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On October 10 2011 10:13 Earll wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:42 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 07:26 Earll wrote:Not sure this is worth a post since its only been here for like 2-4 hours so =p but the pain is more sharp than other uncomforts ive had earlier from working out so figured id post it and hear what yall have to say. 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Yhh5T.gif) + Show Spoiler +2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.htmlIt started at the end of the exercise today, I was doing a hang power clean, the first set went fine, then on the second I felt like my positioning\whatever was kind of weird. Cant really explain exactly how I just know it felt sort of off, but I started doing them anyway, then my back started hurting so I cut them off and went home =p 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Its a really.. Tight sort of pain, sort of similar to having I dont know the english word here, the stuff you get in your chest when you are running. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. at the worst probably like a 5 or a 6 maybe, depending on like positioning etc. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Acute I guess? Started getting it earlier today after\during work out and can feel it pretty much constantly, though if i position myself correctly its hardly noticeable\ a minor inconvinience, but if I am moving around\ for example bending my back it hurts a bit. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? No 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It feels pretty deep, like its.. inside, and it also is noticeable on the sides of the chest. It also is triggered\feels uncomfortable to take deep breaths. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing \stopped working out =p tried to do some back stretches also sort of. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? putting the back in certain positions\moving the back makes it hurt. Also taking deep breaths are uncomfortable. Raising arms up straight also triggers pain. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Only had it for half a day so no 12. Any previous injury history? No 13. How's your posture? Probably not that great regardless of this pain, this is definitely is not helping though =p 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Am doing Starting Strength. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I can think of Edit: So yeah, I have slept on it now and it still feels like a motherfucker. Will tyry to go to a doctor soon i guess. Editedit: Done some googeling\searching around and it seems like it is somewhat common to get reasonably intense back pains that fade away after a week or so? So maybe I dont need to go to a doctor unless it stays for more than a wek? going around like this for a week sucks though xd Based on the position and exercise it may be a muscle strain. However, it could also be potentially some ribs that have gotten stuck or slightly out of place. It may be a good idea to get this checked by a physical therapist so they can confirm. If it's a rib out of place it should be able to be mobilized back in place with none for the worse. However, the longer it sits it can take many more sessions to normalize if not. The other likely scenario muscle strain should start to heal within 3-4 days, and would probably be sore for a few days as well. So if it starts to end up like that it may be that. Read the article on muscle strains in OP if it's this. Although i hate to try to selfdiagnose myself, if I were to guess I would say it really does feel like be some ribs getting stuck slightly out of place. Like it hurts in the sides and the front too somewhat (but most in the back) and is pretty like tied into my breathing\chest expanding also. If i just contact my regular doctor would he be able to point me towards who I should see for this? =p
Yeah, get him to give you a prescription for physical therapy
If you know a good chiro you can go that route too.
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Last year I tore my hamstring twice and received a severely brushed ankle in pre-season that year (tendons and ligaments hyperextended). this season I only had shin splits that took me out of action for 2-3 weeks
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On October 10 2011 08:16 drshdwpuppet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:45 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 10:47 drshdwpuppet wrote:I used to run track with no problems (workouts daily) but had to take a 2 year break, now I am trying to get back into shape, but my foot erupts in pain within 5 minutes of starting so bad I have to sit down (my dog is not happy about that in the slightest). The pain is mainly focused around the abductor hallicus up to my ankle with minor pain on the outside as well. + Show Spoiler +1. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qThpk.jpg) 2. Anything faster than a walk, anything requiring the muscular movement that differentiates a walk from a jog/run 3. Sharp, acute pain. 4. 7 or so. 5. Chronic, has been happening for about a year, just got really, really bad. Only occurs while running, goes on for about 1 hour after. 6. When it wasnt bad, I would run through it until I couldnt anymore. Now, I certainly dont. 7. Definitely deep in the abductor hallicus. 8. Apply ice, then soak in hot water. 9. Said it before, but only occurs during running, binding feet/using my ankle braces has no effect. Starts off at its worst immediately, though I dont press the issue because of how bad it hurts. 10. minimal swelling around the entire foot. 11. No pain except during exercise. 12. Rolled ankle once, minor shin splints, undetermined knee injury. None in the affected area. 13. Running posture is very good. I used to run track, was trained well. 14. No routine, I would like to be able to run more though. No sports at this time. 15. Nope :3 Thanks, pain hurts, and I dun like it >< What type of shoes do you wear? Do you have flat feet? Also, does the pain go up around the ankles and into the leg/calf areas? There's a couple of tendons that run through those areas. If you have flat feet or your muscles are starting to atrophy it can put a lot of stress on those tendons leading to issues. http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/10/a-firm-foundation-focusing-on-the-feet/http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/11/shoes-sitting-and-lower-body-dysfunctions/If that's the case (flat feet and/or muscle atrophy) it would be a good idea to read the first article and then take a look at the exercises on page 4 of the second article to help with that. I wear Newbalance 856s because I overpronate slightly. I do not have flat feet. The pain barely touches the bottom of the ankle. I cant imagine my muscles becoming atrophied as I am fairly active, though I guess it isnt out of the question. I will read the articles though and see what I can do. Thanks <3
Shoe type actually doesn't really help with foot issues.
What running technique do you use? Is there anything that improves the pain or helps?
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On October 10 2011 15:55 meatbox wrote:
Last year I tore my hamstring twice and received a severely brushed ankle in pre-season that year (tendons and ligaments hyperextended). this season I only had shin splits that took me out of action for 2-3 weeks
Uh, do you want advice or are you just saying that?
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On October 10 2011 21:25 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 08:16 drshdwpuppet wrote:On October 10 2011 07:45 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 10:47 drshdwpuppet wrote:I used to run track with no problems (workouts daily) but had to take a 2 year break, now I am trying to get back into shape, but my foot erupts in pain within 5 minutes of starting so bad I have to sit down (my dog is not happy about that in the slightest). The pain is mainly focused around the abductor hallicus up to my ankle with minor pain on the outside as well. + Show Spoiler +1. 2. Anything faster than a walk, anything requiring the muscular movement that differentiates a walk from a jog/run 3. Sharp, acute pain. 4. 7 or so. 5. Chronic, has been happening for about a year, just got really, really bad. Only occurs while running, goes on for about 1 hour after. 6. When it wasnt bad, I would run through it until I couldnt anymore. Now, I certainly dont. 7. Definitely deep in the abductor hallicus. 8. Apply ice, then soak in hot water. 9. Said it before, but only occurs during running, binding feet/using my ankle braces has no effect. Starts off at its worst immediately, though I dont press the issue because of how bad it hurts. 10. minimal swelling around the entire foot. 11. No pain except during exercise. 12. Rolled ankle once, minor shin splints, undetermined knee injury. None in the affected area. 13. Running posture is very good. I used to run track, was trained well. 14. No routine, I would like to be able to run more though. No sports at this time. 15. Nope :3 Thanks, pain hurts, and I dun like it >< What type of shoes do you wear? Do you have flat feet? Also, does the pain go up around the ankles and into the leg/calf areas? There's a couple of tendons that run through those areas. If you have flat feet or your muscles are starting to atrophy it can put a lot of stress on those tendons leading to issues. http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/10/a-firm-foundation-focusing-on-the-feet/http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/11/shoes-sitting-and-lower-body-dysfunctions/If that's the case (flat feet and/or muscle atrophy) it would be a good idea to read the first article and then take a look at the exercises on page 4 of the second article to help with that. I wear Newbalance 856s because I overpronate slightly. I do not have flat feet. The pain barely touches the bottom of the ankle. I cant imagine my muscles becoming atrophied as I am fairly active, though I guess it isnt out of the question. I will read the articles though and see what I can do. Thanks <3 Shoe type actually doesn't really help with foot issues. What running technique do you use? Is there anything that improves the pain or helps?
I run by having the balls of my feet strike first, with the heel barely touching the ground, if at all.
I have tried the whole barefoot running thing, but the area I run in is very rough and towards the middle of my usual run length, it gets quite painful just in terms of surface scratches.
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On October 11 2011 01:08 drshdwpuppet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 21:25 eshlow wrote:On October 10 2011 08:16 drshdwpuppet wrote:On October 10 2011 07:45 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 10:47 drshdwpuppet wrote:I used to run track with no problems (workouts daily) but had to take a 2 year break, now I am trying to get back into shape, but my foot erupts in pain within 5 minutes of starting so bad I have to sit down (my dog is not happy about that in the slightest). The pain is mainly focused around the abductor hallicus up to my ankle with minor pain on the outside as well. + Show Spoiler +1. 2. Anything faster than a walk, anything requiring the muscular movement that differentiates a walk from a jog/run 3. Sharp, acute pain. 4. 7 or so. 5. Chronic, has been happening for about a year, just got really, really bad. Only occurs while running, goes on for about 1 hour after. 6. When it wasnt bad, I would run through it until I couldnt anymore. Now, I certainly dont. 7. Definitely deep in the abductor hallicus. 8. Apply ice, then soak in hot water. 9. Said it before, but only occurs during running, binding feet/using my ankle braces has no effect. Starts off at its worst immediately, though I dont press the issue because of how bad it hurts. 10. minimal swelling around the entire foot. 11. No pain except during exercise. 12. Rolled ankle once, minor shin splints, undetermined knee injury. None in the affected area. 13. Running posture is very good. I used to run track, was trained well. 14. No routine, I would like to be able to run more though. No sports at this time. 15. Nope :3 Thanks, pain hurts, and I dun like it >< What type of shoes do you wear? Do you have flat feet? Also, does the pain go up around the ankles and into the leg/calf areas? There's a couple of tendons that run through those areas. If you have flat feet or your muscles are starting to atrophy it can put a lot of stress on those tendons leading to issues. http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/10/a-firm-foundation-focusing-on-the-feet/http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/11/shoes-sitting-and-lower-body-dysfunctions/If that's the case (flat feet and/or muscle atrophy) it would be a good idea to read the first article and then take a look at the exercises on page 4 of the second article to help with that. I wear Newbalance 856s because I overpronate slightly. I do not have flat feet. The pain barely touches the bottom of the ankle. I cant imagine my muscles becoming atrophied as I am fairly active, though I guess it isnt out of the question. I will read the articles though and see what I can do. Thanks <3 Shoe type actually doesn't really help with foot issues. What running technique do you use? Is there anything that improves the pain or helps? I run by having the balls of my feet strike first, with the heel barely touching the ground, if at all. I have tried the whole barefoot running thing, but the area I run in is very rough and towards the middle of my usual run length, it gets quite painful just in terms of surface scratches.
If you look at the pain distributions in the foot article I referenced you should see that tibialis posterior and your peroneals may have some tendonitis.
That would be my best guess based on what you have said so far.
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On October 10 2011 10:51 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 10:13 Earll wrote:On October 10 2011 07:42 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 07:26 Earll wrote:Not sure this is worth a post since its only been here for like 2-4 hours so =p but the pain is more sharp than other uncomforts ive had earlier from working out so figured id post it and hear what yall have to say. 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. + Show Spoiler +2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.htmlIt started at the end of the exercise today, I was doing a hang power clean, the first set went fine, then on the second I felt like my positioning\whatever was kind of weird. Cant really explain exactly how I just know it felt sort of off, but I started doing them anyway, then my back started hurting so I cut them off and went home =p 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Its a really.. Tight sort of pain, sort of similar to having I dont know the english word here, the stuff you get in your chest when you are running. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. at the worst probably like a 5 or a 6 maybe, depending on like positioning etc. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Acute I guess? Started getting it earlier today after\during work out and can feel it pretty much constantly, though if i position myself correctly its hardly noticeable\ a minor inconvinience, but if I am moving around\ for example bending my back it hurts a bit. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? No 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It feels pretty deep, like its.. inside, and it also is noticeable on the sides of the chest. It also is triggered\feels uncomfortable to take deep breaths. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing \stopped working out =p tried to do some back stretches also sort of. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? putting the back in certain positions\moving the back makes it hurt. Also taking deep breaths are uncomfortable. Raising arms up straight also triggers pain. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Only had it for half a day so no 12. Any previous injury history? No 13. How's your posture? Probably not that great regardless of this pain, this is definitely is not helping though =p 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Am doing Starting Strength. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I can think of Edit: So yeah, I have slept on it now and it still feels like a motherfucker. Will tyry to go to a doctor soon i guess. Editedit: Done some googeling\searching around and it seems like it is somewhat common to get reasonably intense back pains that fade away after a week or so? So maybe I dont need to go to a doctor unless it stays for more than a wek? going around like this for a week sucks though xd Based on the position and exercise it may be a muscle strain. However, it could also be potentially some ribs that have gotten stuck or slightly out of place. It may be a good idea to get this checked by a physical therapist so they can confirm. If it's a rib out of place it should be able to be mobilized back in place with none for the worse. However, the longer it sits it can take many more sessions to normalize if not. The other likely scenario muscle strain should start to heal within 3-4 days, and would probably be sore for a few days as well. So if it starts to end up like that it may be that. Read the article on muscle strains in OP if it's this. Although i hate to try to selfdiagnose myself, if I were to guess I would say it really does feel like be some ribs getting stuck slightly out of place. Like it hurts in the sides and the front too somewhat (but most in the back) and is pretty like tied into my breathing\chest expanding also. If i just contact my regular doctor would he be able to point me towards who I should see for this? =p Yeah, get him to give you a prescription for physical therapy If you know a good chiro you can go that route too.
ok so I went to the doctor yesterday(regular doctor) and he just made me take off shirt and felt around the back for a couple of seconds, and then told me i had injuerd it with working out and gave me some pills which are painkillers and also supposed to reduce like.. muscle inflamation or something.
Anyway it is feeling a lot better now.. My main questions are, first of all so this was not the missplaced rib but some sort of muscle tear I guess, so what is the more likely reason for this happening, just overall bad form\strain on the back "over time"? Or one horrible powerclean that just in and of itself caused the injury? Also how long should I wait with working out again, just untill it feels ok/doesnt hurt normally during the day?
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Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it?
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On October 11 2011 20:49 Earll wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 10:51 eshlow wrote:On October 10 2011 10:13 Earll wrote:On October 10 2011 07:42 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 07:26 Earll wrote:Not sure this is worth a post since its only been here for like 2-4 hours so =p but the pain is more sharp than other uncomforts ive had earlier from working out so figured id post it and hear what yall have to say. 1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts. + Show Spoiler +2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion. http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.htmlIt started at the end of the exercise today, I was doing a hang power clean, the first set went fine, then on the second I felt like my positioning\whatever was kind of weird. Cant really explain exactly how I just know it felt sort of off, but I started doing them anyway, then my back started hurting so I cut them off and went home =p 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Its a really.. Tight sort of pain, sort of similar to having I dont know the english word here, the stuff you get in your chest when you are running. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. at the worst probably like a 5 or a 6 maybe, depending on like positioning etc. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Acute I guess? Started getting it earlier today after\during work out and can feel it pretty much constantly, though if i position myself correctly its hardly noticeable\ a minor inconvinience, but if I am moving around\ for example bending my back it hurts a bit. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? No 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. It feels pretty deep, like its.. inside, and it also is noticeable on the sides of the chest. It also is triggered\feels uncomfortable to take deep breaths. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Nothing \stopped working out =p tried to do some back stretches also sort of. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? putting the back in certain positions\moving the back makes it hurt. Also taking deep breaths are uncomfortable. Raising arms up straight also triggers pain. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? Only had it for half a day so no 12. Any previous injury history? No 13. How's your posture? Probably not that great regardless of this pain, this is definitely is not helping though =p 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? Am doing Starting Strength. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I can think of Edit: So yeah, I have slept on it now and it still feels like a motherfucker. Will tyry to go to a doctor soon i guess. Editedit: Done some googeling\searching around and it seems like it is somewhat common to get reasonably intense back pains that fade away after a week or so? So maybe I dont need to go to a doctor unless it stays for more than a wek? going around like this for a week sucks though xd Based on the position and exercise it may be a muscle strain. However, it could also be potentially some ribs that have gotten stuck or slightly out of place. It may be a good idea to get this checked by a physical therapist so they can confirm. If it's a rib out of place it should be able to be mobilized back in place with none for the worse. However, the longer it sits it can take many more sessions to normalize if not. The other likely scenario muscle strain should start to heal within 3-4 days, and would probably be sore for a few days as well. So if it starts to end up like that it may be that. Read the article on muscle strains in OP if it's this. Although i hate to try to selfdiagnose myself, if I were to guess I would say it really does feel like be some ribs getting stuck slightly out of place. Like it hurts in the sides and the front too somewhat (but most in the back) and is pretty like tied into my breathing\chest expanding also. If i just contact my regular doctor would he be able to point me towards who I should see for this? =p Yeah, get him to give you a prescription for physical therapy If you know a good chiro you can go that route too. ok so I went to the doctor yesterday(regular doctor) and he just made me take off shirt and felt around the back for a couple of seconds, and then told me i had injuerd it with working out and gave me some pills which are painkillers and also supposed to reduce like.. muscle inflamation or something. Anyway it is feeling a lot better now.. My main questions are, first of all so this was not the missplaced rib but some sort of muscle tear I guess, so what is the more likely reason for this happening, just overall bad form\strain on the back "over time"? Or one horrible powerclean that just in and of itself caused the injury? Also how long should I wait with working out again, just untill it feels ok/doesnt hurt normally during the day?
That's why I specifically recommended NOT to go to a primary care doctor in the OP. They don't know jack squat about injuries at all and will just dish you out anti-inflams.
Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
If the anti-inflams are helping it's likely a strain that's aggravated though so.... rehab should be pretty simple after it starts to heal.
1. Work on strengthening with isolation work.... rotator cuff work + http://davedraper.com/blog/2009/07/22/shoulder-ytwls-become-lytps/
2. Then phase in compound exercises like barball lifts.
3. Then phase in explosive exercise like power cleans. This should only be done at least a month if not longer until feel ready + another 2 weeks after that.
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On October 12 2011 00:06 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it?
Your ACL is numb? o_O
There's no ACL tests you can actually do on yourself so I'm not quite sure how you're applying pressure to it.... I tried to do anterior drawer on myself and it was too hard. Same with Lachman's.
Did you have an athletic trainer/PT/doc/etc. check it or something?
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On October 12 2011 00:28 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 00:06 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it? Your ACL is numb? o_O There's no ACL tests you can actually do on yourself so I'm not quite sure how you're applying pressure to it.... Did you have an athletic trainer/PT/doc/etc. check it or something?
I've had a trainer look at it, he mostly just stretched out the joint. Said it might be a symptom of my entire left side being fucked up (pinched nerve up at neck/shoulder, si joint, previous turf toe and sprained ankle).
Haha yeah..numb is the best way i can describe it. And i think its the acl. could be totally wrong.
Roughly this line:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Oz6K.jpg)
Apply pressure...just pushing on the bottom of that line, roughly the middle of the inside of my knee. The pain could just be a bruise from rugby. But yeah if you take my bent knee, roughly the top of the knee cap to the inside of my knee from in between the teardrop muscle of the quad and the knee cap is kinda numb. It varies day to day.
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So I have hurt my lower back again. Over three weeks ago, I failed my last squat set. Had a spotter but still I was in a real awkward position at the low point. I probably should have stopped right there, but since it didn't hurt I went on to DL, which I manged to finish. But my back felt terrible after that.
Next day I could barely get into shoes :-(
I haven't don't any lifting since. It began feeling better after about three days. However the next five days were filled with wild activity between the sheets which didn't really help recovery. Then after another week of rest and no physical activity at all I felt pretty much OK again. Still didn't do any lifting, but went paragliding for four days, which involved a lot of carrying gear and chute up the mountain. Lower back pain came slowly back. It really started again though after another 3 days of rest after that. One morning (Saturday) I woke up with the worst lower back pain, pretty much as bad as after the DL workout.
It has slowly been getting better since then again, but I feel in no shape to put any strain on it yet.
Pain is very low on the lower back, basically where I guess the spine meets the hip? I don't know the correct terminology. It's worst when I am pulling my legs towards me (= binding shoes is horror). I feel nothing just sitting or standing straight up, but feel pain if I am arching my back.
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On October 12 2011 00:37 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 00:28 eshlow wrote:On October 12 2011 00:06 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it? Your ACL is numb? o_O There's no ACL tests you can actually do on yourself so I'm not quite sure how you're applying pressure to it.... Did you have an athletic trainer/PT/doc/etc. check it or something? I've had a trainer look at it, he mostly just stretched out the joint. Said it might be a symptom of my entire left side being fucked up (pinched nerve up at neck/shoulder, si joint, previous turf toe and sprained ankle). Haha yeah..numb is the best way i can describe it. And i think its the acl. could be totally wrong. Roughly this line: Apply pressure...just pushing on the bottom of that line, roughly the middle of the inside of my knee. The pain could just be a bruise from rugby. But yeah if you take my bent knee, roughly the top of the knee cap to the inside of my knee from in between the teardrop muscle of the quad and the knee cap is kinda numb. It varies day to day.
That's not ACL. If your ACL was injured you'd have atrophy and instability
Do you have any signs of meniscus issues? Locking of the knee when straightening, potential instability, any type of clicking, etc?
Could also be a nerve issue.
Might be a good idea to get it checked by someone if it's still bothering you
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On October 12 2011 01:39 zatic wrote:
So I have hurt my lower back again. Over three weeks ago, I failed my last squat set. Had a spotter but still I was in a real awkward position at the low point. I probably should have stopped right there, but since it didn't hurt I went on to DL, which I manged to finish. But my back felt terrible after that.
Next day I could barely get into shoes :-(
I haven't don't any lifting since. It began feeling better after about three days. However the next five days were filled with wild activity between the sheets which didn't really help recovery. Then after another week of rest and no physical activity at all I felt pretty much OK again. Still didn't do any lifting, but went paragliding for four days, which involved a lot of carrying gear and chute up the mountain. Lower back pain came slowly back. It really started again though after another 3 days of rest after that. One morning (Saturday) I woke up with the worst lower back pain, pretty much as bad as after the DL workout.
It has slowly been getting better since then again, but I feel in no shape to put any strain on it yet.
Pain is very low on the lower back, basically where I guess the spine meets the hip? I don't know the correct terminology. It's worst when I am pulling my legs towards me (= binding shoes is horror). I feel nothing just sitting or standing straight up, but feel pain if I am arching my back.
Is the pain near SI, or is it muscular, or is it on/near/in the spine itself?
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
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On October 12 2011 04:38 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 00:37 decafchicken wrote:On October 12 2011 00:28 eshlow wrote:On October 12 2011 00:06 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it? Your ACL is numb? o_O There's no ACL tests you can actually do on yourself so I'm not quite sure how you're applying pressure to it.... Did you have an athletic trainer/PT/doc/etc. check it or something? I've had a trainer look at it, he mostly just stretched out the joint. Said it might be a symptom of my entire left side being fucked up (pinched nerve up at neck/shoulder, si joint, previous turf toe and sprained ankle). Haha yeah..numb is the best way i can describe it. And i think its the acl. could be totally wrong. Roughly this line: Apply pressure...just pushing on the bottom of that line, roughly the middle of the inside of my knee. The pain could just be a bruise from rugby. But yeah if you take my bent knee, roughly the top of the knee cap to the inside of my knee from in between the teardrop muscle of the quad and the knee cap is kinda numb. It varies day to day. That's not ACL. If your ACL was injured you'd have atrophy and instability Do you have any signs of meniscus issues? Locking of the knee when straightening, potential instability, any type of clicking, etc? Could also be a nerve issue. Might be a good idea to get it checked by someone if it's still bothering you
I have clicking in both my knees but never any pain related to it. Seems pretty stable (yay squatting). Maybe nerves then? Meh if i get any pain i'll get it checked out.
Also, is there anything you can do for pinched nerve pain? Just hit my stinger again today for the first time in a year tackling a freshman T_T whole arm went numb now its just dull pain.
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ok well i'm not too sure what i have, but my right arm has been going to sleep when in the middle of playing starcraft(and various other positions if i dont move my arm). its in the forearm area, only between the elbow and wrist, but more towards the elbow, on the "underside" of my arm sort of like in this area:
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ive been working out 5 days a week for like 5 yrs and ive been deadlifting pretty hard lately so i think it could have some correlation with my problem
i also think my computer desk (which has a pullout keyboard thing) is a problem because my mouse platform is pretty much even with my arm rest and i have to put my wrist and have it rest on the edge of the table
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On October 10 2011 07:53 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 12:24 kurrysauce wrote:Been having this pain for about 9 months now.. Started off with slight strain. Didn't think much of it. It has worsened over time. Went to a physio guy to check it out last month , he told me it was because my upper back was very tight especially around my trap area. I can feel tightness in both of my traps and left rhomboid so you can imagine how uncomfortable it is but I only feel pain on my left rhomboid area , just to the left of the spine , upper back area. + Show Spoiler +1. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z0kfc.jpg) 2. No exercise really causes me pain , its just that its really uncomfortable because I'm still a student , I'm sitting down most of the time . Also when I cock my head backwards I can feel pain in my left rhomboid area and the tightness there 3-4. More often than not I would rate it a 3 or 4 as a aching pain. Occasionally it would be a 1 with just the tightness remaining and very little pain and sometimes it would be a 6-7 with a sharp pain , if I pull the muscle or something... 5.Chronic , pain hasn't really improved . Didn't think much of the pain initially so I haven't tracked the "progression" of it till recently. 6. Yes for about 9 months . :| 7. Seem to be more of a muscle pain than anything . no joint pain . 8. Stretching everyday for about the past 2-3weeks. Pain often goes away after stretching for awhile before returning but I still feel the tightness there. Stretching has definitely improved the situation. Mostly rhomboid stretches , chest stretches, bicep stretch ,neck stretch. 9. Stretching helps it I guess. Everytime I foam roll the area , the pain changes from a dull aching pain to a sharp pain so I dropped foam rolling there. Not entirely sure what makes it worse. 10. My left trap feels like it has sort of a hard rock muscle in it while when I press my right trap it feel much different than my left one. Right trap feels less tight than left. 11. Usually pain increases as the day goes on . Starts off in the morning fairly okay , but gets worse as I'm attending my classes. 12. Nope. 13. Been trying to keep my posture as good as possible , trying not to slouch over , chin up and stuff. I would say pretty good posture for an average student. Tend to slouch over when I'm in an intense moment in starcraft though , I find myself slouching over and sit up immediately 14. I do dumbell rows , chin ups , Romanian deadlifts. Nope , I play starcraft though :D 15. I doubt so :D Hope you can help me , the physio I went to recommended I undertook Personal training for him for 10 weeks but I don't have money for that.. I made an appointment with a cheaper physio next week , hope he can help too. Hmmm. What did the previous physio say what he thought was your problem/issue? If you shorten the muscle by lying down and retracting your scaps does that help at all? if so, posture may be a significant issue. Also, to improve your posture focus on lifting the bottom of your rib cage up where your xiphoid to get a "proud chest" and let it rise until you have about 20-30% tension on your abs. That should get your shoulders and neck to roll back into place without having to focus on those. Also, with the shoulders back in place it should take a lot of tension off of the muscles on the back of your scapula which you seem to be having issues with. Continue whatever else stretching you have been doing if it's helping. Here's some other stuff that may help if you haven't already doing these: + Show Spoiler +Lats stretch, pec stretch, pec minor massage. Can use basketball or other ball and lie on top of it for pec rolling. For pec major you can use corner stretch -- arms abducted to 90, with hands pointing up. Face the concave corner of a wall, and let the elbows touch the side of the wall. Then lunge forward and let it stretch out the anterior muscles of the shoulder. Deep tissue massage all around the scapula; anterior, lateral and posterior shoulder; coracobrachialis, biceps brachii, and brachialis. Nerve glides (google first link) Band dislocates and wall slides Foam roll thoracic spine (put 45 lbs plate on your chest for deeper stretch). Also, roll side to side as you are rolling and try to arch your back http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-improve-thoracic-spine-mobility/
He told me that it was my left trap which was causing the pain in my mid back . He said a bunch of other stuff but it was all terms which I couldn't understand :\ . I think I'll start saving money and pay him a couple of visits soon. He is known as one of the best in my area so I guess $50 / half hour is worth it.
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On October 12 2011 12:51 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 04:38 eshlow wrote:On October 12 2011 00:37 decafchicken wrote:On October 12 2011 00:28 eshlow wrote:On October 12 2011 00:06 decafchicken wrote:
Eshlow what does it mean when my ACL is numb and can slight/moderate pain when i apply pressure to the bottom of it? Your ACL is numb? o_O There's no ACL tests you can actually do on yourself so I'm not quite sure how you're applying pressure to it.... Did you have an athletic trainer/PT/doc/etc. check it or something? I've had a trainer look at it, he mostly just stretched out the joint. Said it might be a symptom of my entire left side being fucked up (pinched nerve up at neck/shoulder, si joint, previous turf toe and sprained ankle). Haha yeah..numb is the best way i can describe it. And i think its the acl. could be totally wrong. Roughly this line: Apply pressure...just pushing on the bottom of that line, roughly the middle of the inside of my knee. The pain could just be a bruise from rugby. But yeah if you take my bent knee, roughly the top of the knee cap to the inside of my knee from in between the teardrop muscle of the quad and the knee cap is kinda numb. It varies day to day. That's not ACL. If your ACL was injured you'd have atrophy and instability Do you have any signs of meniscus issues? Locking of the knee when straightening, potential instability, any type of clicking, etc? Could also be a nerve issue. Might be a good idea to get it checked by someone if it's still bothering you I have clicking in both my knees but never any pain related to it. Seems pretty stable (yay squatting). Maybe nerves then? Meh if i get any pain i'll get it checked out. Also, is there anything you can do for pinched nerve pain? Just hit my stinger again today for the first time in a year tackling a freshman T_T whole arm went numb now its just dull pain.
Clicking without pain is fine if you've always had it. Generally speaking.
Do mobility and soft tissue work and see if that helps.
Pinched nerve... Mobility work because the muscles will get tight in that area to protect it from more damage. Ice if there's significant pain/inflammation for the first few days otherwise should be able to use heat unless there's still a problem.
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On October 12 2011 14:04 Silidons wrote:ok well i'm not too sure what i have, but my right arm has been going to sleep when in the middle of playing starcraft(and various other positions if i dont move my arm). its in the forearm area, only between the elbow and wrist, but more towards the elbow, on the "underside" of my arm sort of like in this area: + Show Spoiler +ive been working out 5 days a week for like 5 yrs and ive been deadlifting pretty hard lately so i think it could have some correlation with my problem i also think my computer desk (which has a pullout keyboard thing) is a problem because my mouse platform is pretty much even with my arm rest and i have to put my wrist and have it rest on the edge of the table
Do A LOT of massage/soft tissue work on the inside of your arm (triceps and biceps area and the side facing you) plus more on your forearm flexors there especially the flexor carpi ulnaris and extensor carpi ulnaris.
also, do some ulnar nerve glides (google this) .
Likely not the workout.
May have to adjust your keyboard position if the armrest is digging into your arm
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On October 12 2011 14:05 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 07:53 eshlow wrote:On October 09 2011 12:24 kurrysauce wrote:Been having this pain for about 9 months now.. Started off with slight strain. Didn't think much of it. It has worsened over time. Went to a physio guy to check it out last month , he told me it was because my upper back was very tight especially around my trap area. I can feel tightness in both of my traps and left rhomboid so you can imagine how uncomfortable it is but I only feel pain on my left rhomboid area , just to the left of the spine , upper back area. + Show Spoiler +1. 2. No exercise really causes me pain , its just that its really uncomfortable because I'm still a student , I'm sitting down most of the time . Also when I cock my head backwards I can feel pain in my left rhomboid area and the tightness there 3-4. More often than not I would rate it a 3 or 4 as a aching pain. Occasionally it would be a 1 with just the tightness remaining and very little pain and sometimes it would be a 6-7 with a sharp pain , if I pull the muscle or something... 5.Chronic , pain hasn't really improved . Didn't think much of the pain initially so I haven't tracked the "progression" of it till recently. 6. Yes for about 9 months . :| 7. Seem to be more of a muscle pain than anything . no joint pain . 8. Stretching everyday for about the past 2-3weeks. Pain often goes away after stretching for awhile before returning but I still feel the tightness there. Stretching has definitely improved the situation. Mostly rhomboid stretches , chest stretches, bicep stretch ,neck stretch. 9. Stretching helps it I guess. Everytime I foam roll the area , the pain changes from a dull aching pain to a sharp pain so I dropped foam rolling there. Not entirely sure what makes it worse. 10. My left trap feels like it has sort of a hard rock muscle in it while when I press my right trap it feel much different than my left one. Right trap feels less tight than left. 11. Usually pain increases as the day goes on . Starts off in the morning fairly okay , but gets worse as I'm attending my classes. 12. Nope. 13. Been trying to keep my posture as good as possible , trying not to slouch over , chin up and stuff. I would say pretty good posture for an average student. Tend to slouch over when I'm in an intense moment in starcraft though , I find myself slouching over and sit up immediately 14. I do dumbell rows , chin ups , Romanian deadlifts. Nope , I play starcraft though :D 15. I doubt so :D Hope you can help me , the physio I went to recommended I undertook Personal training for him for 10 weeks but I don't have money for that.. I made an appointment with a cheaper physio next week , hope he can help too. Hmmm. What did the previous physio say what he thought was your problem/issue? If you shorten the muscle by lying down and retracting your scaps does that help at all? if so, posture may be a significant issue. Also, to improve your posture focus on lifting the bottom of your rib cage up where your xiphoid to get a "proud chest" and let it rise until you have about 20-30% tension on your abs. That should get your shoulders and neck to roll back into place without having to focus on those. Also, with the shoulders back in place it should take a lot of tension off of the muscles on the back of your scapula which you seem to be having issues with. Continue whatever else stretching you have been doing if it's helping. Here's some other stuff that may help if you haven't already doing these: + Show Spoiler +Lats stretch, pec stretch, pec minor massage. Can use basketball or other ball and lie on top of it for pec rolling. For pec major you can use corner stretch -- arms abducted to 90, with hands pointing up. Face the concave corner of a wall, and let the elbows touch the side of the wall. Then lunge forward and let it stretch out the anterior muscles of the shoulder. Deep tissue massage all around the scapula; anterior, lateral and posterior shoulder; coracobrachialis, biceps brachii, and brachialis. Nerve glides (google first link) Band dislocates and wall slides Foam roll thoracic spine (put 45 lbs plate on your chest for deeper stretch). Also, roll side to side as you are rolling and try to arch your back http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-improve-thoracic-spine-mobility/ He told me that it was my left trap which was causing the pain in my mid back . He said a bunch of other stuff but it was all terms which I couldn't understand :\ . I think I'll start saving money and pay him a couple of visits soon. He is known as one of the best in my area so I guess $50 / half hour is worth it.
Do any of these aggravate the pain or make it worse?
http://davedraper.com/blog/2009/07/22/shoulder-ytwls-become-lytps/
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