers. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
as a result, i made an MLB 2014 Thread here... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sports/447479-mlb-2014-season | ||
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