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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 06 2015 16:45 GMT
#81
The np thing is kind of stupid since it doesn't do anything to subscribers and like 95% of people who get linked lol content who want to read it are going to be subscribed.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 06 2015 19:01 GMT
#82
On May 07 2015 01:45 Ansibled wrote:
The np thing is kind of stupid since it doesn't do anything to subscribers and like 95% of people who get linked lol content who want to read it are going to be subscribed.


That's not true, many people use reddit as their gateway to LoL content. I know I was until I realized that the subreddit is filtered. Ongamers lost a lot of viewer base from their content ban, because people don't make the effort to bookmark stuff and check everything, they like it on one page, and reading the comments on reddit.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 06 2015 21:34 GMT
#83
NEVER post personal information. If including screenshots, personal information must be obscured. Posting personal information of people can be EXTREMELY HARMFUL and is prohibited. Personal Information includes:

Full names (first and/or last name)
Addresses
Skype accounts
Social Media accounts (facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc) that are not publicly available*
Phone Numbers
Pictures of people who haven't connected their name to their face
Images hosted by private accounts (whether facebook, twitter, etc)
Summoner names


Am I the only one who thinks many of these restrictions are unreasonable? In particular, full names and summoner names probably need to be posted for all moderators, and all content creators. If the other things can be extrapolated from those 2 things using publicly available information, that it the modern world.
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RichardLewis
Profile Joined April 2015
United Kingdom15 Posts
May 07 2015 06:08 GMT
#84
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats.


That's a compilation of people complaining about the same "doxxing" threats from over a year ago, with no evidence provided but the public tweets from that time. Hardly conclusive is it.

If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.


I've never harassed another user. I've verbally berated plenty but only after they've said something stupid and/or false about me, my work and my motivations.

I've NEVER vote-brigaded through Twitter.

So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.


Both of these things are inarguable.


Here's some examples of RL's shining behavior:
RL makes fun of a Redditor's suicidal tendencies, who then actually commits suicide


These are not examples of my "behaviour." These are, again, examples of other people accusing me of things. I've never mocked anyone for suicidal tendancies. I've mocked someone for telling me to grow up while complaining about how he lived with his parents. This is fairly easy to prove.

He also routinely writes articles that are nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to cause drama and ruin the reputation of others.
His NDA article. Commentary on the article by a lawyer
Trying to hurt ESEX after they wrote a satire piece on him


This is a really stupid summary of what I do for a living, especially about ESEX. I wasn't "trying to hurt them." I even helped back their SC2 kickstarter.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
May 07 2015 08:54 GMT
#85
On May 07 2015 06:34 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
NEVER post personal information. If including screenshots, personal information must be obscured. Posting personal information of people can be EXTREMELY HARMFUL and is prohibited. Personal Information includes:

Full names (first and/or last name)
Addresses
Skype accounts
Social Media accounts (facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc) that are not publicly available*
Phone Numbers
Pictures of people who haven't connected their name to their face
Images hosted by private accounts (whether facebook, twitter, etc)
Summoner names


Am I the only one who thinks many of these restrictions are unreasonable? In particular, full names and summoner names probably need to be posted for all moderators, and all content creators. If the other things can be extrapolated from those 2 things using publicly available information, that it the modern world.


It's done because there are crazy people on the internet who go on a witchhunt after people they don't like. You'd be surprised how easy it is to find where a person lives, or their phone number just from some other information you wouldn't think was sensitive, Google is a stalkers friend.

Ex: Someone gets called out for flaming in lobby, screenshots posted on reddit. Dozens of people add that person and flame them back, thinking they're justified. That's a nice example, on more serious subjects people have been caught calling with death threats. It only takes one idiot to traumatize another.

You said mods should post full names, and that's a big no-no in my books. RL might criticize in a very condescending tone, but there are people who go way further than that. Even summoner names, they'd be getting a dozen friend requests every day of people who want to berate them on their job, or just flame. Content creators are different because they willingly expose themselves to the public, and are generally not targets for abuse unless something very negative is found out about them.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
May 07 2015 09:27 GMT
#86
On May 07 2015 04:01 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 01:45 Ansibled wrote:
The np thing is kind of stupid since it doesn't do anything to subscribers and like 95% of people who get linked lol content who want to read it are going to be subscribed.


That's not true, many people use reddit as their gateway to LoL content. I know I was until I realized that the subreddit is filtered. Ongamers lost a lot of viewer base from their content ban, because people don't make the effort to bookmark stuff and check everything, they like it on one page, and reading the comments on reddit.

I mean subscribers of the subreddit. I figure the people clicking /r/leagueoflegends links on Twitter who have Reddit accounts to vote in the first place are already going to be subscribed to /r/leagueoflegends, and np doesn't do anything if you're linked to a subreddit you subscribe to.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 10:01:06
May 07 2015 09:51 GMT
#87
On May 07 2015 17:54 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 06:34 cLutZ wrote:
NEVER post personal information. If including screenshots, personal information must be obscured. Posting personal information of people can be EXTREMELY HARMFUL and is prohibited. Personal Information includes:

Full names (first and/or last name)
Addresses
Skype accounts
Social Media accounts (facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin, etc) that are not publicly available*
Phone Numbers
Pictures of people who haven't connected their name to their face
Images hosted by private accounts (whether facebook, twitter, etc)
Summoner names


Am I the only one who thinks many of these restrictions are unreasonable? In particular, full names and summoner names probably need to be posted for all moderators, and all content creators. If the other things can be extrapolated from those 2 things using publicly available information, that it the modern world.


It's done because there are crazy people on the internet who go on a witchhunt after people they don't like. You'd be surprised how easy it is to find where a person lives, or their phone number just from some other information you wouldn't think was sensitive, Google is a stalkers friend.

Ex: Someone gets called out for flaming in lobby, screenshots posted on reddit. Dozens of people add that person and flame them back, thinking they're justified. That's a nice example, on more serious subjects people have been caught calling with death threats. It only takes one idiot to traumatize another.

You said mods should post full names, and that's a big no-no in my books. RL might criticize in a very condescending tone, but there are people who go way further than that. Even summoner names, they'd be getting a dozen friend requests every day of people who want to berate them on their job, or just flame. Content creators are different because they willingly expose themselves to the public, and are generally not targets for abuse unless something very negative is found out about them.


I think that this is theoretically fine for people with no influence, but my experiences on the D2 US East "Whitelist" indicates that such a system is unworkable once anonymous people have any real power. At one point a guy stole over $10k (conservative eBay value) in items during a trade he was supposed to be moderating. In terms of the LoL subreddit, that kind of money is peanuts.

Also the problem with an anonymous network like this is it creates, more or less, a "cabal" wherein minor abuses that people know about from within the system are covered up because the other mods know your information (most likely) and if you expose their corruption (even using their anonymous name) they can retaliate with that "proprietary" information so it creates several perverse incentives within the power structure.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 07 2015 12:57 GMT
#88
For most of this I can't be assed to care about reddit because it's not the best news medium there is, it's just a popular memefactory that also has relevant news. Nothing you couldn't get without RSSing the popular league news sites.

HOWEVER the concept of calling out Richard for vote brigading on Twitter is very interesting. I don't think it's definitive that what he did was necessarily vote brigading without breaching his own right to post reddit news to his twitterbase. Essentially people are saying that he KNOWS that people will enforce his viewpoint and essentially extend his reach into reddit with a large amount of votes in his favor (be it up or down). So is this the case if someone with 1 Twitter follower does the same exact thing, are they then vote brigading? If not (and I suspect that's not the case) there's a definitive line in the sand that once you reach x amount of popularity, you're no longer allowed to share your viewpoints on certain reddit articles on Twitter anymore. Does anyone see this as a problem? It's reddit mods controlling a completely different (if intertwined) aspect of social media and that seems more fucked up than RL just being a gigantic dickbag to a whole bunch of people. That said he does get absolutely way more circumstantial evidence or just straight up rumors attributed to him that may not even be true simply because he's pissed off a large amount of people.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 07 2015 14:06 GMT
#89
On May 07 2015 15:08 RichardLewis wrote:
Show nested quote +
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats.


That's a compilation of people complaining about the same "doxxing" threats from over a year ago, with no evidence provided but the public tweets from that time. Hardly conclusive is it.

Show nested quote +
If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.


I've never harassed another user. I've verbally berated plenty but only after they've said something stupid and/or false about me, my work and my motivations.

I've NEVER vote-brigaded through Twitter.

Show nested quote +
So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.


Both of these things are inarguable.


Show nested quote +
Here's some examples of RL's shining behavior:
RL makes fun of a Redditor's suicidal tendencies, who then actually commits suicide


These are not examples of my "behaviour." These are, again, examples of other people accusing me of things. I've never mocked anyone for suicidal tendancies. I've mocked someone for telling me to grow up while complaining about how he lived with his parents. This is fairly easy to prove.

Show nested quote +
He also routinely writes articles that are nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to cause drama and ruin the reputation of others.
His NDA article. Commentary on the article by a lawyer
Trying to hurt ESEX after they wrote a satire piece on him


This is a really stupid summary of what I do for a living, especially about ESEX. I wasn't "trying to hurt them." I even helped back their SC2 kickstarter.


Hi Richard,

On reddit, you managed to belittle someone by talking about a video he made in highschool. Apparently you found this video on his Facebook. I am pretty impressed, since you must have gotten his real name and other sensitive information via a reddit handle. I am curious as to how you did it.

Secondly, on the video you posted, you showed a screenshot of your Linkdin being examined by a reddit mod. I am curious how you found out that's a reddit mod. Since you chose to blur out the names, I can only assume this isn't some publically available information. You must have figured out that person's real name somehow.

Of course you could just be doing all of this for your own research purposes (not doxing), but it does seem to me that you are very good at digging up information from the internet. It's like you carrying a loaded gun and not afraid to tell other people that you have a loaded gun; you can shoot people with it, but you insist that you won't do it. So at this point it's a matter of whether or not we can trust you with the loaded gun.

But lately, especially with the Deman email leak, this trust has been pretty shakey. I find it pretty reasonable to believe that you did dox the mods regardless of how much you deny it. It's really easy to connect the dots since you have the information and you have done it in the past.

Maybe the Deman email wasn't your best choice you've made, but I just want to point out that with great power comes great responsibility. You really should consider what you are doing and not get involved in petty arguments.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 07 2015 14:11 GMT
#90
On May 07 2015 23:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 15:08 RichardLewis wrote:
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats.


That's a compilation of people complaining about the same "doxxing" threats from over a year ago, with no evidence provided but the public tweets from that time. Hardly conclusive is it.

If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.


I've never harassed another user. I've verbally berated plenty but only after they've said something stupid and/or false about me, my work and my motivations.

I've NEVER vote-brigaded through Twitter.

So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.


Both of these things are inarguable.


Here's some examples of RL's shining behavior:
RL makes fun of a Redditor's suicidal tendencies, who then actually commits suicide


These are not examples of my "behaviour." These are, again, examples of other people accusing me of things. I've never mocked anyone for suicidal tendancies. I've mocked someone for telling me to grow up while complaining about how he lived with his parents. This is fairly easy to prove.

He also routinely writes articles that are nothing more than thinly veiled attempts to cause drama and ruin the reputation of others.
His NDA article. Commentary on the article by a lawyer
Trying to hurt ESEX after they wrote a satire piece on him


This is a really stupid summary of what I do for a living, especially about ESEX. I wasn't "trying to hurt them." I even helped back their SC2 kickstarter.


Hi Richard,

On reddit, you managed to belittle someone by talking about a video he made in highschool. Apparently you found this video on his Facebook. I am pretty impressed, since you must have gotten his real name and other sensitive information via a reddit handle. I am curious as to how you did it.

Secondly, on the video you posted, you showed a screenshot of your Linkdin being examined by a reddit mod. I am curious how you found out that's a reddit mod. Since you chose to blur out the names, I can only assume this isn't some publically available information. You must have figured out that person's real name somehow.

Of course you could just be doing all of this for your own research purposes (not doxing), but it does seem to me that you are very good at digging up information from the internet. It's like you carrying a loaded gun and not afraid to tell other people that you have a loaded gun; you can shoot people with it, but you insist that you won't do it. So at this point it's a matter of whether or not we can trust you with the loaded gun.

But lately, especially with the Deman email leak, this trust has been pretty shakey. I find it pretty reasonable to believe that you did dox the mods regardless of how much you deny it. It's really easy to connect the dots since you have the information and you have done it in the past.

Maybe the Deman email wasn't your best choice you've made, but I just want to point out that with great power comes great responsibility. You really should consider what you are doing and not get involved in petty arguments.


It's not that difficult to find people's real names on the internet, it's hardly some super advanced "doxxing" that requires "leet haxx0rs." I can probably find your real name right now just based on the information you've divulged on the forums by using Google + 10 minutes of my time. It's hardly some "threat" since people in this day and age should not have an expectation of anonymity if they divulge personal information, however minor they think it might be.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 14:56:02
May 07 2015 14:52 GMT
#91
Sure, hypothetically you may be able to find out who I am or find out about any user, but you don't start the argument by first dig in and find some personal information as a source for attack.

The way RL does it suggests to me that he is good at it. Now, this may simply be due to his training and experience from his job, but it is a little concerning how willing he is to show off how much he can dig up.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 07 2015 14:57 GMT
#92
I'm struggling to make the connection between him finding out user's information via things they themselves willingly post, and him needing to have all of his content banned. If he's never doxxed a mod before then what is it to you if he finds out their information? You equate having his knowledge to having a loaded weapon, when really I just think it's very basic information that someone had willingly put up on the Internet. Just because you're online doesn't give you full privacy rights if you then proceed to talk about your personal life online. Just my two cents, but I don't see how you came to whatever conclusion you've gotten to.
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 07 2015 14:59 GMT
#93
Technically he not only found mod's personal information, but allegedly threathened to use it against them as well.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 07 2015 15:01 GMT
#94
I guess in the Internet age circumstantial evidence is rock solid evidence, because I have never seen damning proof of him doing anything besides being a dickwad to people who disagree with him or insult him. And I've spent time actually reading the RL drama threads.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 07 2015 15:10 GMT
#95
On May 08 2015 00:01 Zdrastochye wrote:
I guess in the Internet age circumstantial evidence is rock solid evidence, because I have never seen damning proof of him doing anything besides being a dickwad to people who disagree with him or insult him. And I've spent time actually reading the RL drama threads.



I think one of the issues he mentioned is that mods are public figures and thus do not have rights to a lot of their privacy (at least according to US laws).

So, my understanding is that if we follow this logic, then any information is fair game.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 07 2015 15:17 GMT
#96
And this pertains to the issue at hand how? I'm just missing your connection to this story, that's all. I know I know I'm particularly stupid.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 07 2015 15:22 GMT
#97
Reddit (the website as a whole) has vast interests in protecting subreddit mods from real and perceived harms. After all, subreddit mods essentially work for reddit for free.

In RL's case, /r/lol's mods probably feel threatened by RL and raised the issue with Reddit. Reddit decided to throw the books at RL (which they are totally allowed to do) by banning his content and hurts him financially.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 07 2015 22:54 GMT
#98
On May 08 2015 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Reddit (the website as a whole) has vast interests in protecting subreddit mods from real and perceived harms. After all, subreddit mods essentially work for reddit for free.

In RL's case, /r/lol's mods probably feel threatened by RL and raised the issue with Reddit. Reddit decided to throw the books at RL (which they are totally allowed to do) by banning his content and hurts him financially.


I understand it from Reddit's POV, but really the problem is they have created this money bottleneck because access to the frontpage of /r/lol is very lucrative. Instead of paying a moderator, they have forced the moderators to go rent-seeking, and they have.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 08 2015 02:42 GMT
#99
On May 08 2015 07:54 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Reddit (the website as a whole) has vast interests in protecting subreddit mods from real and perceived harms. After all, subreddit mods essentially work for reddit for free.

In RL's case, /r/lol's mods probably feel threatened by RL and raised the issue with Reddit. Reddit decided to throw the books at RL (which they are totally allowed to do) by banning his content and hurts him financially.


I understand it from Reddit's POV, but really the problem is they have created this money bottleneck because access to the frontpage of /r/lol is very lucrative. Instead of paying a moderator, they have forced the moderators to go rent-seeking, and they have.



Here's how I look at it.

You, the content creator, is a pan-handler on the street. Reddit is this upper-class passby and your potential benefactor. If you want to make money, you better ask your benefactor nicely and don't break any rules. This, by itself, feels reasonable. I also think Reddit as a for-profit organization as done OK for themselves so far despite some of the drama (like fappening, etc.).

But I do agree that some of the subreddit (/r/politcs, /r/lol, etc.) may have a bit too much traffic and volunteer moderation may be unsustainable. It's not clear to me how this can be solved.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 02:52:23
May 08 2015 02:49 GMT
#100
On May 08 2015 11:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 07:54 cLutZ wrote:
On May 08 2015 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Reddit (the website as a whole) has vast interests in protecting subreddit mods from real and perceived harms. After all, subreddit mods essentially work for reddit for free.

In RL's case, /r/lol's mods probably feel threatened by RL and raised the issue with Reddit. Reddit decided to throw the books at RL (which they are totally allowed to do) by banning his content and hurts him financially.


I understand it from Reddit's POV, but really the problem is they have created this money bottleneck because access to the frontpage of /r/lol is very lucrative. Instead of paying a moderator, they have forced the moderators to go rent-seeking, and they have.



Here's how I look at it.

You, the content creator, is a pan-handler on the street. Reddit is this upper-class passby and your potential benefactor. If you want to make money, you better ask your benefactor nicely and don't break any rules. This, by itself, feels reasonable. I also think Reddit as a for-profit organization as done OK for themselves so far despite some of the drama (like fappening, etc.).

But I do agree that some of the subreddit (/r/politcs, /r/lol, etc.) may have a bit too much traffic and volunteer moderation may be unsustainable. It's not clear to me how this can be solved.


Well its clear how it can be solved: They pay a moderator to moderate the sub, and the contract would give him a fiduciary duty to reddit rather than his own whims. I do know reddit is having trouble monetizing, so that might not be feasible. If that is the case then the next best option is for moderators of large subs to have to be public figures.

Like I said, its not reddit as an entity that is the issue, its individual moderators' financial interests, and the group dynamic created by anonymity that is.
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