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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
February 18 2012 01:10 GMT
#1501
On February 18 2012 08:59 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 08:14 Daigomi wrote:
On February 18 2012 06:49 FFGenerations wrote:
well i failed my 5th rep of bench, just managed to get it on the lower peg
i was menna sleep 4-5 hours after work before going but put on broodwar and only slept 1 -_-
my sessions are all fubar atm
im gonna go tomorrow and try my bench again, fuck delaying it for a 2nd time
plus my housemate has banned me from using his stuff when i came home. how the fuck am i supposed to know you cant boil fucking milk in a kettle

(my fucked up last 10 days https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjIvzoW04fGQdFM0YXVXRXNGVmZpMmZpa0JYM2stYWc )


sucks when you keep disappointing yourself over and over again, i fuckin stress and feel shit about it constantly . thats how change is generated tho i guess <:

Don't be too hard on yourself. I mention this a lot, but reading that weightlifting is a marathon and not a sprint has helped my mindset a lot. In the end, as long as you go for it 100% every session, you will improve and you will consistently lift heavier weights. There's also nothing to be disappointed in: You gave 100%, your body just didn't have enough time to build enough muscle yet, so it's telling you to stick to the same weight for a short time longer. Since you're not in control of how quickly your body grows muscle (given that you do your best to eat well and rest well), you can't really be disappointed in yourself if your body is taking its time.

Also, looking at your numbers, your bench is incredibly high compared to your other lifts. For me, ever since I reached 65kgs with bench I've been taking 3 sessions before increasing the weight every single time. Since you're at 70kgs now, all I can say is get used to failing fairly regularly. That's just how it goes. If you didn't start failing now, you'd hit 100kg bench in two months, which is unreasonable. 100kg bench is damn big, and it takes everyone a long time to get there, so don't be pissed off if you don't have perfectly linear improvement anymore.



thanks for the encouragement hehe. my bench is higher because ive been "trying" to do SS for literally...2-3 maybe years now. and kept going back to alcohol, getting lazy, losing the mindset, disorganised etc each time. bench was the lift i prioritised most of all tho.

my kinda "problem" that i need to solve currently is that going to work and going to the gym takes literally EVERYTHING out of me mentally , and seemingly physically. most people my age have gone through regular studying, regular work, AND regular socialising/something else for a long time, they grew up doing it and are accustomed to it. but me, i always look miserable/serious (people at work say stuff like "dont look so serious!", i get nervous around people a lot, blushing and feeling awkward often around girls for no reason (i work with a ton of girls and only 1 guy, and have NO friends except one woman who is a bit crazy, so i think im seriously lacking a male "role model" to help me develop a bit).

what im gonna do after tonight is stop coming to TLHF/forum again. i done that ok-ish a little while ago. the reasoning is i need to stop stressing about gym. i mean my entire life revolves around going to gym on time, going to work on time (i only work 4-6 hours a day), sleeping (9-10 hours a day always now) and eating (eating well now). but almost ALWAYS i still feel constantly clouded-minded and un-refreshed. like i cant relax ever even though my "free time" is sitting here watching broodwar when im not asleep.

when i started my last job i was managing to smile and shit at people (i only JUST learnt to smile properly at people, at the age of 27.... its not something i can really do without focusing on it . i just interact with a lot of people expression-lessly really and it bugs me that its so hard to make myself smile naturally. the people who "initiate" a smile with me i can respond to quite well, but for me to smile at someone when theyre not already smiling at me? well i need to spend more time practicing in the mirror, i guess you get confidence that way because you know when you're doing it right and not just leering/looking awful.)

anyway today i went to see someone about a new (2nd) job and noticed that my "confidence" (lack of anxiety) was way better than it was before christmas. i keep telling myself its just a matter of time - at the end of this month when my lifts are finally higher than they've ever been ill feel a lot better about myself. but then i wonder why the fuck that should matter - why cant i be satisfied and confident about who i am NOW? will i always be stressing over chasing the next number, the next thing? and stressing over every time i sleep too late? one answer is to continue to minimise the "failures" and continue to build up my "successes". shit like anxiety and not being about to smile at people will fade away over time if i pursue that.

i find shit so motherfucking complicated, you know. i just dont have a solid, stable base, a set of core values. i keep wondering "how" i should act - how do i want to "act" around people, and why is it so hard? i want to smile at people and be fun and joke around and make girls horny, whilst doing my job as well as i do it. but it just takes so much out of me, i keep confusing myself with constant shit like "was i nice enough? did i sound like an asshole? did i really want to say that? why didnt i say what i wanted to say? do i really want to be so confrontational? am i whining a lot? should i take more interest in people? should i do this, that, blah blah..." i rushed past some guy on the street the other day (i was late for something) and he yelled quietly "fuckin twat", then immediately i was angry at him , then i was wondering if i should be mature and cool, if i was right to be angry, if im a confrontational person/how confrontational human beings are, and most of all WHY the fuck am i obsessing over shit like this? its because a) i dont have an answer, stablity, practice. and b) because i dont have better shit to think about?

idk why i find everything such a strain. my manager at work said she doesnt know either - i have a decent job that i do well, i go to the gym, i have a place to live, theres nothing wrong with me so why do i feel like there is! even when i dont want to feel this way! all in the mind isnt it. anyway, time and perserverence , and the occaisional rant to make me feel better and remind me about the things i should be doing (must practice my smile lol)

It sounds like you just have a lot of social anxiety, which is really shitty to have but will improve as you grow in confidence and keep socializing with people. I think most people go through phases where they have social anxiety issues (I definitely did) but eventually learn to cope with it.

Regarding the exercise, don't stress too much about it but keep at it. I often feel that people oversell the magical powers of exercise, but I do think it's really good at teaching discipline and a strong inner belief.

To not stress, try to stay realistic about the exercise and your goals. The way SS is designed means that you will fail sets regularly, but that's good because it means you are pushing yourself to your limits with every session. Accept that failing sets is a large part of the experience and don't stress about it when it happens. For me, the fact that there is a system in place for when you fail three sets in a row (deloading) just shows that you are expected to fail three sets in a row occasionally, and even then it's not supposed to be bad. I think Rippetoe said that deloading is a good thing, because it means you're one step closer to becoming an intermediate lifter.

Also remember that the rest/calories/macros are all just tools designed to help you optimise your exercise. You have no obligation to be optimal. I'm supposed to be eating 2000 calories on rest days and 3000 calories on workout days. So far this week my calories have been: 2100, 1900*, 1750, 2600, 2600*, 1800, 2100* (asterisk indicating workout days). That's anything but optimal. As a result, my exercise hasn't been great this week. Today's session looked as follows:

Squat (110kg): 3-2-4
Deadlift (145kg): 1
Press (55kg) 2-3-3

Once again, that's pretty piss poor. However, I'm not too stressed about it. As a result of me not eating enough food, I'm losing weight I was planning to lose a few weeks from now (I've lost about 1kg this week out of 7kgs that need to go). Also, I am still improving my lifts (albeit slowly). I've never squatted 110kgs before, so any reps on 110kgs is an improvement. With deadlift I couldn't lift one rep of 140kgs two weeks ago, so the one rep on 145kgs today means I'm stronger than I was 2 weeks ago. Same goes for press.

The only thing that can stand in your way of lifting some pretty big weights six months from now (even if everything hasn't been optimal) is your commitment to keep improving. As long as you make a reasonable attempt to maintain your eating and resting and continue exercising, you'll be much, much stronger than you are now (which is already much stronger than you were two months ago). You'll also be much more confident in your own ability to persevere.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 01:48:21
February 18 2012 01:46 GMT
#1502
On February 18 2012 09:39 TheResidentEvil wrote:
you are so right brah. i mean this guy



650 lb deadlift but who cares. he got straps


I dont believe in straps


how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 02:09:56
February 18 2012 02:03 GMT
#1503
On February 18 2012 10:46 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 09:39 TheResidentEvil wrote:
you are so right brah. i mean this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdv8a_imMRE&feature=plcp&context=C308aa8cUDOEgsToPDskIEKvqkNe99VoL6SQsPmk70

650 lb deadlift but who cares. he got straps


I dont believe in straps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9icMyTX7zro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdHFBRwAN0Y&context=C3e06dc9ADOEgsToPDskIGNwxLjlFxK6RQcN6QkYpQ


Ooh ooh let me play let me play...



World record deadlift holder, uses straps in training.

Edit: FWIW, that's an impressive lift, it would appear you're not even chalked up, and you look relatively light(not sure how tall you are so can't really guess a weight) so I'm sure it was 2.5x+; that doesn't mean straps are bad in training though =p
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TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 02:04:44
February 18 2012 02:04 GMT
#1504
straps are OK!

infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
February 18 2012 02:30 GMT
#1505
got 93kgx2 bench today
Could've gotten 3 for sure if I weren't so drained from presses and weighted pulls but it's just a supplemental workout so w/e
Going to get 91kgx5 next week. 100kgx5 in another 3 weeks if I can keep up linear-ish progression :D
Official Entusman #21
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
February 18 2012 02:30 GMT
#1506
I dont post here often but seeing how everyone is talking about deadlifts I need something to replace it and barbell rows. Why, well here is why: Doing some deadlifting right, nothing heavy only about 225lbs for stronglifts. And then some juiced up freak walks over from doing his 300lbs. bicep curls and says "Stop banging the weight on the ground if you cant keep the weight from touching the floor take some plates off, fucking kids" He then proceded to walk off and talk to his other similarly built friends who continued to remark with similarly rude comments. I do not know for sure they are on roids but considering their arms are about as thick as my chest and i have a 35" chest I dont think they are entirely clean.

Would rows on a machine be sufficient replacement for barbell rows?
I do not know what would replace DL though, Maybe leg press or something?
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 02:42:23
February 18 2012 02:41 GMT
#1507
Who gives a shit? Just ignore him. It's not his gym.
And if he keeps giving you crap, complain to the owner
Official Entusman #21
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20170 Posts
February 18 2012 02:42 GMT
#1508
Ignore those fucking trolls. Keep doing what you're doing.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
February 18 2012 02:51 GMT
#1509
Thats the problem since he is an Adult and im only 16 he can complain to the owner that the noise i'm making is bothering him and then some of the staff will tell me to stop/revoke my mebership to be honest the gym says they would like patrons to attempt to keep the noise to a minimum so i go late at night when it would bother as few people as possible, unfortunately the other crowd that comes late at night is those guys. I even in respect to the try and keep noise down request, set the bar down rather then drop so it was only making a slight clanking and in all honesty there is only so much noise 225lbs. can make. Not to mention I dont want to be jumped in the parking lot by someone 4x my size
BlondeOnBlonde
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada150 Posts
February 18 2012 03:11 GMT
#1510
On February 18 2012 09:36 Zafrumi wrote:


that may be, but a 405 deadlift with straps will never be as impressive (and thus manly!) as a 405 deadlift without straps


Anything under 600lbs is not really an impressive deadlift if you ask me...
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
February 18 2012 03:12 GMT
#1511
If the owner will kick you out for making a little noise doing DLs, then you need to switch gyms.
Official Entusman #21
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 18 2012 03:30 GMT
#1512
On February 18 2012 12:11 BlondeOnBlonde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 09:36 Zafrumi wrote:


that may be, but a 405 deadlift with straps will never be as impressive (and thus manly!) as a 405 deadlift without straps


Anything under 600lbs is not really an impressive deadlift if you ask me...


All depends on the BW imo someone doing 405 at 135 bw is more impressive than someone at 250 bw doing 600.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20170 Posts
February 18 2012 03:34 GMT
#1513
On February 18 2012 12:11 BlondeOnBlonde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 09:36 Zafrumi wrote:


that may be, but a 405 deadlift with straps will never be as impressive (and thus manly!) as a 405 deadlift without straps


Anything under 600lbs is not really an impressive deadlift if you ask me...

Any triple bw DL is pretty damn impressive and took a kit of work. Obv takes more at higher weights but still fucking awesome at 62kg.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BlondeOnBlonde
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada150 Posts
February 18 2012 03:48 GMT
#1514
No disrespect, but I personally don't find 405lbs to be impressive, even for 62kg... I pull 3x bw and I wouldn't say I'm advanced. A bit above average at best.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
February 18 2012 04:06 GMT
#1515
On February 18 2012 11:51 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
Thats the problem since he is an Adult and im only 16 he can complain to the owner that the noise i'm making is bothering him and then some of the staff will tell me to stop/revoke my mebership to be honest the gym says they would like patrons to attempt to keep the noise to a minimum so i go late at night when it would bother as few people as possible, unfortunately the other crowd that comes late at night is those guys. I even in respect to the try and keep noise down request, set the bar down rather then drop so it was only making a slight clanking and in all honesty there is only so much noise 225lbs. can make. Not to mention I dont want to be jumped in the parking lot by someone 4x my size


man i feel so grateful that i have a strong workout partner. whenever i learn something new like dropping the bar once you go past your knees for deadlifts, no one can say anything to me cuz my partner lifts A LOT. i mean i notice heads turning toward me on the mirror, but they can't do anything because they probably think my partner will tell me what they have in mind - but he's seen my gains and he can't tell me otherwise, and most of all he listens.

i can't really say anything to your situation, but i'd try working out in the mornings if you really don't want to deal with them. if their behaviors are deviant as you have described, you don't want to take any chances. those types of guys tend to do stupid things around here. or maybe think about switching gyms.

i want to mention that those types of behavior are really really rare so keep your head up. that's one of my motivations too..lift so hard so that the next time i lift, people can't look at you like "oh god another kid trying to lift way more than he can" cuz i'm at the point where i lift just as much as the bigger (stupid) guys here thanks to ss and tl. gl man
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 18 2012 04:07 GMT
#1516
On February 18 2012 12:48 BlondeOnBlonde wrote:
No disrespect, but I personally don't find 405lbs to be impressive, even for 62kg... I pull 3x bw and I wouldn't say I'm advanced. A bit above average at best.


lol you have high ass standards, good to you youll probably be pulling closer to 3.5 eventually if ya work atit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
February 18 2012 04:52 GMT
#1517
On February 18 2012 12:48 BlondeOnBlonde wrote:
No disrespect, but I personally don't find 405lbs to be impressive, even for 62kg... I pull 3x bw and I wouldn't say I'm advanced. A bit above average at best.


You might also be more genetically predisposed to being stronger than most.

3x bw is elite as it gets for some people. Most people I've seen takes at least 3-4 solid years of training to get up near 3x bodyweight so it's more along the lines of advanced... and I think advanced is fairly impressive for most folks given it takes actual dedication to do (which most people are lacking nowadays).

But yeah, in the grand scheme of things (10+ years training) hopefully everyone can get up around that level of strength
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 05:26:11
February 18 2012 05:25 GMT
#1518
On February 18 2012 11:30 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:
I dont post here often but seeing how everyone is talking about deadlifts I need something to replace it and barbell rows. Why, well here is why: Doing some deadlifting right, nothing heavy only about 225lbs for stronglifts. And then some juiced up freak walks over from doing his 300lbs. bicep curls and says "Stop banging the weight on the ground if you cant keep the weight from touching the floor take some plates off, fucking kids" He then proceded to walk off and talk to his other similarly built friends who continued to remark with similarly rude comments. I do not know for sure they are on roids but considering their arms are about as thick as my chest and i have a 35" chest I dont think they are entirely clean.

Would rows on a machine be sufficient replacement for barbell rows?
I do not know what would replace DL though, Maybe leg press or something?


Nothing replaces deadlifts. Ignore that guy, complaint to the owner if he threatens you again and if ignored find another gym.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
February 18 2012 09:07 GMT
#1519
Low bar squats feel soooo much better then high bar but fuck, my wrists feel like they're going to snap. Still working on that flexibility...

Also was on my last set of 120lb overheads and I just couldn't do it and crumpled on my back with shame.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
February 18 2012 09:09 GMT
#1520
On February 18 2012 08:59 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 08:14 Daigomi wrote:
On February 18 2012 06:49 FFGenerations wrote:
well i failed my 5th rep of bench, just managed to get it on the lower peg
i was menna sleep 4-5 hours after work before going but put on broodwar and only slept 1 -_-
my sessions are all fubar atm
im gonna go tomorrow and try my bench again, fuck delaying it for a 2nd time
plus my housemate has banned me from using his stuff when i came home. how the fuck am i supposed to know you cant boil fucking milk in a kettle

(my fucked up last 10 days https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjIvzoW04fGQdFM0YXVXRXNGVmZpMmZpa0JYM2stYWc )


sucks when you keep disappointing yourself over and over again, i fuckin stress and feel shit about it constantly . thats how change is generated tho i guess <:

Don't be too hard on yourself. I mention this a lot, but reading that weightlifting is a marathon and not a sprint has helped my mindset a lot. In the end, as long as you go for it 100% every session, you will improve and you will consistently lift heavier weights. There's also nothing to be disappointed in: You gave 100%, your body just didn't have enough time to build enough muscle yet, so it's telling you to stick to the same weight for a short time longer. Since you're not in control of how quickly your body grows muscle (given that you do your best to eat well and rest well), you can't really be disappointed in yourself if your body is taking its time.

Also, looking at your numbers, your bench is incredibly high compared to your other lifts. For me, ever since I reached 65kgs with bench I've been taking 3 sessions before increasing the weight every single time. Since you're at 70kgs now, all I can say is get used to failing fairly regularly. That's just how it goes. If you didn't start failing now, you'd hit 100kg bench in two months, which is unreasonable. 100kg bench is damn big, and it takes everyone a long time to get there, so don't be pissed off if you don't have perfectly linear improvement anymore.



thanks for the encouragement hehe. my bench is higher because ive been "trying" to do SS for literally...2-3 maybe years now. and kept going back to alcohol, getting lazy, losing the mindset, disorganised etc each time. bench was the lift i prioritised most of all tho.

my kinda "problem" that i need to solve currently is that going to work and going to the gym takes literally EVERYTHING out of me mentally , and seemingly physically. most people my age have gone through regular studying, regular work, AND regular socialising/something else for a long time, they grew up doing it and are accustomed to it. but me, i always look miserable/serious (people at work say stuff like "dont look so serious!", i get nervous around people a lot, blushing and feeling awkward often around girls for no reason (i work with a ton of girls and only 1 guy, and have NO friends except one woman who is a bit crazy, so i think im seriously lacking a male "role model" to help me develop a bit).

what im gonna do after tonight is stop coming to TLHF/forum again. i done that ok-ish a little while ago. the reasoning is i need to stop stressing about gym. i mean my entire life revolves around going to gym on time, going to work on time (i only work 4-6 hours a day), sleeping (9-10 hours a day always now) and eating (eating well now). but almost ALWAYS i still feel constantly clouded-minded and un-refreshed. like i cant relax ever even though my "free time" is sitting here watching broodwar when im not asleep.

when i started my last job i was managing to smile and shit at people (i only JUST learnt to smile properly at people, at the age of 27.... its not something i can really do without focusing on it . i just interact with a lot of people expression-lessly really and it bugs me that its so hard to make myself smile naturally. the people who "initiate" a smile with me i can respond to quite well, but for me to smile at someone when theyre not already smiling at me? well i need to spend more time practicing in the mirror, i guess you get confidence that way because you know when you're doing it right and not just leering/looking awful.)

anyway today i went to see someone about a new (2nd) job and noticed that my "confidence" (lack of anxiety) was way better than it was before christmas. i keep telling myself its just a matter of time - at the end of this month when my lifts are finally higher than they've ever been ill feel a lot better about myself. but then i wonder why the fuck that should matter - why cant i be satisfied and confident about who i am NOW? will i always be stressing over chasing the next number, the next thing? and stressing over every time i sleep too late? one answer is to continue to minimise the "failures" and continue to build up my "successes". shit like anxiety and not being about to smile at people will fade away over time if i pursue that.

i find shit so motherfucking complicated, you know. i just dont have a solid, stable base, a set of core values. i keep wondering "how" i should act - how do i want to "act" around people, and why is it so hard? i want to smile at people and be fun and joke around and make girls horny, whilst doing my job as well as i do it. but it just takes so much out of me, i keep confusing myself with constant shit like "was i nice enough? did i sound like an asshole? did i really want to say that? why didnt i say what i wanted to say? do i really want to be so confrontational? am i whining a lot? should i take more interest in people? should i do this, that, blah blah..." i rushed past some guy on the street the other day (i was late for something) and he yelled quietly "fuckin twat", then immediately i was angry at him , then i was wondering if i should be mature and cool, if i was right to be angry, if im a confrontational person/how confrontational human beings are, and most of all WHY the fuck am i obsessing over shit like this? its because a) i dont have an answer, stablity, practice. and b) because i dont have better shit to think about?

idk why i find everything such a strain. my manager at work said she doesnt know either - i have a decent job that i do well, i go to the gym, i have a place to live, theres nothing wrong with me so why do i feel like there is! even when i dont want to feel this way! all in the mind isnt it. anyway, time and perserverence , and the occaisional rant to make me feel better and remind me about the things i should be doing (must practice my smile lol)

I had this problem. Somwhere I realized that trying to please others wasn't the way to go. I made a concious effort to speak my mind and act as I saw fit. You can take pride in being real, and apparently its ok with most people, I get alot more respect now, from people and myself. Be who you are, not to impress or please, but because its makes you feel good
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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