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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
I really can't hold onto the bar without something, I don't think it's grip strength it just slips out, can't get a good hold on it. EDIT: Why are wrist straps bad? It's not a grip exercise so I can't see a reason to drop weight just so I could hold the bar? | ||
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Malinor
Germany4740 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
I'm not even sure with using chalk my grip would be strong enough for a full workout with the same weight. I could start trying to do stuff for grip but still have the issue of chalk being banned. | ||
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Luxae
Israel232 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On February 18 2012 00:46 Luxae wrote: Look into liquid chalk, Deadeight. I haven't had any experience with it myself, but I've heard it's as useful as actual chalk and obviously not as messy. Ok brilliant, thanks for the tip. I'll pick up a bottle and try it next week. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On February 18 2012 00:39 Deadeight wrote: Yeah that's the hold I do, I alternate between sets. I just get really sweaty at the gym. I'm not even sure with using chalk my grip would be strong enough for a full workout with the same weight. I could start trying to do stuff for grip but still have the issue of chalk being banned. at ~140kg, you shouldn't need straps or chalk really; hell, I'm pulling that much with a double overhand grip right now, and if you ask anyone in this thread I'm weak as shit. If you had worked up from a lighter deadlift without straps, then I'm sure you would be fine. Since you didn't, it's now biting you in the ass, and I would really suggest grip work. Farmers walks, plate pinches, and heavy heavy dumbbell rows. | ||
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
Shrugs and deadlifts are what most people really need straps for. What i started doing to help with deadlifting is let go of the bar at the bottom. I don't drop it but after i put it down i let go for 3 seconds and then regrip and go again. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On February 18 2012 01:29 phyre112 wrote: at ~140kg, you shouldn't need straps or chalk really; hell, I'm pulling that much with a double overhand grip right now, and if you ask anyone in this thread I'm weak as shit. If you had worked up from a lighter deadlift without straps, then I'm sure you would be fine. Since you didn't, it's now biting you in the ass, and I would really suggest grip work. Farmers walks, plate pinches, and heavy heavy dumbbell rows. I expect I'll use at least liquid chalk. I sweat like a pig at the gym, the thing I hate most about the gym is normally how much my eyes sting. I have no idea about my grip. I think maybe I'll take your advice and just work on it. I dumbbell row for 5 sets of 8 reps at 42.5kg, so I guess maybe it's not too bad. I'm wary of doing really heavy dumbbell rows as I start cheating if I do, and my body moves. However, can anyone tell me why you shouldn't use wraps? Is it more of a "If you had to use wraps, you didn't actually dead lift that weight."? EDIT: Also, I'm surprised! 140kg definitely felt pretty heavy for 5 x 5. Sounds like I've got quite a way to go. | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4740 Posts
On February 18 2012 01:40 TheResidentEvil wrote: You should not use straps if you can avoid it but be realistic here. When deadlifting your grip is obviously going to give out before your back/hams do. Just wanted to comment that this is definitely not true for everybody. My grip is strong enough to get a 250kg deadlift up, but my lower back isn't. Grip was a problem earlier in my deadlifting-career, but by just pulling heavy all the time it did catch up, I didn't really do extra grip work besides some high-rep DB-Rows from time to time. And 140kg for 5x5, that is some manly workload. I hate going for several heavy deadlift sets | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4740 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On February 18 2012 02:28 Deadeight wrote: One set?! I'm not on a program, still researching what I need to be doing. Dead lift to me a couple of weeks ago on my rowing workout was 5 sets of 12. So today I just bumped of the weight and dropped the reps. I am quickly seeing I'm pretty clueless outside of the really specific weights I used to do. Are you resseting your grip afer each rep? cause if not no wonder the bar slips. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
I'm looking at something called 5-3-1 at the moment, but I don't really like the idea of one week in every four being a deload week, like I'm having a period once a month and can't work out. Of course though I understand there's going to be science behind it, I just don't like the idea of it. I looked at the stickys and saw the advanced novice program, and I'd really like to be doing more than 3 sets for stuff. It might be because I've had a couple of years of endurance stuff and building up a ton of slow twitch, lactate tolerance etc etc, but after three sets of the most I can lift for 5 reps I'm not hurting enough. Thanks in advance for any help. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:02 GoTuNk! wrote: Are you resseting your grip afer each rep? cause if not no wonder the bar slips. Not when I used the wrist strap things, wasn't necessary. When I did 5 x 12 I would do the first set or two with hands only and reset my grip, but after then I was just too sweaty, it was dripping off me. It would be slipping out of my hands as I was pulling up and I was wary of it just dropping on my kneecaps or something. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:06 Deadeight wrote: Ok, well I think it's going to take a lot to educate myself on what I should be doing, so I'm going to take the easy route and find a program. Can anyone recommend one? I just want pure strength, all I want out of it is to lift heavy ass weights. I can lift fairly heavy stuff already if this makes a difference. I'm looking at something called 5-3-1 at the moment, but I don't really like the idea of one week in every four being a deload week, like I'm having a period once a month and can't work out. Of course though I understand there's going to be science behind it, I just don't like the idea of it. I looked at the stickys and saw the advanced novice program, and I'd really like to be doing more than 3 sets for stuff. It might be because I've had a couple of years of endurance stuff and building up a ton of slow twitch, lactate tolerance etc etc, but after three sets of the most I can lift for 5 reps I'm not hurting enough. Thanks in advance for any help. Starting Strength, if you're new, is fine. Or StrongLifts. If your lift numbers are up above 1.5x squat/dl then sure do an intermediate program. Otherwise, not stick with a novice program | ||
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BlondeOnBlonde
Canada150 Posts
More of the same. Me pulling some iron on a friday afternoon. 225kg from 4 inch deficit @ 81Kg BW. Nothing heavy, just going through the motion after 7 days without training because of sickness... | ||
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Zafrumi
Switzerland1272 Posts
On February 18 2012 03:06 Deadeight wrote: Ok, well I think it's going to take a lot to educate myself on what I should be doing, so I'm going to take the easy route and find a program. Can anyone recommend one? I just want pure strength, all I want out of it is to lift heavy ass weights. I can lift fairly heavy stuff already if this makes a difference. I'm looking at something called 5-3-1 at the moment, but I don't really like the idea of one week in every four being a deload week, like I'm having a period once a month and can't work out. Of course though I understand there's going to be science behind it, I just don't like the idea of it. I looked at the stickys and saw the advanced novice program, and I'd really like to be doing more than 3 sets for stuff. It might be because I've had a couple of years of endurance stuff and building up a ton of slow twitch, lactate tolerance etc etc, but after three sets of the most I can lift for 5 reps I'm not hurting enough. Thanks in advance for any help. the problem is that doing more than 3 sets is kind of getting in the way with your other goal (gaining pure strength). muscles dont just grow out of nowhere. you have to stimulate them. and the stimulus needs to be pretty big for muscles to grow. and since you can lift more weight if you just do three sets rather than 5 sets, you will grow more muscle tissues on a 3x5 program. 5x5 is fine for beginners. but everyone reaches a point where they cant progress linearly anymore on 5x5 because the volume is just too big. now, imo there are two options for you: stick with stronglifts 5x5 program until you cant finish all 5 sets on your squat anymore, then switch to starting strength or even the advanced novice program. or you can jump right into the advanced novice program and wait a few weeks until you reach the proper weights. in either case, dont do 5 sets of deadlifts :p one or two heavy sets is plenty. and keep adding weight to the bar! hope this helps | ||
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decafchicken
United States20161 Posts
On February 18 2012 05:38 BlondeOnBlonde wrote: http://youtu.be/BFG-kBPZFOY More of the same. Me pulling some iron on a friday afternoon. 225kg from 4 inch deficit @ 81Kg BW. Nothing heavy, just going through the motion after 7 days without training because of sickness... You and I, sir have differing opinions on the word "heavy" | ||
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