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xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
August 28 2011 18:36 GMT
#10601
On August 29 2011 02:38 sJarl wrote:
Get psyched!


2 reps at 400Kg. WTF
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
August 28 2011 18:51 GMT
#10602
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.


There's definitely been nutrition and sleep information (which is all VERY important to have down when you're talking about your health) posted throughout the thread - but sleep is something that most of us either have under control, or have decided to sacrifice. Nutrition is an extremely complex topic that is probably best served on sites that are able to go more into detail, beyond the basics (for example, I eat paleo and just started leangains. If you want to talk about those, I'd be happy to.) Weight lifting on the other hand, while being a topic most of us still understand is two important things:

1. It's a draw for new members to the thread. Every SC nerd can come in and want to look awesome, and they see this discussion here and (hopefully) are motivated. Even if they aren't willing to dedicate a LOT to this, one hour 3x.week is not a LOT.
2. It's a way to keep the rest of us honest. I'm not going to come in here and post "oh hey, slept for nine hours like I was supposed to, and ate all my meals with the right macros" - but I AM going to come in here and say "hit a new PR on Deadlifts. Really excited and great workout overall" then continue on to give someone advice on a question they've asked.

@Malinor: If you've got good form on your lifts, injuries aren't the most common thing around. If you ARE suspecting an injury, then that's probably highly individual and dependant on what you've been doing/what you've been doing wrong... So unless I'm someone who knows I have bad knees, I'm not going to worry about knee prehab/rehab... And if I have bad knees, I hopefully have learned by now how to take care of them.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
August 28 2011 18:57 GMT
#10603
On August 28 2011 21:56 rEiGN~ wrote:
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On August 28 2011 21:29 Energies wrote:
it's the clean grip, that's why it hurts so much. I wonder if it's because my guns are so enormous that I can't bend my forearm back far enough... *ponders*.


You just need more flexibility on your wrists -- more front squats and cleans!

Just read a few articles about intermittent fasting and I'm intrigued, especially because of the said mental benefits of not having to worry about the diet as much as with 6 meals a day pattern.

Martin recommends having the fast-breaking meal before workout. This raises a question to me since I tend to workout in the evenings, and currently it's part of my routine to go for a lunch at work around mid day, so there's around a 6 hour gap between lunch and working out. This means that it would be impossible to fit a post workout meal in the 8 hour eating window. I wonder if this can be managed without me becoming socially awkward lunch skipper at work.


I've got a PDF somewhere that is what you're looking for... There are different meal timings for people on different schedules. The one PreWO meal works best for college kids like me, who will eat at eleven and lift at 2. For people with real jobs, you might need something different. 16/8 also might not work for you - for some people, especially women, he recommends 15/9. Play around with numbers a bit.

http://doubleyourgains.com/musclebuildingmastermind/The_Leangains_Approach_Final.pdf

And for me personally, it's not eating at night that's a bitch right now =/ I'm used to having something (cup of milk and some almonds even, 400 cal) right before I go to sleep, but now I'm up 4 hours every night not eating.
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 19:24:31
August 28 2011 19:22 GMT
#10604
On August 28 2011 03:54 Tulius wrote:

sure, we could compete to see if you can catch up to my upper body exercises b4 I catch up with your squat ^^
DL is pretty even
are you on fitocracy?


Yea, i bet your squat will go up fast once you get going with it and get a proper rack, (dunno how bad it is atm tho.)

I am not on fitocracy.
Ohai!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
August 28 2011 19:46 GMT
#10605
On August 29 2011 03:36 xJupiter9x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 02:38 sJarl wrote:
Get psyched!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmPAvyNXo8

2 reps at 400Kg. WTF


Holy shit awesome vid. Motivated to get my food in check(kinda contradictory ), there is no excuse for a 75kg powerlifter to not have a 6 pack.

I will definetately try to squat 2 girls at some point for fun :D
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 22:25:13
August 28 2011 21:46 GMT
#10606
On August 29 2011 04:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 03:36 xJupiter9x wrote:
On August 29 2011 02:38 sJarl wrote:
Get psyched!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmPAvyNXo8

2 reps at 400Kg. WTF


Holy shit awesome vid. Motivated to get my food in check(kinda contradictory ), there is no excuse for a 75kg powerlifter to not have a 6 pack.

I will definetately try to squat 2 girls at some point for fun :D


There isn't really a reason for any experienced powerlifter sub 90kgs not to have a sixpack. Anything else is really just you being lazy with your diet.

The 10 sets of 3 today went very well. Did a walkout with 200kg on my back. I'll be continueing doing so in order to get adjusted to it.

Had to wear a hoodie in the last 4 sets since my shoulders were so raw from the new knurling on the bar.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
August 28 2011 22:50 GMT
#10607
On August 29 2011 01:18 sJarl wrote:
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On August 28 2011 23:39 Energies wrote:
lol, I could take steroids and workout 5 days a week I'd get fat drinking a gallon of milk a day. Damn my stoopid genetics.


steroids are bad, mmmmkay?


Just making a point about gomad, :D.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
August 28 2011 23:59 GMT
#10608
On August 28 2011 23:39 Energies wrote:
lol, I could take steroids and workout 5 days a week I'd get fat drinking a gallon of milk a day. Damn my stoopid genetics.


this would happen to anybody. I don't believe genetics are a big part of the laws of energy conservation :p
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 00:58:57
August 29 2011 00:58 GMT
#10609
On August 28 2011 23:16 funkie wrote:
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On August 28 2011 15:33 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On August 28 2011 04:43 phyre112 wrote:
On August 28 2011 04:31 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 04:27 phyre112 wrote:
On August 28 2011 03:58 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 03:08 Tulius wrote:
On August 28 2011 02:23 phyre112 wrote:
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:
so I went to the gym and
set a new PR on front squats (expected since this is only the 2nd time I do them)
failed OHP for the 2nd time after a reset
did a deadlift with the same weight as last week, with good form
and 10 pullups.

by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg right now)
my question is: according to strength standarts my bench and OHP are a bit past "novice" level while squat and DL are closer to "untrained"
I'm having a lot of trouble to progress with Bench and OHP, but I'm sure I can still progress a lot on Squat and DLs (lack of a proper squat rack is holding me back, tho)
Should I change my program?


How's your power clean? Or are you doing rows instead? Being "finished" with as should be dictated by your squat and dead, and those numbers are still very low. If you wanted to add 3xf dips and chins at the end of the a&b workout respectively though, I don't think it would hurt you.

Program add is one othe biggest enemies of a novice lifter. Do what works.


oh I forgot to add that I'm not doing original SS, but practical programming novice program, so not doing PC but doing chin-ups/pull-ups instead (currently at 15 reps for chins, 10 for pulls, no weight added)
based on how I'm feeling I think that I'm not being able to progress in OHP and BP because my body isn't being able to recover fully before the next workout (I might be wrong here... but that's how it feels), so I don't know if adding more assistance stuff would help (unless I reduce the load for the main exercises, would that be good to get through a plateau?)


I am pretty sure that the Practical Programming Novice Program also incorporates Power Cleans. Last time I checked the SS-wiki, it was outlined wrong (in my opinion, but I checked against the book and I am pretty sure the wiki is wrong, Rippetoe is all about the Power Clean in all his Strength-Programs). It should be alternating Chins and Deadlift/Powerclean:

Chins
Deadlift
Chins
Power Clean
Chins
Deadlift
Chins
Power Clean
...

edit: I think it actually also alternates Chins and Pull-ups, but that distinction feels less important to me.

edit2: Just checked the book again, the correct programm looks like this:
+ Show Spoiler +

Squat Press Deadlift

Squat Bench Chins

Squat Press Powerclean

Squat Bench Pull-ups

Squat Press Deadlift

Squat Bench Chins

etc.

Adding Front Squats once a week (2nd workout, 5th, 8th, 11th...) instead of Back Squats makes it more complicated, you may have 4 weeks (12 workouts) until the same workout repeats itself.


Besides that, I don't know what your goals are, but 182cm at 68kg is just very skinny for this kind of programming. If you really want to progress in the squat and deadlift, you should probably consider adding 10-15 more kg to your frame (you can still cut most of it later). If you don't want to do that, progress will just come much slower to you, that's just how it is. Your numbers right now indicate that you have not nearly exhausted your progress on the program.




I definitely agree you could use some weight. I started weighing the same as you, but ~10 cm taller, and my squat and dead skyrocketed when I put on 15kg. I'm back to adding weight now too, so I hope I can repeat the process since my squat is definitely my weak point.


192cm at 68kg? Holy cow... at some point you need to start posting pictures or videos dude


Haha, I'm up from that. I was 145 lb/66kg when I started lifting, just over a year ago now. I've got a few pictures from the start of the summer, which was me @ 165 lb (75kg) and I'll take new pictures then post both sets when I reach my new goal date, the first of november where I hope to be 185 lb/84kg.


Have you considered bulking up a bit more?

I mean, I'm 190cm at 92kg, and it's becoming pretty clear that I'm too light for my height. Unfortunately my girlfriend likes me with abs, so GOMAD is out of the question, but I am trying to reach 95-96kg currently and seeing if that improves my lifts. For me, every kg I gain gives me like 5kgs on my max squat... it's insane.



Decaf has abs. He Drinks hin milk.

Nuff said


haha rosa i'm shorter than you and weigh more with abs, quit being a bitch
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
August 29 2011 01:02 GMT
#10610
Why are the recommended rep range for chin-ups 15 before adding weights? I don't understand why that's the only exercise excluding DLs that deviates from 3x5.
Official Entusman #21
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
August 29 2011 01:25 GMT
#10611
On August 29 2011 10:02 infinity21 wrote:
Why are the recommended rep range for chin-ups 15 before adding weights? I don't understand why that's the only exercise excluding DLs that deviates from 3x5.


My guess is that it's harder to create linear progression with chinups/pullups as opposed to barbell exercises, but Wait around for someone who's more educated to give an answer.
exShikari
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia237 Posts
August 29 2011 03:30 GMT
#10612
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.
It is, in the end, whatever the Hell I want it to be, And when I'm through with it, it's gonna blow a hole, This wide, straight through the worlds own idea of itself. They're throwing bottles at your house. Come on, lets go break their arms.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
August 29 2011 03:34 GMT
#10613
On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.

I think it is a fitness thread. *Looks at title*
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
August 29 2011 04:29 GMT
#10614
On August 29 2011 10:25 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 10:02 infinity21 wrote:
Why are the recommended rep range for chin-ups 15 before adding weights? I don't understand why that's the only exercise excluding DLs that deviates from 3x5.


My guess is that it's harder to create linear progression with chinups/pullups as opposed to barbell exercises, but Wait around for someone who's more educated to give an answer.


linear progression on weighted chinups/pullups is very doable. once you can do 8 reps with bodyweight x3, i recommend you start doing weighted with 5kg in a 3x5 fashion. every week you can add a 1.25kg if you are eating well enough
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
August 29 2011 05:38 GMT
#10615
I've been posting here & working out but haven't followed a proper diet & routine yet. I said that I will start SS when I'm done with school so I will officially start SS tomorrow

Name: infinity21
Age: 22 || Height: 5'11" || Weight: 165 lbs at 15% bf
Starting Date: Aug, 29, 2011 || Goal Date: Dec 31, 2011
Weight goals -- 170 lbs at 10% bf
I want to get stronger and leaner. Going to try leangains first to see how it works for me.
If I can't make good strength gains, since it takes more priority for me atm, I might go for 185 lbs at ~18% bf then cut.
Training goals -- No idea if I'll reach or exceed any of these but might as well have some #s
squat - 300 (175x5 atm)
DL - 300 (haven't started)
BP - 185 (125x5 atm)
press - 130 (haven't started)
Chin-ups - BW + 45 lbs (BW+25x1 atm)
Nutrition goals -- start eating more paleo. I have no problems cooking stuff for myself but often skip out on veggies simply out of laziness so that is something else I need to fix.
Misc goals -- Learn SAS over the summer, become a better singer, get a 87+ avg in uni next term
Official Entusman #21
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 29 2011 05:50 GMT
#10616
On August 26 2011 06:27 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 05:37 Hurricane wrote:
On August 26 2011 04:03 funkie wrote:
On August 26 2011 03:47 decafchicken wrote:
On August 25 2011 07:30 Malinor wrote:
New Deadlift PR (235kg):



On August 25 2011 02:11 decafchicken wrote:
234kg

Your turn.


CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

Need to figure out when, potentially monday after i get back from my rugby tournament if i'm not sore. Although im not doing myself any favors right now (welcome week at college...non stop drinking)

Who wants to race me to 165kg deadlift?

ANy CONTENDERSSSSSSS :D?

You're on. What are you at currently? I'm too lazy to go look for your last update.


130kg x 5 / 150kg x 1

Jupiter...die .


i'll race ya to 165, i'm at 150
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 29 2011 05:50 GMT
#10617
On August 29 2011 14:38 infinity21 wrote:
I've been posting here & working out but haven't followed a proper diet & routine yet. I said that I will start SS when I'm done with school so I will officially start SS tomorrow

Name: infinity21
Age: 22 || Height: 5'11" || Weight: 165 lbs at 15% bf
Starting Date: Aug, 29, 2011 || Goal Date: Dec 31, 2011
Weight goals -- 170 lbs at 10% bf
I want to get stronger and leaner. Going to try leangains first to see how it works for me.
If I can't make good strength gains, since it takes more priority for me atm, I might go for 185 lbs at ~18% bf then cut.
Training goals -- No idea if I'll reach or exceed any of these but might as well have some #s
squat - 300 (175x5 atm)
DL - 300 (haven't started)
BP - 185 (125x5 atm)
press - 130 (haven't started)
Chin-ups - BW + 45 lbs (BW+25x1 atm)
Nutrition goals -- start eating more paleo. I have no problems cooking stuff for myself but often skip out on veggies simply out of laziness so that is something else I need to fix.
Misc goals -- Learn SAS over the summer, become a better singer, get a 87+ avg in uni next term

very ambitious, but really good luck with press lol
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
exShikari
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia237 Posts
August 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#10618
On August 29 2011 12:34 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.

I think it is a fitness thread. *Looks at title*

Look through the thread and tell me how many posts are related specifically to weightlifting.
It is, in the end, whatever the Hell I want it to be, And when I'm through with it, it's gonna blow a hole, This wide, straight through the worlds own idea of itself. They're throwing bottles at your house. Come on, lets go break their arms.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 29 2011 06:25 GMT
#10619
Nothing precludes you from discussing anything other than weightlifting.... weightlifting is a subset of fitness, so nothing wrong with talking about that either.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 06:30:32
August 29 2011 06:27 GMT
#10620
On August 29 2011 15:22 exShikari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2011 12:34 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On August 29 2011 12:30 exShikari wrote:
On August 28 2011 20:48 Malinor wrote:
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote:
I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.-


If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically.

edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind...

Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier.

Cardio helps with everything man, everything. I did read the OP which was fine, but yeah this is definitely a weight-lifting thread not a fitness thread which is why I questioned it. Sub-forums would be a good idea.

I think it is a fitness thread. *Looks at title*

Look through the thread and tell me how many posts are related specifically to weightlifting.


Yes there is a lot of posting related to lifting weights, and you are free to talk about other activities like others in this thread. There is no need to whine about it though. :/

btw I think this is klokov's youtube channel! He is the olympic 2008 silver medalist in the 105 category. One of my favorite lifters.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
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