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On July 05 2012 04:30 Luxae wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 07:53 mordek wrote:Should have asked for a spotter after moving up to a new weight on bench (190lb). Thought the pressure would help me will it up XD Instead I got two guys coming over to pick it up off me. sigh. oh well  The same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago, only instead of 2 guys helping me it was an older gentleman who came in the weight room with a walker. So, yeah... Also, benching 100kg for the first time tomorrow. I'm already getting psyched up for it.
congrats maan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i like bench press!! but its annoying that OHP works triceps so soon after benching. what about your chest muscles tho? having a phat chest is quite important to some people i think. my ribs stick out so i kinda want a huge chest that sticks out further than my ribs /rant
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On July 05 2012 06:43 Osmoses wrote:
Dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me. Dunno about dropping bench press though, for me that's just the one lift that is so technically easy that I can just focus on strength, which makes it fun.
I'm not benching either, and haven't for a while. Benching really doesn't seem to help you do anything other than bench - it's only important if you're a power lifter or a bro trying to show off to his buddies. OHP, close grip bench, and dips hit the same muscles, but they do so in a way that has a lot more carryover to sports and to other movements.
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On July 05 2012 07:26 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:43 Osmoses wrote:
Dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me. Dunno about dropping bench press though, for me that's just the one lift that is so technically easy that I can just focus on strength, which makes it fun. I'm not benching either, and haven't for a while. Benching really doesn't seem to help you do anything other than bench - it's only important if you're a power lifter or a bro trying to show off to his buddies. OHP, close grip bench, and dips hit the same muscles, but they do so in a way that has a lot more carryover to sports and to other movements.
I agree with this. Recently I've been going so wide to hit the highest weight as well I question it's use even in like rugby. Since I started OHP/dips it seems to have done more for my hand-offs and rucking/mauls than bench ever did.
And with strongman there is no benching event. Upper body pushing is all overhead work.
Although I agree with you Osmoses that it's fun. I was reluctant to drop it but after today I really enjoyed log press so want to focus on that.
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Bench is a great assistance exercise for OHP.
Plus if you want a huge upper body, benching is a must. Kinda like squats for legs.
If you wanna look like a greek statue, presses, deadlifts and oly lifts are the way.
Anyways:
Smolov day 2:
Squat 130kgx7x5
Easier than monday, jamming 150g of carbs and 50g of protein right after lifting makes recovery x10 (plus creatine plus vit D, cant wait to add fish oil)
Hopefully 2nd week is hard :p
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On July 05 2012 07:33 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:26 phyre112 wrote:On July 05 2012 06:43 Osmoses wrote:
Dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me. Dunno about dropping bench press though, for me that's just the one lift that is so technically easy that I can just focus on strength, which makes it fun. I'm not benching either, and haven't for a while. Benching really doesn't seem to help you do anything other than bench - it's only important if you're a power lifter or a bro trying to show off to his buddies. OHP, close grip bench, and dips hit the same muscles, but they do so in a way that has a lot more carryover to sports and to other movements. I agree with this. Recently I've been going so wide to hit the highest weight as well I question it's use even in like rugby. Since I started OHP/dips it seems to have done more for my hand-offs and rucking/mauls than bench ever did. And with strongman there is no benching event. Upper body pushing is all overhead work. Although I agree with you Osmoses that it's fun. I was reluctant to drop it but after today I really enjoyed log press so want to focus on that.
Yeah i dont bench at all cause i dont see how it helps me with rugby. or anything else really.
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On July 05 2012 09:50 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:33 Deadeight wrote:On July 05 2012 07:26 phyre112 wrote:On July 05 2012 06:43 Osmoses wrote:
Dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me. Dunno about dropping bench press though, for me that's just the one lift that is so technically easy that I can just focus on strength, which makes it fun. I'm not benching either, and haven't for a while. Benching really doesn't seem to help you do anything other than bench - it's only important if you're a power lifter or a bro trying to show off to his buddies. OHP, close grip bench, and dips hit the same muscles, but they do so in a way that has a lot more carryover to sports and to other movements. I agree with this. Recently I've been going so wide to hit the highest weight as well I question it's use even in like rugby. Since I started OHP/dips it seems to have done more for my hand-offs and rucking/mauls than bench ever did. And with strongman there is no benching event. Upper body pushing is all overhead work. Although I agree with you Osmoses that it's fun. I was reluctant to drop it but after today I really enjoyed log press so want to focus on that. Yeah i dont bench at all cause i dont see how it helps me with rugby. or anything else really.
It helps you bench.
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On July 05 2012 09:54 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 09:50 decafchicken wrote:On July 05 2012 07:33 Deadeight wrote:On July 05 2012 07:26 phyre112 wrote:On July 05 2012 06:43 Osmoses wrote:
Dunno, sounds pretty awesome to me. Dunno about dropping bench press though, for me that's just the one lift that is so technically easy that I can just focus on strength, which makes it fun. I'm not benching either, and haven't for a while. Benching really doesn't seem to help you do anything other than bench - it's only important if you're a power lifter or a bro trying to show off to his buddies. OHP, close grip bench, and dips hit the same muscles, but they do so in a way that has a lot more carryover to sports and to other movements. I agree with this. Recently I've been going so wide to hit the highest weight as well I question it's use even in like rugby. Since I started OHP/dips it seems to have done more for my hand-offs and rucking/mauls than bench ever did. And with strongman there is no benching event. Upper body pushing is all overhead work. Although I agree with you Osmoses that it's fun. I was reluctant to drop it but after today I really enjoyed log press so want to focus on that. Yeah i dont bench at all cause i dont see how it helps me with rugby. or anything else really. It helps you bench.
anything transferable to my life that clean and jerks and snatch dont cover*
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I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?
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On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?
Better posture. I also remember Rippitoes mentioning strength is the basis of physical ability, so it pretty much means more strength will transfer to better physical performance in sports/life. Full depth squats give better hip mobility as well -> reduction in chance of hip disease.
By doing any form of exercise, strength training included, you burn some calories as well.
Edit: also found some interesting stuff on blood pressure & strength training:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18677589
http://www.turner-white.com/memberfile.php?PubCode=jcom_feb00_bloodpr.pdf
I think it might reduce chances of developing cardiovascular disease as well.
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For me, at least, starting exercise again got me quickly to where I needed less sleep per night, felt better during the day.
More energy, less sleep needed, easier to go to sleep, waking up more quickly. I'll take that list of benefits on it's own. That's ignoring any possible self-image benefits.
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On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?
Yes. Stronger people are harder to kill than weaker people, and in general more useful
-rippetoe
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On July 05 2012 11:05 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical? Yes. Stronger people are harder to kill than weaker people, and in general more useful -rippetoe
As we heard in hand to hand training in the Army... if it gets to where that matters, you already fucked up. 
I'm all for being able to defend yourself, and general scrapping is fun too, but you don't squat a bullet.
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Front Squat:
20kg, 60kg, 70kg, 80kg, 90kg, 100kg, 120kg, 130kg
100kg, 105kg, 110kg, 115kg, 120kg x 3
80kg x 2 x 3
This was kind of a "push yourself workout" I was so tired from work, and had this allergy fucking my life throughout the day, it sucked shit.
Chinups: 10-8-8 (good speed, I might start doing these weighted.
Clean & Jerk: 20kg, 40kg, 60kg, 70kg, 80kg x 2
90kg x 1 Clean (I was afraid of not hitting the jerk and the bar landing on my head  gotta lose the fear and push for it).
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On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?
The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc.
If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.
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On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical? The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc. If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.
i agree with you about the real life situations. i really haven't felt stronger doing household chores after lifting weights for a couple of months, but athletically i feel a MASSIVE change. i just feel so much stronger while playing contact sports it's not even funny.
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On July 05 2012 12:12 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical? The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc. If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer. i agree with you about the real life situations. i really haven't felt stronger doing household chores after lifting weights for a couple of months, but athletically i feel a MASSIVE change. i just feel so much stronger while playing contact sports it's not even funny.
Its just nice to be stronger in general. Easier to do things like move furniture or what have you. Never know when it will be useful. And its just nice for making a first impression, nobody likes to look like a wimp (firm handshake ftw). But yeah the biggest difference is definitely in athletic endeavors.
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On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical? The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc. If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.
I disagree to an extent.
Resistance training shows fairly good increases in "cardiovascular" ability, especially in novices (really, exercise is good for novices) although you should likely do both if you want to be all around healthy.
Also, I'm not sure of why the myth of cardiovascular activity being perpetuated as long term health over resistance exercise gets any basis in fact. I do not believe there are any studies that show that to be the case. Though, if you have some I would like to broaden my view of the literature.
"Both" is preferable to one alone (this is seen in studies), but I don't see one as superior to the other in long term if you only do one or the other. Both alone have very good effects on markers of health such as blood profiles, insulin sensitivity, increases in lean body mass, etc.
So basically, do both... but if you only want to do one I wouldn't say endurance related activity is preferable over strength for long term health unless there happens to be some new literature on that.
I've seen really "cardiovascularly fit" geriatric patients who are super frail and would benefit from strength training. But I've never seen anyone who does resistance training be frail, although they might have endurance issues doing everything they want to in a day. So you really do NEED both for OPTIMAL longevity. Again though, it seems that one alone is not better than another, at least until I see some support for it beyond broscience claims in the media.
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See PT on next monday. (3 weeks post op rofl). My surgeon is evidently the most aggressive orthopedic surgeon when it comes to PT on the west coast.
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