Richard Lewis, and all his content was banned from Reddit for, uhm, reasons? I can't really find an explanation from Reddit mods anywhere, if anyone can provide it, I'll add it to this post
He's posted a long rant in his defence:
I don't really know what's going on here.
Hokay I found something to quote, from the LoL subreddit mods:
[...]However, as time went on, it was clear that Richard was intent on using twitter to send brigades to the subreddit to disrupt and cheat the vote system by downvoting negative views of Richard and upvoting positive views.
Because of these two things, we have escalated our initial account ban to a ban on all Richard Lewis content. His youtube channel, his articles, his twitch, and his twitter are no longer welcome in this subreddit. We will also not allow any rehosted content from this individual. If we see users making a habit of trying to work around this ban, we will ban them. Fair warning.
On April 23 2015 13:32 Raneth wrote: Having just watched this video: What... The... Fuck. Like seriously, is it not getting to a point where he can sue for liable?
On April 23 2015 13:32 Raneth wrote: Having just watched this video: What... The... Fuck. Like seriously, is it not getting to a point where he can sue for liable?
no. not even close
All he needs to show is financial harm based on unfounded damage to reputation surely?
On April 23 2015 13:32 Raneth wrote: Having just watched this video: What... The... Fuck. Like seriously, is it not getting to a point where he can sue for liable?
no. not even close
All he needs to show is financial harm based on unfounded damage to reputation surely?
EDIT: spelling I meant Libel
it's not that simple.
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats. If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.
On top of that, Reddit (and its subreddits) are well within their rights to ban content from a particular source. There is no right to have your content disseminated on private websites.
So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.
If anything, the r/lol mods can sue him for invasion of privacy and harassment.
I can see why you would ban him and all of his accounts but I don't understand a sweeping ban on all of his content. He has been pretty big in the roster swap leaking game and they would ban that because he as a person isn't nice to them? He's providing a service to the community. If people want to discuss his stuff on a subreddit where it is relevant I don't see why they shouldn't be able to.
Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
On April 23 2015 15:44 Sufficiency wrote: Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I guess it's sort of like this. Apple Inc, pretty much has a list of companies and reviewers that they let in for early access to their products. With the caveat that the reviewers and companies aren't allowed to leave any negative reviews on their products, otherwise they black list these reviewers and companies from future early hands-on product testing and various other Apple functions. Sure, Apple is well within it's rights to do so, but guess who gets hurt by all this? the future consumers, who are reading the reviews on Apple products.
Now obviously this isn't a perfect fit, but in the context of what's going on. I know personally I really like RL's articles and what he bring forward as news to the LoL community, and that not having easy access to it via /r/lol subreddit, will hurt the community as a whole. Similarly I was equally sad when Ongamers got completely buttfucked by the mod team a while back.
On April 23 2015 13:32 Raneth wrote: Having just watched this video: What... The... Fuck. Like seriously, is it not getting to a point where he can sue for liable?
no. not even close
All he needs to show is financial harm based on unfounded damage to reputation surely?
EDIT: spelling I meant Libel
it's not that simple.
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats. If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.
On top of that, Reddit (and its subreddits) are well within their rights to ban content from a particular source. There is no right to have your content disseminated on private websites.
So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.
If anything, the r/lol mods can sue him for invasion of privacy and harassment.
I could go on, but RL's history is long and colorful.
The NDA article is particularly interesting. Bryce used to work with Richard Lewis and had an appearance on First Blood. But I guess Bryce decided to go "fuck it" and pointed out that RL's article is totally bogus.
The entire thing about that NDA was just a distraction from some of the more important things at hands - the subreddit has too much traffic and there is too much money involved for a bunch of volunteer to moderate. Are there under the table deals on that subreddit? Honestly I would not be surprised at all. But there is no evidence whatsoever that Riot is involved in it or that Riot is even remotely interested (since they have more to lose if they are found out).
On April 23 2015 15:44 Sufficiency wrote: Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I guess it's sort of like this. Apple Inc, pretty much has a list of companies and reviewers that they let in for early access to their products. With the caveat that the reviewers and companies aren't allowed to leave any negative reviews on their products, otherwise they black list these reviewers and companies from future early hands-on product testing and various other Apple functions. Sure, Apple is well within it's rights to do so, but guess who gets hurt by all this? the future consumers, who are reading the reviews on Apple products.
Now obviously this isn't a perfect fit, but in the context of what's going on. I know personally I really like RL's articles and what he bring forward as news to the LoL community, and that not having easy access to it via /r/lol subreddit, will hurt the community as a whole. Similarly I was equally sad when Ongamers got completely buttfucked by the mod team a while back.
You are absolutely correct. So unless you can come up with an alternative to reddit, reddit can do whatever they want.
That being said, RL is hardly a sympathetic figure.
As far as vote brigading goes, there's no evidence at all they he actively encouraged people to downvote anyone. On the other hand, he is posting links to reddit comments that he finds distasteful on his twitter and he should have an idea what his followers will do with that information. Especially since he cites the TotalBiscuit incident. So I'd say that's a rather grey area.
In any event, it's hardly libel. No one is going to stop reading his work because he vote brigaded.
On April 23 2015 15:44 Sufficiency wrote: Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I guess it's sort of like this. Apple Inc, pretty much has a list of companies and reviewers that they let in for early access to their products. With the caveat that the reviewers and companies aren't allowed to leave any negative reviews on their products, otherwise they black list these reviewers and companies from future early hands-on product testing and various other Apple functions. Sure, Apple is well within it's rights to do so, but guess who gets hurt by all this? the future consumers, who are reading the reviews on Apple products.
Now obviously this isn't a perfect fit, but in the context of what's going on. I know personally I really like RL's articles and what he bring forward as news to the LoL community, and that not having easy access to it via /r/lol subreddit, will hurt the community as a whole. Similarly I was equally sad when Ongamers got completely buttfucked by the mod team a while back.
IIRC Ongamers didn't get screwed by the mod team. Ongamers got screwed by Reddit admins because they were manipulating votes, which is a Reddit site-wide no-no.
Honestly, the only thing RL has put out lately that I even bother to read are his leaks of roster swaps. His pieces on Riot, r/lol, or quite frankly anyone who criticizes him (I still find it fuckin hilarious that he's so childish he had to go and write an "expose" on ESEX after they wrote a satire piece on him) are so incredibly biased it's like reading Fox News or NBC - no matter how accurate or thought provoking the article, it's almost unreadable.
On April 23 2015 16:10 Sonnington wrote: As far as vote brigading goes, there's no evidence at all they he actively encouraged people to downvote anyone. On the other hand, he is posting links to reddit comments that he finds distasteful on his twitter and he should have an idea what his followers will do with that information. Especially since he cites the TotalBiscuit incident. So I'd say that's a rather grey area.
In any event, it's hardly libel. No one is going to stop reading his work because he vote brigaded.
Just because you don't say the words "downvote this" doesn't mean it's not vote brigading.
Intent matters. RL knows very well what he's doing when he links very specific posts on his twitter.
On April 23 2015 15:44 Sufficiency wrote: Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I guess it's sort of like this. Apple Inc, pretty much has a list of companies and reviewers that they let in for early access to their products. With the caveat that the reviewers and companies aren't allowed to leave any negative reviews on their products, otherwise they black list these reviewers and companies from future early hands-on product testing and various other Apple functions. Sure, Apple is well within it's rights to do so, but guess who gets hurt by all this? the future consumers, who are reading the reviews on Apple products.
Now obviously this isn't a perfect fit, but in the context of what's going on. I know personally I really like RL's articles and what he bring forward as news to the LoL community, and that not having easy access to it via /r/lol subreddit, will hurt the community as a whole. Similarly I was equally sad when Ongamers got completely buttfucked by the mod team a while back.
You are absolutely correct. So unless you can come up with an alternative to reddit, reddit can do whatever they want.
That being said, RL is hardly a sympathetic figure.
Or-or-or they could just do something simpler, like... Ban RLewis's Reddit account, and just let his content allowed to be posted by other users, much like how a lot of content on r/lol works.
On April 23 2015 15:44 Sufficiency wrote: Basically reddit is using the nuclear option against Richard Lewis. I don't see anything wrong with it - they are perfectly within their rights to do so.
I guess it's sort of like this. Apple Inc, pretty much has a list of companies and reviewers that they let in for early access to their products. With the caveat that the reviewers and companies aren't allowed to leave any negative reviews on their products, otherwise they black list these reviewers and companies from future early hands-on product testing and various other Apple functions. Sure, Apple is well within it's rights to do so, but guess who gets hurt by all this? the future consumers, who are reading the reviews on Apple products.
Now obviously this isn't a perfect fit, but in the context of what's going on. I know personally I really like RL's articles and what he bring forward as news to the LoL community, and that not having easy access to it via /r/lol subreddit, will hurt the community as a whole. Similarly I was equally sad when Ongamers got completely buttfucked by the mod team a while back.
You are absolutely correct. So unless you can come up with an alternative to reddit, reddit can do whatever they want.
That being said, RL is hardly a sympathetic figure.
Or-or-or they could just do something simpler, like... Ban RLewis's Reddit account, and just let his content allowed to be posted by other users, much like how a lot of content on r/lol works.
They did that a long time ago. It didn't solve the problem, hence the escalation to a content ban.
A lot of people are acting as tho r/lol should've just banned RL from posting. The problem is that they already did that months ago. RL didn't get the message.
I'm just annoyed they went to the extent of banning his content, because I use reddit as my main LoL news hub.
I'm seldom interested in the rest of the stuff that's on Dailydot so RSS Feed-ing the website is a no-go, and while for a good couple of months I was following RL on twitter, his angsty twitter spam got so heavy I just gave up and unfollowed him.
It's RL right to spam his twitter however he likes; just that I initially followed him to get updates on new articles, argumentative retweets and tweets. Also in the reddit mods' right to govern the subreddit however they like, just that initially I subscribed to r/lol just to scan for interesting articles and news.
On April 23 2015 13:32 Raneth wrote: Having just watched this video: What... The... Fuck. Like seriously, is it not getting to a point where he can sue for liable?
no. not even close
All he needs to show is financial harm based on unfounded damage to reputation surely?
EDIT: spelling I meant Libel
it's not that simple.
How is he going to do that? He damaged his own reputation with his actions. Here's a compilation of all his doxxing threats. If you do some digging you can find several compilations of his harassment of other users. Plus, all the things the mods are accusing him of are easily proven since he uses his own twitter account to vote brigade and shit.
On top of that, Reddit (and its subreddits) are well within their rights to ban content from a particular source. There is no right to have your content disseminated on private websites.
So, RL would have to show that the r/lol mods in fact damaged his reputation. Then on top of that, he has to show that that damage caused him financial harm, not the removal of his content from Reddit.
If anything, the r/lol mods can sue him for invasion of privacy and harassment.
noone is saying RL is a saint, but i enjoy his content and my trust for the r/lol mods is below zero. its evident for me that they abuse their power in seeking their own interest, and act like they own this diverese community of hundreds of thousand people and telling blatant lies to defend themselves.
nothing will change though. a few people will switch to r/riotfreelol but the majority will stay, even if they disagree with baning RL's content. which is quite a pity.
EPT
I meant Libel
