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Free Richard Lewis!
We will be reviewing the ban in about three months from the start of the ban. If his behavior has significantly improved by that point, we will consider removing the ban. This has always been our intention.
I distincly remember a moderator saying they would not go back on the ban...
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On May 18 2015 21:03 Majax wrote:Show nested quote +Free Richard Lewis!
We will be reviewing the ban in about three months from the start of the ban. If his behavior has significantly improved by that point, we will consider removing the ban. This has always been our intention. I distincly remember a moderator saying they would not go back on the ban...
Truth doesn't matter to them.
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What a silly gambit. It's like the NYC cops who tried to stop issuing traffic and parking tickets. If they stopped moderating RLewis content, no one would complain. Instead, they are going full bore and hoping /r/lol gets filled with Kardashian posts or some bs. Which is like cops not policing muggings and saying, "see, stop complaining about your parking tickets."
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The best part of it all? RLewis content is still gunna be banned on /r/lol during mod free week because it's "bot" banned.
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As it should be! And 3 months is reasonable enough for a review, still shows they are committed, and still forces Richard to be a bitch; something that does not go well with his ego.
What an interesting moral fight! Starting to really love these r/mods.
Edit: ahaha, just reading the sheep comments now. "No-no, please, still do your job, which is cleaning after us, we just meant that you should do it in a way that pleases us. Like, see this thread?! This was my low effort shitpost, but you deleted it. Don't do that, but keep deleting the other guys. Peace!"
Ah, a bunch of wankers. Serves them right - if they were actually a smart community, they would flood r/lol with quality content for a whole week, now THAT would be an immense burn to the mods. But, as always, they are just crying.
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It was fairly obvious that this ban wasn't going to stick to all but the most ignorant.
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You must be the guy who bets on 1.00000000001 odds and announce that you were indeed, right again. No one believed RL will be still banned for sure in 2070, but for that, he has to bow, while his content is still being banned for at least a quarter of a year, which is huge, especially compared to some naive sentiment here, which imagined it might be lifted within the week people started crying (again).
I was, however, wrong that it's a lose-lose situation to the mods, and as I said, I adore their solution, where it's actually a win-win, unless Richard outwits them. So exciting!
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For some reason you thought Reddit could go years without RL content. All I said was that it was not going to last long. In my opinion 3 months isn't that long, to you it is. I think you underestimate how much reddit wants RL content to be allowed, but that's just my opinion.
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On May 19 2015 05:24 Volband wrote:
You must be the guy who bets on 1.00000000001 odds and announce that you were indeed, right again. No one believed RL will be still banned for sure in 2070, but for that, he has to bow, while his content is still being banned for at least a quarter of a year, which is huge, especially compared to some naive sentiment here, which imagined it might be lifted within the week people started crying (again).
I was, however, wrong that it's a lose-lose situation to the mods, and as I said, I adore their solution, where it's actually a win-win, unless Richard outwits them. So exciting!
I'm very confused how they have outwitted him. Like I said, they are like cops who decide to allow firebombings because people are complaining about civil rights abuses. Its what petulant children do, which RLewis has basically already called them out on:
Finally, in light of the LoL mods announcing their week long vacation (during which time they will be moderating any way, just not in a visible fashion), I saw people propose to spam their sub with threads supporting me or deriding them. I’d ask you to please not do that. It’s actually what they want, to show that they are indispensable, that they are the adults to your incorrigible children. I have no doubt that some external communities will facilitate that. I wouldn’t put it past some sympathetic communities to do it for them if the experiment doesn’t go the way they hope. If they want a pity party that’s their prerogative. Leave them to it. Either way, don’t let it be this group that get involved in that childishness. There’s been enough of that to last a lifetime.
http://www.reddit.com/r/RiotFreeLoL/comments/36eot2/a_hello_from_richard_lewis/
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I still believe reddit could go for years without RL content, the mods really don't care, the news will surface every time anyway. The mods passed the ball on RLs court, and they can just lay back now. If RL keeps bitching and witch hunting, then fine by them, ban his content for another 3 months. Then another. They can go on forever, people will eventually tire of qqing about it, they already do. It surely is an annoyance for them, the pesky RL supporters, but now they can always point fingers at Richard, that he was given a chance, and will be given again, and again, but until he does not act likea good puppy, their hands are tied. (Which is not ture, but what an awesome PR!)
And look at the trianwreck called r/lol with their newest aberration, the reddit team. They managed to make a not so funny joke into a complete meltdown. Remember when I said these guys would pour gasoline on themselves instead of water if they ever caught fire? I wish I was exaggerating.
Oh, and one of the top comments in the mod thread regarding this whole reddit team? "PSA is not allowed in the titles, but the mods just used it!". Damn these tyrant mods, meanwhile some 14 years old is being essentially robbed.
Trust me, that subreddit could go on without many things, possibly even oxygen.
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On May 19 2015 05:38 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 05:24 Volband wrote:
You must be the guy who bets on 1.00000000001 odds and announce that you were indeed, right again. No one believed RL will be still banned for sure in 2070, but for that, he has to bow, while his content is still being banned for at least a quarter of a year, which is huge, especially compared to some naive sentiment here, which imagined it might be lifted within the week people started crying (again).
I was, however, wrong that it's a lose-lose situation to the mods, and as I said, I adore their solution, where it's actually a win-win, unless Richard outwits them. So exciting! I'm very confused how they have outwitted him. Like I said, they are like cops who decide to allow firebombings because people are complaining about civil rights abuses. Its what petulant children do, which RLewis has basically already called them out on: Show nested quote +Finally, in light of the LoL mods announcing their week long vacation (during which time they will be moderating any way, just not in a visible fashion), I saw people propose to spam their sub with threads supporting me or deriding them. I’d ask you to please not do that. It’s actually what they want, to show that they are indispensable, that they are the adults to your incorrigible children. I have no doubt that some external communities will facilitate that. I wouldn’t put it past some sympathetic communities to do it for them if the experiment doesn’t go the way they hope. If they want a pity party that’s their prerogative. Leave them to it. Either way, don’t let it be this group that get involved in that childishness. There’s been enough of that to last a lifetime. http://www.reddit.com/r/RiotFreeLoL/comments/36eot2/a_hello_from_richard_lewis/
Banning his content made an awful situation for them. On hand, it was necessary, because Richard is growing on their head, but they either a.) never ever reviewed the case, which could bite them in the ass b.) just lift the ban and admit defeat. The way they passed the ball to Richard allows them to have a more understandable explanation if they want to keep his content banned, while lifting it essentially says "all right, Richard became a good puppy, let's see if he can behave with the ban lifted as well". It's pretty solid.
As for the alleged no-mod week, it's good for many reasons. One very obvious is to show the sub what a mess it would become without them. You can compare it to some mass murder, but the difference is that they can do it without major consequences, unlike the police. This community does not understand the value of moderation, these are children. Yes, some of them see through it, already calling them out, but so what, the majority of the people will be fed up with all the trash during that week. Suddenly "omg, they deleted my totally quality post!!!" people will decrease.
And yeah, it could also unleash the dogs of Richard. Richard is a shitty person and his most devoted followers are more or less the same, otherwise they wouldn't have participated in his manhunts so willingly. Allowing them to show their rotten teeth would just create sympathy towards the mods. "Oh, so these are the people being kept away from us... yeah, I don't think we need them."
Is it ethycal? Will they earn a Nobel peace prize? Hardly, but I am all for fighting fire with fire, at least in a case like this. I have empathy, I can't stand when anyone takes advantage on the weaker, it even makes me depressed, but when guys like Richard getting the fist up in their butt gives me a sense of justice. Something, that could not be done in real life, because you obviously don't risk real lifes just to prove your point, but the mods have the luxury of not gambling with real lifes. My sympathy to the people who will suffer as collateral damage, and can't post their painstaking work, because it might not even reach the front page, even though it should, but some kids were asking for a lesson for a very long time on that subreddit, and now they got it.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
In this topic, literally the same people who mocked the moderators and said that upvotes/downvotes should determine the quality of content on the community-driven site, are now mocking the moderators for actually calling them on their bluff and offering to step aside and let upvotes/downvotes determine what is on the front page.
Personally I think this whole thing is unnecessary and kind of stupid. It doesn't really placate anyone, and it won't change the minds of the stubborn and stupid (remember, most of the denizens of RiotFreeLoL are people too stupid to know what an NDA is, so they're hardly bastions of critical thinking waiting with open minds). It's basically stooping to their level.
Right now the subreddit is a moderated firehose with stupid stuff removed, including all of RL's content because his ego is so large he can't help but get Twitter followers to help him win upvote popularity contests. If he has any sense at all, he just won't get involved during mod-free week, when the full firehose is unleashed. So I'm not sure what relevance it has.
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The problem is, some people here wash everything together.
First of all, those who might as well tattoo R. L. on their forehead are really hard to take seriously. It's fine to love his content, or his persona, or the whole package, but the ignorance is just anger-inducing. With Clutz as the comrade-general (just digging up my Red Alert 2 knowledge) of the TL RL army. Now, we could argue whether my approach of just straight out hate that imbecile leech (talking about RL), or clutz's approach of ignoring everything and comparing a 1 week mod less week to some kind of systematic genocide from the real life authorities is better or worse. There is one thing neutral parties should agree upon. The mod team had every right to ban Lewis' content as well, and Lewis has every right to be mad about it. There is no right or wrong here, so all that facade and C-category acting class material posts of some people here (And the r/lol sheeps, but let's have higher standards here, shall we?), which tried to make the mod team look like some evil tyrannts who block free speech and what not is just crazy. BS. If someone can't see further than this without making some good arguments about why that multiple offender, e-stalker, brigader, fake conspiracy theorist, god knows what else guy did not have that coming, then they should just post on r/lol. Some people will call them out on their bs, but the horde will upvote you guys so no worries.
The second thing is, that the mod team is indeed not perfect. Now, some people made real good efforts to wash these together, like "these mods made a mistake, and they banned RL, therefore the banning of RL was a mistake too, FACT!". Yeah, uh, no. The mods are struggling with the 700k subscribers, but before we label them incompetent and what not, let's not fall into that trap we, or at least I, did when we were 14 and registered on our first discussion board. Oooh, these mod guys must earn some serious money, and they must sit here all day long, and they are justice itself, and they should be our role models! ... Then after a dozen more boards and/or games where people have extra power (like game masters), you realize that no one is perfect or not corrupt. Even the smartest, kindest guy with the best intentions uses his power for something else. Maybe it's just a minor thingy, but power abuse is power abuse! Then not to mention people struggled to manage to keep a few hundreds people in line, let alone 700k. The latter is simply impossible; borrow a history book and skim-read it. Nothing new here.
Inconsistent bans, inconsistent moderation, and xy mod is an ass. Damn. These guys sound like... I don't know, your average mod team. Sure, keep improving, let's sort it out, etc. etc, but honestly. Honestly. Really honestly... Who cares? I mean, if I'm paid good money per day to be a wolf and be on their trail I would do the exact same thing. "Omg, double standard, KILL THEM!". Not hard, no one can manage so many people without making a few angry. Look at the new craze, where even Tryndamere posted. Is it a good idea? It is. Will people still bitch the same amount after that? Possibly. But possibly even more. "He was banned for THAT?" - oooh, you already know it's coming. You can be as transparent as humanly possible, won't help if the average IQ of that subreddit is closer to 0 than 100, then add the hounds of RL to the equation and you basically arrive to Hell.
And thirdly, people enjoy this. Something is happening, it's like a revolution, like the ones you read about in the books. When the peasants gathered and achieved big things!
- Mom, get the camera, my witty one-liner about mod-abuse got 1000 karma! Mom, check this out!
- Awww sweetey, who's mamma's hero if not YOU?
- I am indeed! Look, now I'm upvoting these "free Richard Lewis'" posts, helping out my comrades!
- Aww, that's awfully nice of you! Who is this guy and why he needs to be freed?
- I really couldn't bother to read about it in details, but these good folks here said his content is good, and you know mom, every revolution we learned about, had some important political figures being freed. I mean, we gotta free someone, it's just cool.
- Mmmm, okay. And what now?
- Well, mom, you can clearly see we are like 10 million people here, so now we are going to take over and banish these assholes.
- Assholes?!
- Yeah mom, these guys are like... I don't know, they have highs and lows, and personalities, what's the word...
- People?
- Yeah!
- All right, so soon you are in charge! How exciting. Whatcha gonna do little boy?
- Well, we not yet settled this. Charles wants to promote more funny memes, but Troy thinks we should evolve the subreddit into a more serious e-sports portal, but me and Jason already have a plan to blackmail Troy with her sister's stolen nudes, and then we can totally make this subreddit the world's biggest league of legends gif portal!!
- And what about Richard?
- We all agreed we are going to fucking ban him again, because he's dangerous and an ass.
- People might not like what you are about to do, young fella!
- Doesn't matter, we'll close the complaining the threads. Can't you remember? I just showed you my 1000 karma post. These guys obviously like me and thinks I'm a great thinker.
- Yes, you are my great thinker boy! If you finished voting up your friends' comments, would you please learn for your test so at least there'll be one class you won't fail this year?
- I'll try mom, but there are so many dank memes, it'll take a while to upvote them all.
People crave for this. Show them anything they can feel important in, and they will gladly jump in the middle of it.
I'm looking forward to that no mod week. Even with moderation r/lol was on a very good way to make the news with that reddit team catastrophe, I seriously can't wait if they need 2 or 3 days to somehow suffocate in their own drool.
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I like how this is becoming death note in your mind.
I actually admitted earlier that I don't even understand reddit rules vis-à-vis brigading and linking because they are stupid.
Also, I'm not all about RLewis, I'm just generally pro asshole (see my comments on riot's toxicity bs). Actually, that's one of the reasons they seem so connected is because of the childish stance on bullying/toxicity.
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On May 19 2015 10:51 cLutZ wrote:
I like how this is becoming death note in your mind.
I actually admitted earlier that I don't even understand reddit rules vis-à-vis brigading and linking because they are stupid.
Also, I'm not all about RLewis, I'm just generally pro asshole (see my comments on riot's toxicity bs). Actually, that's one of the reasons they seem so connected is because of the childish stance on bullying/toxicity.
I mean. It's pretty hilarious that r/lol took an extra day to get the misfit quas poaching story up in frontpage because people were scared of getting banned, so all we got was this shitty selfpost with almost no information for the frontpage news. Meanwhile there's a perfectly well sourced well written article on the dailydot with all the information regarding the story that's being completely unused in the biggest lol community site, because of automatic content ban.
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Just to clarify: I both think that sometimes assholishness is correlated(possibly causal) with doing good work (Jordan, James Cameron, Varian Wyrnn, every President since Carter), and that it is entertaining in its own right so spaces are better with assholes (particularly if they are good, like Chris Rock).
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
RL was not banned because of his personality but because of a pattern of actions and interactions.
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On May 19 2015 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 10:51 cLutZ wrote:
I like how this is becoming death note in your mind.
I actually admitted earlier that I don't even understand reddit rules vis-à-vis brigading and linking because they are stupid.
Also, I'm not all about RLewis, I'm just generally pro asshole (see my comments on riot's toxicity bs). Actually, that's one of the reasons they seem so connected is because of the childish stance on bullying/toxicity. I mean. It's pretty hilarious that r/lol took an extra day to get the misfit quas poaching story up in frontpage because people were scared of getting banned, so all we got was this shitty selfpost with almost no information for the frontpage news. Meanwhile there's a perfectly well sourced well written article on the dailydot with all the information regarding the story that's being completely unused in the biggest lol community site, because of automatic content ban.
It is indeed shitty that Lewis did everything he could to achieve this mess.
Gotta love your point of view, where if someone with any value (good sportsman, actor, musician) is getting jailed for manslaughter or domestic abuse or whatever, it's the authorities' fault. "Great, now my favorite player sits in prison. Sure, he killed his wife, but fuck the police, why can't they let out for the games at least??"
Though it sounds like a good comedy sketch, where everyone has to "forget" part of a story and talk about it that way.
On May 19 2015 11:21 cLutZ wrote:
Just to clarify: I both think that sometimes assholishness is correlated(possibly causal) with doing good work (Jordan, James Cameron, Varian Wyrnn, every President since Carter), and that it is entertaining in its own right so spaces are better with assholes (particularly if they are good, like Chris Rock).
Thoorin is an asshole with the common sense to not shit in his own bed*. Assholes are fine, I'm an asshole as well, but even I managed to learn that just because I could get away with things due to people finding my assholeness entertaining, that kind of protection does not exist when I switch gears and make a personal vendetta against the authorities of the place.
It's like when mean jokes get out of hand. And it did.
Edit: * well, let's just say at least he tries when it happens
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I voted yes, because I want to see the drama, and a repeat of the f7u12 no-moderation "month".
Assuming r/lol doesn't implode during that week.
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