EPTChampions League/Europa League Thread 2012-13 - Page 113
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Varane i think is a good CB for his age, but yes inexperience due to his age is very true, but i think vs Man Utd he proved he was very good. Again, Real Madrid imo have been getting towards the end of the season, yes they did have a huge piece of luck vs Man Utd, but they still have been doing fine. Ronaldo scoring for fun just means Real always have a chance. The only thing i would think Real do need though is to get Casilas back in goal, but i can't see that happening soon either, the only issue there team has for me. Oh and maybe Essien injury, if it is bad, they are fucked at RB | ||
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roym899
Germany426 Posts
On April 11 2013 17:53 ApocAlypsE007 wrote: Frankly I think Real Madrid is the weakest of the 4. The over dependance on CR7 and Xabi Alonso, the inability to do anything once the opponent just defends and counters, the inexperience of Varane and the sheer stupidity of Pepe, the bad season of Higuain and Benzema, any intellegent side will take an advantage like BVB did and like Ferguson did, I don't see Real winning vs any of the Germans, maybe Barca because they play only 1 play style no matter the opponent. Dortmund wouldn't stand a chance against Real Madrid in the Semi-Finals. They just don't have enough experience on such a high level of competetion. And tbh they had by far the easiest run of all teams in the semi-finals. Donetzk and Malaga were both like the easiest draws they could get and against Malaga they needed a ton of luck to make it to the best of 4. Ofc it's great moral they showed there, but in the end they just didn't played well when you lock at it very neutral. A team who can barely beat Malaga has NO chance against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Both these teams can play on a complete different level when it is really important. (same thing with the spanish national team) I think Dortmund might actually stand a chance against Bayern Munich because of the history between these 2 teams in the last few years. (but still on normal days Bayern Munich shouldn't have any problems advancing to the finals against them) As a Munich fan I hope for Bayern-Dortmund in the semi finals because as someone already stated: I think in a single game Dortmund could definitly win versus Bayern but not in two games. Bayern - Real and Bayern - Barca would be incredibly close games where it mostly comes down to luck who advances imho.. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
I do, however, agree with you that Dortmund lacks experience in elimination stages which will probably become a problem. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
If Barca plays like yesterday, they won't advance except if they encounter another lucky day. If they play at their best, I see them crush anyone. But can they do it twice? This season it hasn't happened yet (see vs Madrid in the Copa del Rey, and both the 1/8 and 1/4 finals). Real has been playing bad, they've not really improved over the season, but they're only dreaming about CL, so anything could happen with the players they have. Bayern has been the best of all 4, but they now have to assume the role of the favourite. They failed last year (or a miracle saved Chelsea, it depends from which side you're looking at it  ), will they repeat the failure? They got such a big grudge with Dortmund they could lose to them even if they're better, they can also get completely crushed by Barcelona's ball posession... Or crush them with counter attacking style.Dortmund is in the middle of this, with no pressure. Good or bad? Maybe in their head they already succeeded when they beat Malaga, you just had to look at their faces and their interviews. Maybe they won't be able to do it again? At least now they're the underdogs, no pressure. This might be the most expected semi finals of the last years! I'm so pumped. As a Barca fan, I would like to avoid Madrid, not because they're better, but because I think that now we are the one with a Madrid-complex. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
On April 11 2013 19:19 hns wrote: I'm by no means a BVB fan, but calling Donetzk the easiest draw possible for Dortmund is certainly not very accurate. Also, even though the way of advancing against Malaga was ultimately lucky and the game in Dortmund wasn't really a good one from BVB, the first leg in Malaga was pretty good. Götze just choked badly two times. These somewhat obvious .. let's call it underestimations compared with you being a Munich fan don't exactly make your post very credible, to be honest. I do, however, agree with you that Dortmund lacks experience in elimination stages which will probably become a problem. Lack of experience can go both ways.. I think Overmars said that their inexperience was actually an advantage in their win on the CL of '95. | ||
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Flood1993
Spain61 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:24 Stratos_speAr wrote: And who knocked out RM last year? Who did Barca lost to last year? Where has Germany been in the past three Euro/World Cups? No one is saying that Germany is the best, but trying to say that Spain is the best thing in football since sliced bread or that German football sucks is just pathetic. Well, here are some facts: National team: - 2008 Spain UEFA European Football Championship winner. - 2010 Spain FIFA World Cup winner. - 2012 Spain UEFA European Football Championship winner. - When will the streak end? Spanish clubs: 2005/2006 FC Barcelona Champions League winner. (Lost UEFA Super Cup, but to another Spanish club so...) 2005/2006 Sevilla CF UEFA Europa League with some other name I think + UEFA Super Cup winner. 2008/2009 FC Barcelona Champions League winner. (+ FIFA Club World Cup + UEFA Super Cup) 2010/2011 FC Barcelona Champions League winner. (+ FIFA Club World Cup + UEFA Super Cup) 2009/2010 Atlético de Madrid Europa League winner. (+ UEFA Super Cup) 2011/2012 Atlético de Madrid Europa League winner vs another spanish team in the final. (+ UEFA Super Cup) + 2 semi finalists in UEFA Champions League last year. + 2 semi finalists in UEFA Champions League this year. So... I think it's not too exaggerate saying that Spain is currently in such a sweet moment, that if we win Brazil's World Cup, could very well be considered the sweetest moment of any country in this sport. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On April 11 2013 18:59 roym899 wrote: Dortmund wouldn't stand a chance against Real Madrid in the Semi-Finals. They just don't have enough experience on such a high level of competetion. And tbh they had by far the easiest run of all teams in the semi-finals. Donetzk and Malaga were both like the easiest draws they could get and against Malaga they needed a ton of luck to make it to the best of 4. Ofc it's great moral they showed there, but in the end they just didn't played well when you lock at it very neutral. A team who can barely beat Malaga has NO chance against Real Madrid or Barcelona. Both these teams can play on a complete different level when it is really important. (same thing with the spanish national team) I think Dortmund might actually stand a chance against Bayern Munich because of the history between these 2 teams in the last few years. (but still on normal days Bayern Munich shouldn't have any problems advancing to the finals against them) As a Munich fan I hope for Bayern-Dortmund in the semi finals because as someone already stated: I think in a single game Dortmund could definitly win versus Bayern but not in two games. Bayern - Real and Bayern - Barca would be incredibly close games where it mostly comes down to luck who advances imho.. Let me remind you of this year's groupstage: Dortmund 2:1 Real Real 2:2 Dortmund. So what has changed since then? Why didn't experience matter in the groupstage? You think Real decided to assumed they would advance no matter what when it was playday 3&4 and didn't care about finishing second? Also you might to look at current La Liga season and find at least 3 teams that lost to Malaga and still went on to beat Real. a>b>=c so a>c doesn't work in football, a better team might still have a bad day and loose to a worse team. I'd agree that Dortmund will be the outsider against Real, but to say they "wouldn't stand a chance" is not justified by your arguments. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Sure Real Madrid was playing to be first of the group, but now it would be a very different match. I still think that Dortmund plays better than RM and I would be cheering for them but if we're talking about betting money, mine would be on RM. I'm afraid for Dortmund that they're already satisfied to be in the semis. A bit like Milan after defeating Barca, the players were celebrating like they had already advanced. And that's not only the players I'm talking about, just look at the different reactions from the 4 coaches after being qualified for the semi. Klopp was soooo happy. Too much, even given the circumstances,I think. Being the underdog would put few pressure, but I'm not convinced it's all positive... I see them have more chance to advance against Bayern because they will have something to lose (their pride). | ||
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Iorveth
Cayman Islands62 Posts
Barca = Bayern | ||
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sharkie
Austria18706 Posts
I wonder how long it lasts ^^ | ||
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
On April 11 2013 06:24 Stratos_speAr wrote: And who knocked out RM last year? Who did Barca lost to last year? Where has Germany been in the past three Euro/World Cups? No one is saying that Germany is the best, but trying to say that Spain is the best thing in football since sliced bread or that German football sucks is just pathetic. Questioning my "football culture" is an arrogant, snob-ish and hypocritical (when calling me arrogant) move no matter which way you slice it. It's exactly the thing that contributes to the picture of "arrogant European fans" that many American soccer fans have, where Europeans look down their nose on us just because football isn't the most popular sport here. If you can't realize this, it's similar to telling me that it's ok for you to use the term "wetback" and not having it be an insult to Mexicans, just because you didn't mean it that way. It makes you ignorant to the point of culpability. the only thing that really annoys me with american football fans is that they only know premier league,think its THE league and dismiss everything else as inferior. youre a bvb fan,youre clear  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 11 2013 20:37 RvB wrote: Lack of experience can go both ways.. I think Overmars said that their inexperience was actually an advantage in their win on the CL of '95. Thats true but that was a ridiculously talented team aswell. That having been said so is Dortmund, but the way they are responding to the games is a bit edgy. Didnt see any of that in the Ajax team. Was all hotshot kids leggoo.. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh well, in the semi finals we shall go  | ||
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anomalopidae
Slovenia549 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Holy shit. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18706 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
Also, congrats to Basel. I think they deserved it based on the chances they created at WHL. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
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