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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:57 glurio wrote: Lifting six times a week, while running, training for push ups and rowing? I don't think you get enough recovery time with that. Agreed. You'll burn out after 2 weeks. Alternate days between lifting and other exercise. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
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Magicbox
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Magicbox
Denmark73 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:14 Energies wrote: My wrists hurt really bad while doing front squats and also power cleans. Anyone have a learning guide on how your hands/elbows/arms are supposed to look during a rack position on front squats and power cleans? How is your grip on front squats. Crossed arms or clean grip? If you cross, I can recommend you try and switch to a clean grip (although, it might take a while to learn). I can't help with the power cleans, as I have never done those before. | ||
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
On August 28 2011 19:09 exShikari wrote: You'll notice I did tell him how to achieve that goal, whilst giving him some advice on how not to strain his body. Also, I'm in excellent physical condition. Having a large frame in itself is not going to make you healthy. You need to have good core strength and solid joints before you start bulking up otherwise you're greatly increasing the likelihood of injury. I had to have a shoulder recon and guess what my post-op recovery started with? Cardio, cardio, cardio. Then light weights and core strength. Then after six months I was allowed to start bulking up again. Edit: missed the last part section. Overloading your reps by 10% will work better than going linear. I'm sure you're in "execellent" physical condition. but your shape is irrelevant. I never said anything about a large frame. Honestly, I believe the only way you can ever get big is with the use of drugs and even that takes many years of consistancy. You can get very strong without getting big and training naturally is the best way to do that. I don't know the details of your 'bulk' and your injury, but if you did for example SS you'd build insane core strength doing squats and deadlift. quit trollin' bro. Regarding reps to failure and weighted pullups etc - I can't speak for how just doing massive reps on bodyweight works progression wise, maybe it's better and maybe it's not. I'd be curious if anybody who trained this way could post some training stats and a progression timeline if they have it. Around when I could do 18/20 pullups, I switched to training weighted chinups. In 5 months I went from bodyweight +5kg x5 reps to bodyweight +35kg x5 reps at a bodyweight around 72kg to give you some idea of the progression thats possible | ||
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Malinor
Germany4753 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:05 exShikari wrote: I am genuinely at a loss as to why this thread is called the Health & Fitness initiative. I would rename it the bulking up thread. There's more to fitness than the size of your muscles -.- If you read the OP, you will find a lot about nutrition, gymnastics and miscellaneous stuff (sleeping etc.) in there also. This thread has mainly developed into a Weightlifting thread, which is a little bit unfortunate and the reason why we are trying to get a sub-forum, where we can split stuff up into running, lifting, gymnastics, whatever your heart desires basically. edit: I was surprised there is nothing about injuries/injury-prevention in our OP, or maybe I am just blind... Besides that, I feel that a lot of the stuff you have posted on the last page seems questionable or even flat out wrong to me (and I don't say that because I believe that lifting heavy weights is the only way to achieve health and fitness). ==> Cardio helping with Pull-Ups? Only in the sense that if you lose 5kg by doing cardio those Pull-Ups will get easier. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:23 shucklesors wrote: Hi guys, first time I'm posting in this thread ever, pardon me if I sound a little off than how you should normally post here.. So I challenged my friend to reaching 35 standard pull ups, and I wanna win as hell. I'm 16 this year and I weigh 68 kg, can do 22 standard pull ups as of earlier today. I know I'm not going to reach that number quick if I rely on just going through the same motion, so was just wondering if you guys got any advice on specific weight trainings that will build up muscle parts needed for that. Thanks in advance! I just read an article a while ago about a guy doing some testing with rediculous amounts of pull-ups and he basicly found out that going to failure = more endurance, i.e. higher reps, but (almost) no muscle growth and a higher volume without failure = hypertrophy but not a lot of gain in endurance. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/13064_pullups_in_5_months | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
On August 28 2011 20:38 Magicbox wrote: How is your grip on front squats. Crossed arms or clean grip? If you cross, I can recommend you try and switch to a clean grip (although, it might take a while to learn). I can't help with the power cleans, as I have never done those before. it's the clean grip, that's why it hurts so much. I wonder if it's because my guns are so enormous that I can't bend my forearm back far enough... *ponders*. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4753 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:29 Energies wrote: it's the clean grip, that's why it hurts so much. I wonder if it's because my guns are so enormous that I can't bend my forearm back far enough... *ponders*. I honestly believe that the only way to make that wrist pain go away is doing more front squats and cleans. It is just an awkward stretch for the wrists and it takes time for the body getting used to it. My wrists hurt a ton in the beginning. For the position, basically elbows as high up as possible (so that you still can hold the bar). Personally, I only grip the bar with 3 fingers on both sides, after the first 1-2 reps, my pinky always loses its grip. This should help, it is around 0.45-1.15: http://www.pendlay.com/Clean-progression-series_df_55.html | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:29 Energies wrote: it's the clean grip, that's why it hurts so much. I wonder if it's because my guns are so enormous that I can't bend my forearm back far enough... *ponders*. You just need more flexibility on your wrists -- more front squats and cleans! Just read a few articles about intermittent fasting and I'm intrigued, especially because of the said mental benefits of not having to worry about the diet as much as with 6 meals a day pattern. Martin recommends having the fast-breaking meal before workout. This raises a question to me since I tend to workout in the evenings, and currently it's part of my routine to go for a lunch at work around mid day, so there's around a 6 hour gap between lunch and working out. This means that it would be impossible to fit a post workout meal in the 8 hour eating window. I wonder if this can be managed without me becoming socially awkward lunch skipper at work. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4753 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:56 rEiGN~ wrote: You just need more flexibility on your wrists -- more front squats and cleans! Just read a few articles about intermittent fasting and I'm intrigued, especially because of the said mental benefits of not having to worry about the diet as much as with 6 meals a day pattern. Martin recommends having the fast-breaking meal before workout. This raises a question to me since I tend to workout in the evenings, and currently it's part of my routine to go for a lunch at work around mid day, so there's around a 6 hour gap between lunch and working out. This means that it would be impossible to fit a post workout meal in the 8 hour eating window. I wonder if this can be managed without me becoming socially awkward lunch skipper at work. He has this basic 16hours fasting/8hour feeding phase. I don't know how scientific that is, but I would assume that you could get away with a 15/9 or maybe even a 14/10 distribution, which should solve your problem. But I am speculating here, I don't know enough about his approach. I just view his protocol more as a strategy to control hunger. | ||
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:56 rEiGN~ wrote: You just need more flexibility on your wrists -- more front squats and cleans! Just read a few articles about intermittent fasting and I'm intrigued, especially because of the said mental benefits of not having to worry about the diet as much as with 6 meals a day pattern. Martin recommends having the fast-breaking meal before workout. This raises a question to me since I tend to workout in the evenings, and currently it's part of my routine to go for a lunch at work around mid day, so there's around a 6 hour gap between lunch and working out. This means that it would be impossible to fit a post workout meal in the 8 hour eating window. I wonder if this can be managed without me becoming socially awkward lunch skipper at work. if you read the website, he outlines protocols for people exactly like you. in your case, you'd go with two meals before your workout. I'd link it to you, but honestly if you're considering IF then you really should have read a lot of his website first because all your questions are answered there. | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On August 28 2011 22:25 Sinep wrote: if you read the website, he outlines protocols for people exactly like you. in your case, you'd go with two meals before your workout. I'd link it to you, but honestly if you're considering IF then you really should have read a lot of his website first because all your questions are answered there. I've been reading it, probably missed that one so far. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:55 Malinor wrote: I honestly believe that the only way to make that wrist pain go away is doing more front squats and cleans. It is just an awkward stretch for the wrists and it takes time for the body getting used to it. My wrists hurt a ton in the beginning. For the position, basically elbows as high up as possible (so that you still can hold the bar). Personally, I only grip the bar with 3 fingers on both sides, after the first 1-2 reps, my pinky always loses its grip. This should help, it is around 0.45-1.15: http://www.pendlay.com/Clean-progression-series_df_55.html That's pretty much the case for me, I only have like my index and middle finger holding the bar, and that video is pretty much the same thing I do, I guess I just need to keep going at it. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
On August 28 2011 15:33 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote: Have you considered bulking up a bit more? I mean, I'm 190cm at 92kg, and it's becoming pretty clear that I'm too light for my height. Unfortunately my girlfriend likes me with abs, so GOMAD is out of the question, but I am trying to reach 95-96kg currently and seeing if that improves my lifts. For me, every kg I gain gives me like 5kgs on my max squat... it's insane. Decaf has abs. He Drinks hin milk. Nuff said | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
On August 28 2011 23:39 Energies wrote: lol, I could take steroids and workout 5 days a week I'd get fat drinking a gallon of milk a day. Damn my stoopid genetics. steroids are bad, mmmmkay? | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 28 2011 21:00 Logros wrote: I just read an article a while ago about a guy doing some testing with rediculous amounts of pull-ups and he basicly found out that going to failure = more endurance, i.e. higher reps, but (almost) no muscle growth and a higher volume without failure = hypertrophy but not a lot of gain in endurance. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/13064_pullups_in_5_months GTG can work well, but it's highly dependent on getting massive amounts of volume. I'd probably go the failure route though... do volume sets, then go to failure on the last couple sets. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 28 2011 18:39 Magicbox wrote: Hi all! I remember I used to post a little in one of the old H & F threads. I have been lifting on and off for some time, but I have decided I'm going to get huge. I'm starting a 3split routine tomorrow. My hope is that by posting in this thread I will stay motivated. I will get some pictures taken asap, so I can see how my progress is. I have some secondary goals as well. First is being able to do a hundrede push-ups by the end of the semester. The whole class is training after each schoolday in order to reach the goal. Second is getting some running shoes, so I can start running. I don't have any specific distances in mind, I'm just trying to improve my cardiovascular health. Third is getting back into mountainbike hiking (in forest and such) again. Fourth and last goal is to start rowing, so we can compete properly at our schools yearly competition (maritime school). I'm 180 cm and weigh ~80 kg at present. 1. Hundred pushups can use that site which is already posted. 2. Running shoes -- get flats. Weight lifting improves cardiovascular health though too so I don't see why you HAVE to run but that's up to you. 3. Well yeah just go do it :p 4. What is the distance for the competition? When is it? That will depend on what type of training you need if you want to do well | ||
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sJarl
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