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Good job, berated-! 19:44 after a nine year break ain't nothing to sneeze at. How much did you run before you dropped it? What inspired the comeback? What sort of time and distance goals do you have now that you're back in the saddle?
On May 18 2013 06:31 Don_Julio wrote:
150 a week? Holy shit. You said earlier that you run nine times a week. Do you run every day or do you have off-days?
Had a 10k race tonight. It was raining all day and it got really ugly at the start of the race at 8pm. Had a pinkeye earlier this week so I had to run with glasses instead of contacts. Couldn't see anything so that I ran into deep puddles a couple of times and didnt even see the time at my watch at kilometermarks. Started too fast ... again, and had a hard time stabilizing. The last two km felt really good though so that I was able to push again. Finished at 46:30 which is 30 seconds faster than my PR from two weeks ago.
It was such a tough race which makes the PR so much sweeter. I'm going to run at another 10k monday, which was my first race ever a year ago. Let's see what I can do. Running and improving at running is so much fun atm. Totally addicted.
I run every day, with two two-a-days a two speed workouts a week. My shortest run these days is 12 or 13k and my longest is 25k.
Also, congrats on the PR! On top of that, there's always the added satisfaction of braving some tough elements. I always like the feeling of coming home from a run in the snow or the rain and saying to myself 'weather don't phase me.' Let us know how the race goes tomorrow!
On May 18 2013 12:45 L_Master wrote:
Not running. It's gets more painful as it goes on, and I don't want to risk doing serious damage, especially since we are looking at a potential bone problem.
The elliptical and bike seem to be fine, so I can maintain some fitness. Don't have the same motivation as running though, so I average like 5-7 hours of training a week at best, with maybe a light tempo type effort or two on these machines.
Blarg. I don't know what to say other than that blows chunks. I hope your recovery goes quickly.
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On May 20 2013 01:09 Bonham wrote:
Good job, berated-! 19:44 after a nine year break ain't nothing to sneeze at. How much did you run before you dropped it? What inspired the comeback? What sort of time and distance goals do you have now that you're back in the saddle?
I ran track and xc in hs before giving it up. I did 4 yrs of track and 2 yrs of xc with summer training in there, so I ran a good amount. I went to college and put on a little over 90 lbs, and 7 months ago I got tired of being overweight. So...I started running again and slowly but surely my legs are coming back as the weight is coming off.
The ultimate goal will be to get below 17 again in the 5k and then run a fast mile again at some point after I drop my 20-25 more lbs. I think right now I have my eye on racing a flat, fast 3mi run over thanksgiving and try to go under 18.
On May 20 2013 00:24 Don_Julio wrote:
Good job. Really solid time. Giving up a little is quite normal if you're unexperienced at racing (I have the same issues but it gets better every race). Mental toughness is something that needs training, too.
So what's next? 10k? HM?
Yeah...I feel like I used to be so mentally tough when I used to race, I definitely need more racing experience to get it back. You are right in that it takes training too. As for next, I think 6 more months of training and then running the race I mentioned above. Racing long hurts, I figure I should keep trying to race fast while I'm still under 30s and then I can race longer as I get years of miles in.
Btw, awesome job on your 10K as well!
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Any barefoot runners here? I've been reading a little on it and I've been thinking about giving it a shot.
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On May 20 2013 04:37 Sqisgar wrote:
Any barefoot runners here? I've been reading a little on it and I've been thinking about giving it a shot.
I have never tried it as I've always been kind of weary about it. There was just an interesting science of sport article about minimalism//barefoot running though. Link to article
If you do it, just make sure you are careful.
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Science of Sport is such a cool blog. They break down all kinds of really interesting stuff.
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On May 20 2013 04:37 Sqisgar wrote:
Any barefoot runners here? I've been reading a little on it and I've been thinking about giving it a shot.
I do as much running as I can barefoot on soft surfaces. Grass, turf, sometimes tracks, and anywhere I feel it's unlikely I'll slice my foot open. I'm a believer and it seems to work well for me.
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On May 20 2013 01:09 Bonham wrote:
Let us know how the race goes tomorrow!
Here we go. 47:16 which is 45 seconds slower than my PR at friday. The weather was good for running this time but my legs were really tired. Didn't expect to run any faster 2 and a half days after the PR and it's quite good to see that I can't get new PRs at every race. Btw, last year this race was the first I ever participated in and I was about nine minutes faster this time. I really improved a lot particularly in the last three months.
I had a lot of issues with breathing this race. It seemed that I changed my pattern quite often. I was too busy not quitting to really watch if it was pace-related or if my breathing method is completely fucked up. I'm gonna keep a close eye on this because besides todays issues my breathing seems to hinder further improvement the most. I get stitches at almost every race and tough work-out at some point.
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On May 20 2013 04:37 Sqisgar wrote:
Any barefoot runners here? I've been reading a little on it and I've been thinking about giving it a shot.
I aim to do about a third of my general cruising mileage in my Vibram fivefingers, usually coming in somewhat short of that. I'm a general believer in the benefits of minimalist and barefoot running, though I seldom run in actually bare feet. As others have said, if you do get into it, exercise considerable caution. Ease into it.
On May 20 2013 23:09 Don_Julio wrote:
Didn't expect to run any faster 2 and a half days after the PR and it's quite good to see that I can't get new PRs at every race. Btw, last year this race was the first I ever participated in and I was about nine minutes faster this time. I really improved a lot particularly in the last three months.
Sorry to hear you didn't crush it, but, as you say, expecting a new PR 2.5 days after the old one is a bit much, unless you really just strolled through a race to set the previous one. Progress is progress, and racing is great fun.
R.e. the breathing, I used to have to think much more about managing my breathing – I had some kind of natural number of steps per breath, and when I hit it I felt fine, and when I didn't I felt out out sync with myself. As I accumulated mileage, the issue just kind of went away. In my case, at least, it just came down to experience.
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Got a really weird tightening pain on my quadriceps during the start of my run today, it went away after a few mins of walking but really fucked up my run because I became really cautious about it. Any thoughts why?
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On May 21 2013 04:06 MooMooMugi wrote:
Got a really weird tightening pain on my quadriceps during the start of my run today, it went away after a few mins of walking but really fucked up my run because I became really cautious about it. Any thoughts why?
Could be because your quads are tight, and the muscle fibers are "making a knot" A good idea is to try foam roll 2x a day to relieve those knots.
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What is a foam roll if I can ask?
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On May 21 2013 08:47 Bonham wrote:Here.
Hahaha
I love my foam roller. My calves are prone to getting knots and rolling them out always hurts while I do it but feels better the next day. Foam rolling is the poor man's sports massage.
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On May 21 2013 12:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:Hahaha I love my foam roller. My calves are prone to getting knots and rolling them out always hurts while I do it but feels better the next day. Foam rolling is the poor man's sports massage.
+50.
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I can vouch for the foam roller, especially after having tight calves for years. Even more than that I prefer the Stick - http://www.amazon.com/The-Stick-Original-Body/dp/B000P7RSL2
Been running for nearly five years now and I have a whole routine about how I have to warm up my body (especially the ol calves). Heat pack, dynamic stretching, the stick, one mile warmup, static stretch, then good. Post run stretch, ice, rinse and repeat. Takes forever but can't afford to lose my sanity by not running.
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On May 21 2013 12:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I love my foam roller. My calves are prone to getting knots and rolling them out always hurts while I do it but feels better the next day. Foam rolling is the poor man's sports massage.
I've heard they are kind of agonizing. My dad, back when he still believed in his cartilage, used one for his IT problems, and he'd howl like a banshee while doing it. This is a man who is at least five times as tough as me. How much does it hurt you?
On May 21 2013 13:10 MachoMyers wrote:
Been running for nearly five years now and I have a whole routine about how I have to warm up my body (especially the ol calves). Heat pack, dynamic stretching, the stick, one mile warmup, static stretch, then good. Post run stretch, ice, rinse and repeat. Takes forever but can't afford to lose my sanity by not running.
Good God, and I thought I had a ridiculous stretching routine. I bow to your devotion to routine, my friend.
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On May 21 2013 13:31 Bonham wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 12:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I love my foam roller. My calves are prone to getting knots and rolling them out always hurts while I do it but feels better the next day. Foam rolling is the poor man's sports massage. I've heard they are kind of agonizing. My dad, back when he still believed in his cartilage, used one for his IT problems, and he'd howl like a banshee while doing it. This is a man who is at least five times as tough as me. How much does it hurt you? Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 13:10 MachoMyers wrote:
Been running for nearly five years now and I have a whole routine about how I have to warm up my body (especially the ol calves). Heat pack, dynamic stretching, the stick, one mile warmup, static stretch, then good. Post run stretch, ice, rinse and repeat. Takes forever but can't afford to lose my sanity by not running. Good God, and I thought I had a ridiculous stretching routine. I bow to your devotion to routine, my friend.
The tighter/knotier you are the more it hurts, but it's still nothing compared to a good sports massage. If you've never tried either then there's a good chance both could be useful. At least try foam rolling because it's inexpensive to buy one and only takes a little bit of time and pain tolerance for some great benefits.
I know I've mentioned it before in this thread but I have had some truly painful sports massages before. They hurt so much because I was running a lot including hard workouts and races and never used to foam roll or get massages. And the person who gave it to me was merciless but I appreciated it because it was needed.
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On May 21 2013 15:13 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 13:31 Bonham wrote:On May 21 2013 12:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I love my foam roller. My calves are prone to getting knots and rolling them out always hurts while I do it but feels better the next day. Foam rolling is the poor man's sports massage. I've heard they are kind of agonizing. My dad, back when he still believed in his cartilage, used one for his IT problems, and he'd howl like a banshee while doing it. This is a man who is at least five times as tough as me. How much does it hurt you? On May 21 2013 13:10 MachoMyers wrote:
Been running for nearly five years now and I have a whole routine about how I have to warm up my body (especially the ol calves). Heat pack, dynamic stretching, the stick, one mile warmup, static stretch, then good. Post run stretch, ice, rinse and repeat. Takes forever but can't afford to lose my sanity by not running. Good God, and I thought I had a ridiculous stretching routine. I bow to your devotion to routine, my friend. The tighter/knotier you are the more it hurts, but it's still nothing compared to a good sports massage. If you've never tried either then there's a good chance both could be useful. At least try foam rolling because it's inexpensive to buy one and only takes a little bit of time and pain tolerance for some great benefits. I know I've mentioned it before in this thread but I have had some truly painful sports massages before. They hurt so much because I was running a lot including hard workouts and races and never used to foam roll or get massages. And the person who gave it to me was merciless but I appreciated it because it was needed.
Yeah I've yet to go the sports massage routine even though I had a friend who had tight calves recommend them to me for years. I guess I'm just too damn cheap.
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Orthopedist on Wednesday. Hopefully I'm finally at a guy that can start making some good hypothesis about what specifically is whacked out with my hip.
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On May 20 2013 04:37 Sqisgar wrote:
Any barefoot runners here? I've been reading a little on it and I've been thinking about giving it a shot.
I have actually thought about starting a barefoot running thread but I thought it would just die. I used to be a shod runner that used laser-cut prescription orthotics for plantar faciitis and stress fractures. I switched to barefoot and after a long and painful transition I have run a LOT in minimalist footwear/barefoot and I no longer have these nagging problems.
Long story short: Barefoot running is what humans were meant to do. The modern shoe was invented in the 70's when we thought we were smarter than millions of years of evolution. The only reason that we need corrective shoes is because we use them. That does create a HUGE problem, though, as our legs and feet are nurtured the wrong way from childhood.
That being said (barefoot/minimal is the way we are meant to run), barefoot running has been highly romanticized and most do not recognize the long and painful transition. I can tell you from experience that it takes over a year to fully transition and you will never transition if you do not make a hard and permanent switch. You can gain the muscular strength and coordination to complete it in a couple months, but your bone structures, ligaments, and tendons will take much longer to adjust to the change.
It takes a lot of patience. I made the mistake of thinking when I was strong enough (muscularly) I could just run as much as I wanted. Within 3 months I went from less than a mile per day to 10-18 per day because barefoot was so much more fun and I could run so much faster. Bam. 3 stress fractures and achilles tendonitis [Edit: this is where most people say "I tried it, barefoot running is BS" and they quit]. Remember that your muscles progress much faster than bone and tendon/ligament and when you get rid of the modern shoe, you are stretching your achilles/calf an additional 12-16mm at the same time you are changing the contraction/relaxation/stretch dynamics entirely. My advise is: before you even switch, do a hours of research on barefoot running technique, followed by hours of calf and ankle stretch exercises for weeks, followed by restricted practice of techniques. Obviously, studying this would not have been necessary if we were in minimalist footwear since childhood as we would have developed our own techniques and progressed with what works. Even considering this, I promise you, the reward is great and more than worth the cost of the transition--even if you have to get completely out of shape to make said transition. You will be better off later on in life.
Since taking months off to heal and months of restricted training, I was successfully able to train for and complete a trail-marathon and countless 5-10k runs with absolutely no problems. I have not had an overuse injury since.
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