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The Paleo Diet thread - Page 17
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20166 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:06 MadProbe wrote: The paleo diet is very questionable. Yes, grains are typically bad for you and humans have only been eating them for about 10k years. But high fat/high protein diets and calorie-restricting diets are way fucking worse for you than eating lots of rice bread and pasta. Now you ask for evidence. Studies. Peer reviewed research. HERE IT IS: "The largest and most comprehensive study ever done on human diet": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book) The study's conclusion? The optimal diet for human consumption is a high-carb, low fat, low protein, plant-based diet. Oh, and the guy who said that humans are biologically designed as FRUGIVORES (fruit based diet)? He might be on to something. I won't go into details because this is much more complicated. So here are pictures of 30+ people who have been eating high calorie (3k+ minimum) high carb FRUIT AND VEG ONLY diets for YEARS. According to traditional diet beliefs, they're probably morbidly obese, half-dead and comatose... THIS is your body on a frugivorous diet. (you may be suprised ^^) Just wanted to throw this info out there so that hopefully some people don't get misled by a lot of terrible unscientific health advice people learn from protein powder and supplement advertisements, oprah tv shows, and magic diet comercials. If you're interested, do the research and decide for yourself. And if you're gonna reply to this because you found something to criticise, go ahead. I probably wont respond. You call paleo diet questionable than go on a rave about a diet that is completely paleo friendly. Paleo has nothing against eating fruits and veggies. Also, you linked wikipedia to a heavily misinterpreted study. And then linked a bunch of fragile looking people with no fat. I mean they look muscular and all...just so small | ||
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xavra41
United States220 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20166 Posts
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On February 29 2012 06:15 xavra41 wrote: Tried this diet for about a month because a friend at the gym recommended it to me. Lost about 7 lbs of body fat (already kinda lean) which is good, but I don't think I can continue with just eat meat and veggies all the time. I am missing things like sandwiches and pizza hardcore lol. Never thought I would lose my appetite for meat and btw I am eating all kinds of fish and meat products. Gotta finish up my 30 day challenge with a visit to the doctor. But yeah I recommend this diet if you want to lose body fat or gain muscle. I think you are just not eating enough, cause 7 pounds is a lot (I assume you where quite overweight to begin with?). If you want to remain healthy you can still eat crap once a week on an decent time window (say 12 hours after a good breakfast), usually during the weekend. Some people even say the calorie spike is good for you. | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
On February 28 2012 13:23 AoN.DimSum wrote: btw is chinese sausage paleo? http://paleofor6weeks.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/tips-for-your-paleo-dinner/ *drools* Is crack Paleo, because Chinese sausage is almost certainly loaded with it; sooooooo good. In all seriousness it's probably fine very occasionally. I'd imagine there are all sorts of fillers and stuff in it and the pigs are fed and treated pretty poorly. In other news, the cashier at the supermarket the other day told me, "Wow, that's a ton of sweet potatoes!" I refrained from telling him it's just for my 3 PW meals next week. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On February 25 2012 19:48 Glockateer wrote: They just look unnatural to me. Real strong men don't look like that at all. From the looks of it, you go on that diet if you want to be all show. I'll certainly take my healthy fats for brain and body growth over that crap regardless. They don't look "unnatural" at all wtf are you looking at. Some of them are very lean, but for the most part they also have well defined musculature. I'd trade my body for theirs any day. As someone pointed out however, they are basically on a paleo diet anyway. Their results are based on the same principles as paleo - stop eating shit, start eating real food and do some kind of exercise and you will look amazing. | ||
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20166 Posts
On March 20 2012 12:32 Bigtony wrote: They don't look "unnatural" at all wtf are you looking at. Some of them are very lean, but for the most part they also have well defined musculature. I'd trade my body for theirs any day. As someone pointed out however, they are basically on a paleo diet anyway. Their results are based on the same principles as paleo - stop eating shit, start eating real food and do some kind of exercise and you will look amazing. They just have very little weight on them, probably due to lack of calories. Yeah they have very very low bf% so you can see their musculature but they have no mass to them and their proportions seem off...it just looks weird IMO. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4751 Posts
On March 21 2012 09:38 decafchicken wrote: They just have very little weight on them, probably due to lack of calories. Yeah they have very very low bf% so you can see their musculature but they have no mass to them and their proportions seem off...it just looks weird IMO. Exactly my thoughts actually. Some of them look really good, but most just don't have any weight on them, so the super defined musculature really doesn't mean that they are muscular, they just have very low bodyfat. | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
On March 20 2012 12:32 Bigtony wrote: They don't look "unnatural" at all wtf are you looking at. Some of them are very lean, but for the most part they also have well defined musculature. I'd trade my body for theirs any day. As someone pointed out however, they are basically on a paleo diet anyway. Their results are based on the same principles as paleo - stop eating shit, start eating real food and do some kind of exercise and you will look amazing. That is what I personally think and I'm not saying they are unhealthy or they aren't getting what they wanted out of their diet. I just think having too low of a bodyfat doesn't look natural to me. If that is your thing, just like theirs, then that's cool with me and I wouldn't judge you for doing what you want to do. I just find the looks of true strength to be more appealing than a super low body fat percentage. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:06 MadProbe wrote: The paleo diet is very questionable. Yes, grains are typically bad for you and humans have only been eating them for about 10k years. But high fat/high protein diets and calorie-restricting diets are way fucking worse for you than eating lots of rice bread and pasta. Now you ask for evidence. Studies. Peer reviewed research. HERE IT IS: "The largest and most comprehensive study ever done on human diet": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book) The study's conclusion? The optimal diet for human consumption is a high-carb, low fat, low protein, plant-based diet. Oh, and the guy who said that humans are biologically designed as FRUGIVORES (fruit based diet)? He might be on to something. I won't go into details because this is much more complicated. So here are pictures of 30+ people who have been eating high calorie (3k+ minimum) high carb FRUIT AND VEG ONLY diets for YEARS. According to traditional diet beliefs, they're probably morbidly obese, half-dead and comatose... THIS is your body on a frugivorous diet. (you may be suprised ^^) Just wanted to throw this info out there so that hopefully some people don't get misled by a lot of terrible unscientific health advice people learn from protein powder and supplement advertisements, oprah tv shows, and magic diet comercials. If you're interested, do the research and decide for yourself. And if you're gonna reply to this because you found something to criticise, go ahead. I probably wont respond. Actually, Lyle Mcdonald directly (kinda) talks about The China study. Apparently he changed/skewed/ignored the facts when they didn't fit the study. Along with a hell of a lot of people talking about how bad it is as well. So if you're interested do the research for yourself  Also, I think a lot of studies show nothing wrong with fructose and the like. I don't care much about nutrition, but this is just what I remember from various sites I visit. | ||
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Vitruvian
United States168 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/magazine/tell-us-why-its-ethical-to-eat-meat-a-contest.html Favorite response: "This contest is an intellectually shallow tactic for vegetarians/vegans to justify their unnatural dietary practices by inserting morality where it doesn't belong. Our evolutionary history is littered with hundreds of thousands of years' worth of delicious corpses; trying to have a discussion about the "ethics" of our biologically hard-wired needs is simply absurd. Relevant: The amount of resources that go into the manufacture and distribution of clothing is unconscionable, especially considering the energy and water shortages our planet will likely have to contend with in the near future. In 600 words or less, tell us why it's ethical to wear clothes." | ||
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decafchicken
United States20166 Posts
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lannisport
878 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:06 MadProbe wrote: The paleo diet is very questionable. Yes, grains are typically bad for you and humans have only been eating them for about 10k years. But high fat/high protein diets and calorie-restricting diets are way fucking worse for you than eating lots of rice bread and pasta. Now you ask for evidence. Studies. Peer reviewed research. HERE IT IS: "The largest and most comprehensive study ever done on human diet": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book) The study's conclusion? The optimal diet for human consumption is a high-carb, low fat, low protein, plant-based diet. The china study in the end is just one big observational study. There are different levels of evidence in medical reasoning and observational studies are at the bottom of that hierarchy, whereas randomized control trials and good meta analyses sit the top. There is a pretty good critique written by Denise Minger, who points out statistical flaws and generally false conclusions that were drawn (due to some pretty whacky reasoning) when conducting the study: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ Personally, I've had okay results with paleo but nothing really spectacular. For weight loss I've had the most success with calorie restriction, upping my "incidental exercise" and intermittent fasting via leangains (Which is pretty much semi-paleo). My favourite paleo blogger is Dr.Kurt Harris. He doesn't seem as crazy or fanatical as some other paleo bloggers and he backs up his statements with well reasoned arguments. http://www.archevore.com/ Another good one is this one: http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.ca/ | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On April 20 2012 07:44 Pulimuli wrote: going paleo tomorrow again, did it last summer but i think im gonna stick with it this time! been stuffing my face with bread all day as a goodbye I've been semi-paleo all year long (been eating corn, tortillas, beans, and 1 slice of pizza/few weeks =(), but I think this summer I'll go back to what I was doing last summer, which is full paleo, only exception being 1/2 gomad. Should be fun, should still be possible to pack on weight. I'll cut the milk back when I reach my goal weight (30 pounds away woohoo). Need delicious paleo recipes that I can feed myself and impress friends with, I have a crock pot and a frying pan and that's it, but I'm willing to learn and to buy stuff. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:33 Pulimuli wrote: Do you guys drink coffee btw? or just water? Coffee, tea, or water. Milk is not paleo, but if you're not allergic to it then it's probably ok | ||
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