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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 05 2012 17:40 GMT
#5041
On July 06 2012 02:11 Luxae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 02:07 phyre112 wrote:
On July 05 2012 22:48 infinity21 wrote:
On July 05 2012 22:27 Luxae wrote:
Fairly awesome workout:
Squat - 1x5 80, 100, 1x3 120, 1x2 140, 1x1F 165kg, 1x1 165kg PR. I have no idea why I keep failing my first try and getting it the second time around, it's very weird.
BP - 1x5 50, 60, 1x3 72.5, 85, 1x2F 100kg PR. Finally a two plate bench! Been waiting for a long time to accomplish this.
Chin ups - 1x5 bw, 3x3 bw+40kg
Dips - 1x5 bw, 8-8-4 bw+28kg
Hanging leg rises - 2x10

good job
I'm going for 1x5x100kg bench next week but it won't be 2 plates because I use lbs


What? I'm confused.

2 plates = 225 pounds = 100kg. You using pounds shouldn't change anything here, unless you're counting the weight wrong?

I believe 100kg is actually 220lbs, so it's 5lbs short of a 2 plate using pounds.

Yup, 100kg = 220lbs
Official Entusman #21
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 05 2012 18:03 GMT
#5042
On July 05 2012 19:15 Deadeight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?


The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc.

If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.



It makes me feel a lot better. It's small stuff, like I jump up stairs 3 at a time, I used to skip 1 and now I skip 2. Lots of people don't skip any and still find big flights of stairs give them a hard time. I think it also helps with confidence, you just feel really capable.


Being strong allows you to pickup girls literally and squat them. Bitches love being squatted.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 05 2012 18:19 GMT
#5043
On July 06 2012 03:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:15 Deadeight wrote:
On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?


The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc.

If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.



It makes me feel a lot better. It's small stuff, like I jump up stairs 3 at a time, I used to skip 1 and now I skip 2. Lots of people don't skip any and still find big flights of stairs give them a hard time. I think it also helps with confidence, you just feel really capable.


Being strong allows you to pickup girls literally and squat them. Bitches love being squatted.

Front squat or back squat? Or is it overhead?
Official Entusman #21
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
July 05 2012 18:21 GMT
#5044
Isn't a 2 plate 2x25kg on each side? 120kg. I didn't think people thought of a 20 as a "full" plate.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
July 05 2012 18:22 GMT
#5045
On July 06 2012 03:19 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:15 Deadeight wrote:
On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?


The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc.

If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.



It makes me feel a lot better. It's small stuff, like I jump up stairs 3 at a time, I used to skip 1 and now I skip 2. Lots of people don't skip any and still find big flights of stairs give them a hard time. I think it also helps with confidence, you just feel really capable.


Being strong allows you to pickup girls literally and squat them. Bitches love being squatted.

Front squat or back squat? Or is it overhead?


This is probably the one situation where a zercher squat might be appropriate.
Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
July 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#5046
On July 06 2012 03:21 Deadeight wrote:
Isn't a 2 plate 2x25kg on each side? 120kg. I didn't think people thought of a 20 as a "full" plate.

You're actually the first person I've talked to who considers the 25kg plate as *the* plate :p
I think the reasoning behind 20kg being "a plate" is that every gym will have a 20kg plate, but the 25kg plate is much less common.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20076 Posts
July 05 2012 18:49 GMT
#5047
Yeah I usually go 20kg is a plate if you lift in metric, or if pounds, then 45 is a plate.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 05 2012 19:01 GMT
#5048
On July 06 2012 03:22 Deadeight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:19 infinity21 wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:03 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:15 Deadeight wrote:
On July 05 2012 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 05 2012 10:26 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I just work out to be healthy. does having more strength = better anything else aside from physical?


The strength from lifting weights is not very practical, actually it's next to useless in real world situations, the only thing it will really do for you is allow you to do things like pull yourself up somewhere or moving furniture, as well as people being more scared of you etc.

If you want to be healthy generally it's much better to do sports such as swimming and biking. Stretch a lot, eat healthy. That's what you do if you want a healthy heart and generally live longer.



It makes me feel a lot better. It's small stuff, like I jump up stairs 3 at a time, I used to skip 1 and now I skip 2. Lots of people don't skip any and still find big flights of stairs give them a hard time. I think it also helps with confidence, you just feel really capable.


Being strong allows you to pickup girls literally and squat them. Bitches love being squatted.

Front squat or back squat? Or is it overhead?


This is probably the one situation where a zercher squat might be appropriate.

I've back squatted girls, but its kinda a good morning cause u have to lean foward so they dont fall behind. Never tought of zercher squat them for some reason lol. Will try on friday
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 19:29:09
July 05 2012 19:28 GMT
#5049
On July 06 2012 03:45 Luxae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:21 Deadeight wrote:
Isn't a 2 plate 2x25kg on each side? 120kg. I didn't think people thought of a 20 as a "full" plate.

You're actually the first person I've talked to who considers the 25kg plate as *the* plate :p
I think the reasoning behind 20kg being "a plate" is that every gym will have a 20kg plate, but the 25kg plate is much less common.


Hmm. My gym has more 25s than 20s. Another thing is that in weightlifting competitions they'll make up the bar with as many 25s as possible (reds) and then load blue/green/yellow etc to hit the weight they want. So I think of lower weight plates as just being fractions of a 25.

@Gotunk don't go for too big a girl and tear a bicep!
extr3me
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway145 Posts
July 05 2012 21:53 GMT
#5050
@Gotunk don't go for too big a girl and tear a bicep!


Feel it buuurn! :D
Stay strong, forever strong!
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
July 05 2012 22:36 GMT
#5051
On July 06 2012 04:28 Deadeight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:45 Luxae wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:21 Deadeight wrote:
Isn't a 2 plate 2x25kg on each side? 120kg. I didn't think people thought of a 20 as a "full" plate.

You're actually the first person I've talked to who considers the 25kg plate as *the* plate :p
I think the reasoning behind 20kg being "a plate" is that every gym will have a 20kg plate, but the 25kg plate is much less common.


Hmm. My gym has more 25s than 20s. Another thing is that in weightlifting competitions they'll make up the bar with as many 25s as possible (reds) and then load blue/green/yellow etc to hit the weight they want. So I think of lower weight plates as just being fractions of a 25.

@Gotunk don't go for too big a girl and tear a bicep!


thats mostly because the 25s take up less space though so the weight distribution is better? I've always thought of 20kg/45lbs when I hear "plate"
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
July 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#5052
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=quickfix&wa_user4=feature_module

I hate defeatist crap like this. All the success stories on TL alone...are they ALL freaks of nature? Really?
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
July 05 2012 23:17 GMT
#5053
On July 06 2012 08:11 Autofire2 wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=quickfix&wa_user4=feature_module

I hate defeatist crap like this. All the success stories on TL alone...are they ALL freaks of nature? Really?


The author is fat, and full of shit, and excuses help him sleep at night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
July 05 2012 23:35 GMT
#5054
Yeah the whole tone of the article seemed to be screaming " I'M TOO LAZY TO CHANGE SO I'M GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE SHIT AND GIVEN UP THEIR AMBITIONS"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 23:54:06
July 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#5055
On July 06 2012 04:28 Deadeight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:45 Luxae wrote:
On July 06 2012 03:21 Deadeight wrote:
Isn't a 2 plate 2x25kg on each side? 120kg. I didn't think people thought of a 20 as a "full" plate.

You're actually the first person I've talked to who considers the 25kg plate as *the* plate :p
I think the reasoning behind 20kg being "a plate" is that every gym will have a 20kg plate, but the 25kg plate is much less common.


Hmm. My gym has more 25s than 20s. Another thing is that in weightlifting competitions they'll make up the bar with as many 25s as possible (reds) and then load blue/green/yellow etc to hit the weight they want. So I think of lower weight plates as just being fractions of a 25.

@Gotunk don't go for too big a girl and tear a bicep!


except in Oly videos, I've never even seen a 25kg plate, at any of the four gyms I've lifted at. One of them has 100lb plates though.

1 plate = 20kg = 45 lbs.


On July 06 2012 08:11 Autofire2 wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=quickfix&wa_user4=feature_module

I hate defeatist crap like this. All the success stories on TL alone...are they ALL freaks of nature? Really?


I think the biggest problems in losing weight are a lack of education, lack of support, and poor environment. TLHF provides the first two of those, and the third one is to some extent expected of people who can afford to spend their leisure time watching a video game. On top of that, many more of our success stories are the "skinny nerd gain 80 lbs" (me) than the "big guy loses 100 pounds" story that the author is talking about.

Sure, the article is still a pile of bullshit - but the things you see posted here are NOT the average.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
July 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#5056
I guess I've just coincidentally been to gyms with 25kg plates, or maybe they're more common in the UK. All the free weights gyms I've been to have them, and I've been to one with 50kg plates.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 06 2012 01:15 GMT
#5057
On July 06 2012 08:11 Autofire2 wrote:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Science&wa_user3=quickfix&wa_user4=feature_module

I hate defeatist crap like this. All the success stories on TL alone...are they ALL freaks of nature? Really?


I wish I had that problem, my fucking skinny is incurable. Goddamn lying sack of shit wrote that article.
Soulfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States237 Posts
July 06 2012 02:38 GMT
#5058
Hi all; I'm brand new to any kind of workout routine and definitely don't fit in with you serious guys here, but I'm hoping one of you can spare some time to give a nub some advice about maintaining a decently high-intensity body weight workout, as I don't have access to a gym. My main intention is to build up muscle as I'm not at all overweight.

I've been following a kind of made-up dynamic workout plan for a little while now; on one day, typical bodyweight exercises like planks, pushups, and squats (currently 2x90 and 1x60 second sets for planks with 1 min break between sets, 2x30 and 1x20 rep sets for pushups, and 2x60 rep sets for squats), and on the other day, about 20-30 minutes of running on a beginner running plan I found online (http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml) and 100-150ish cuts to practice for the Aikido (Japanese martial art) I've been practicing for about 2 years (not hugely stressful but works my arms a bit). So on Monday, body weight workouts, Tuesday, running and cuts, Wednesday, body weight workouts, etc.

I guess my question is: is this sufficient to build muscle as long as I increase intensity as needed? Am I covering all necessary muscle groups? Anything else I should know that can help my goal of building muscle? I'm not totally opposed to spending some money on weights if there are more efficient workouts I can do with them at home.

Thanks, and sorry for the likely confusing and disorganized wall of text above!
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20076 Posts
July 06 2012 02:41 GMT
#5059
There is a thread specifically for bodyweight training here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288386
Read the stickies and eshlow can help you with any questions you have after you've read up on that.

how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 06 2012 03:30 GMT
#5060
On July 06 2012 11:38 Soulfire wrote:
Hi all; I'm brand new to any kind of workout routine and definitely don't fit in with you serious guys here, but I'm hoping one of you can spare some time to give a nub some advice about maintaining a decently high-intensity body weight workout, as I don't have access to a gym. My main intention is to build up muscle as I'm not at all overweight.


Welcome to TLHF! Don't worry about being a nub or not fitting in - everyone starts somewhere, and I guarantee others have started off worse. Building up muscle is the easiest thing in the world, once you have some information down. For that, I highly recommend you go through the stickies (nutrition, training, and the Q/A or here if you have any specific questions. For bodyweight, we have a separate thread.)

On July 06 2012 11:38 Soulfire wrote:
I've been following a kind of made-up dynamic workout plan for a little while now; on one day, typical bodyweight exercises like planks, pushups, and squats (currently 2x90 and 1x60 second sets for planks with 1 min break between sets, 2x30 and 1x20 rep sets for pushups, and 2x60 rep sets for squats), and on the other day, about 20-30 minutes of running on a beginner running plan I found online (http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml) and 100-150ish cuts to practice for the Aikido (Japanese martial art) I've been practicing for about 2 years (not hugely stressful but works my arms a bit). So on Monday, body weight workouts, Tuesday, running and cuts, Wednesday, body weight workouts, etc.


Looks to me like what any teenager that doesn't want to hit a gym is going. While something is better than nothing... there are better ways if your goal is to build muscle.
On July 06 2012 11:38 Soulfire wrote:
I guess my question is: is this sufficient to build muscle as long as I increase intensity as needed? Am I covering all necessary muscle groups? Anything else I should know that can help my goal of building muscle? I'm not totally opposed to spending some money on weights if there are more efficient workouts I can do with them at home.

Thanks, and sorry for the likely confusing and disorganized wall of text above!

The problem is, there is only so much of an increase in intensity that you can do with pushups, squats, etc. - adding reps doesn't do the same thing for your muscles as adding weight to a squat or bench press. At this point you're far above the required intensity to build muscle, and you're pretty much going to be building up endurance. You have a couple options on ways to up the intensity.

#1 is to stick with bodyweight - but to do more intense forms. Basically you start to get into gymnastics stuff - handstands, dips, chins. Planche, levers. Pistol Squats and so much more stuff that I have no idea about at all. Seriously, we have an expert on bodyweight training. He started the thread for it, and he also wrote a book about it. So if that's what you're interested in check it out. I will say that even if you weren't moving up in intensity, you need more pulling, not just pushing. Do some chinups 'n stuff.

#2 is to head to the gym. It's not that expensive. Everything that you find intimidating or embarrassing is in your head. It's a lot of fun. It's a good way to meet people. It's just not practical to keep working out at home, unless you want to drop a thousand or more on a home gym setup.

Check out the stickies, decide what you want to do (and what your specific goals are) and head on back! Great to have you here.
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