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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
February 14 2014 22:29 GMT
#23521
On February 14 2014 14:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:23 sung_moon wrote:
I wish you would be streaming this. Would totally watch if I didn't have exams to be studying for.

Watching new ppl play this game is always a treat.

One day I'll get around to doing this. Dark Souls has been sitting unused on my Steam now for half a year.

Wave pls I'd watch the hell out of that
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 14:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
If I wanted sane advice like that I would be reading guides.

Edit: I lied, and there goes all my stuff lol.

I told you man, you shoulda been a bear. But you're not a bear. You're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear.

I'm a MoonBear!

On February 15 2014 02:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 01:47 Doctorbeat wrote:
Titanfall is pretty disappointing so far :/

Smart Pistol is a retarded idea for a PC game. And Titan AI is stupid. I don't like playing in a Titan, it's slow, cumbersome and just not as fun as jetpacking around killing things. I just think both Titans and pilots are too squishy. As a pilot you get oneshot by any of the Titan attacks, as a Titan you get blown up very easily. Plus the vector shield thing you can use to reflect projectiles doesn't work half the time.

I don't see this game making it competitively, at least not the way it is right now.

I don't think it'll ever be competitive.
I mentioned earlier that the game is simply too fast paced. It's one thing to have mobility, it's another to allow people to travel across the map in like 5 seconds. It makes it hard to put any real strong strategic strength in any area.

In an organised game, it seems that you have a very fluid battlefield. The rapid concentration of strength means that in theory the game strongly rewarding organised play, both rapidly converging on a point and also rapid ambushes. The problem is likely that the aggressive side will have a very strong first-mover advantage, and teams will likely not be organised enough to properly respond to threats (like how teams in LoL before just died to Shen splitpush because no one had any coordination).

On February 15 2014 06:18 Cixah wrote:
Hey Yo Red Hammer People,

When we getting SKT store stuff. You keep teasing me, but my will to keep waiting wanes. New clothes must be bought soooooon.

Soon ™
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 14 2014 22:31 GMT
#23522
he wasn't talking to you MoonBear - you're not a people
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 14 2014 22:36 GMT
#23523
On February 15 2014 07:29 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 14:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:23 sung_moon wrote:
I wish you would be streaming this. Would totally watch if I didn't have exams to be studying for.

Watching new ppl play this game is always a treat.

One day I'll get around to doing this. Dark Souls has been sitting unused on my Steam now for half a year.

Wave pls I'd watch the hell out of that
On February 14 2014 14:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
If I wanted sane advice like that I would be reading guides.

Edit: I lied, and there goes all my stuff lol.

I told you man, you shoulda been a bear. But you're not a bear. You're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear.

I'm a MoonBear!

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 02:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 15 2014 01:47 Doctorbeat wrote:
Titanfall is pretty disappointing so far :/

Smart Pistol is a retarded idea for a PC game. And Titan AI is stupid. I don't like playing in a Titan, it's slow, cumbersome and just not as fun as jetpacking around killing things. I just think both Titans and pilots are too squishy. As a pilot you get oneshot by any of the Titan attacks, as a Titan you get blown up very easily. Plus the vector shield thing you can use to reflect projectiles doesn't work half the time.

I don't see this game making it competitively, at least not the way it is right now.

I don't think it'll ever be competitive.
I mentioned earlier that the game is simply too fast paced. It's one thing to have mobility, it's another to allow people to travel across the map in like 5 seconds. It makes it hard to put any real strong strategic strength in any area.

In an organised game, it seems that you have a very fluid battlefield. The rapid concentration of strength means that in theory the game strongly rewarding organised play, both rapidly converging on a point and also rapid ambushes. The problem is likely that the aggressive side will have a very strong first-mover advantage, and teams will likely not be organised enough to properly respond to threats (like how teams in LoL before just died to Shen splitpush because no one had any coordination).

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 06:18 Cixah wrote:
Hey Yo Red Hammer People,

When we getting SKT store stuff. You keep teasing me, but my will to keep waiting wanes. New clothes must be bought soooooon.

Soon ™

IMO, if the game doesn't allow defensive play, it can't be competitive. Also I think the game does a poor job of distinguishing fast movement from smooth movement. They could have just as easily slowed down movespeed, while keeping the fluidity of movement.

Also, it sort of bugs me how agile Titan's are, they don't feel mech like at all, they just feel like large player with bigger guns,
liftlift > tsm
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
February 14 2014 22:40 GMT
#23524
On February 15 2014 07:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 07:29 MoonBear wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 14 2014 14:23 sung_moon wrote:
I wish you would be streaming this. Would totally watch if I didn't have exams to be studying for.

Watching new ppl play this game is always a treat.

One day I'll get around to doing this. Dark Souls has been sitting unused on my Steam now for half a year.

Wave pls I'd watch the hell out of that
On February 14 2014 14:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
If I wanted sane advice like that I would be reading guides.

Edit: I lied, and there goes all my stuff lol.

I told you man, you shoulda been a bear. But you're not a bear. You're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear you're not a bear.

I'm a MoonBear!

On February 15 2014 02:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 15 2014 01:47 Doctorbeat wrote:
Titanfall is pretty disappointing so far :/

Smart Pistol is a retarded idea for a PC game. And Titan AI is stupid. I don't like playing in a Titan, it's slow, cumbersome and just not as fun as jetpacking around killing things. I just think both Titans and pilots are too squishy. As a pilot you get oneshot by any of the Titan attacks, as a Titan you get blown up very easily. Plus the vector shield thing you can use to reflect projectiles doesn't work half the time.

I don't see this game making it competitively, at least not the way it is right now.

I don't think it'll ever be competitive.
I mentioned earlier that the game is simply too fast paced. It's one thing to have mobility, it's another to allow people to travel across the map in like 5 seconds. It makes it hard to put any real strong strategic strength in any area.

In an organised game, it seems that you have a very fluid battlefield. The rapid concentration of strength means that in theory the game strongly rewarding organised play, both rapidly converging on a point and also rapid ambushes. The problem is likely that the aggressive side will have a very strong first-mover advantage, and teams will likely not be organised enough to properly respond to threats (like how teams in LoL before just died to Shen splitpush because no one had any coordination).

On February 15 2014 06:18 Cixah wrote:
Hey Yo Red Hammer People,

When we getting SKT store stuff. You keep teasing me, but my will to keep waiting wanes. New clothes must be bought soooooon.

Soon ™

IMO, if the game doesn't allow defensive play, it can't be competitive. Also I think the game does a poor job of distinguishing fast movement from smooth movement. They could have just as easily slowed down movespeed, while keeping the fluidity of movement.

Also, it sort of bugs me how agile Titan's are, they don't feel mech like at all, they just feel like large player with bigger guns,

The developer's intention was that the game revolves primarily around Titans, not the Pilots on foot. So it actively rewards you for using Titans and allows you to quickly reacquire them (which can be made even faster).

I don't know much about fps so I don't think I'm qualified to comment any further about whether any of this is good or bad.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 14 2014 22:42 GMT
#23525
On February 15 2014 07:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
he wasn't talking to you MoonBear - you're not a people

You're right, he's a wish-granting horse.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 22:45:23
February 14 2014 22:45 GMT
#23526
I don't know why people are talking about a game from ex-CoD developers being competitive.

They're not stupid, they know what their history entails as far as a target audience and "hardcore competitive play" doesn't fit that target audience.
Moderator
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 14 2014 22:49 GMT
#23527
On February 15 2014 07:45 TheYango wrote:
I don't know why people are talking about a game from ex-CoD developers being competitive.

They're not stupid, they know what their history entails as far as a target audience and "hardcore competitive play" doesn't fit that target audience.

it's not so much being competitive, but it a well designed game should allow for defensive positioning.

Now I sorta want to make a Urban version of Dota/LoL map, except it's a FPS with creep spawn, and stuff.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 22:53:10
February 14 2014 22:52 GMT
#23528
Well no, the original discussion that MB is piggybacking off of very much was discussing whether the game would be competitive. Which is not a word I would ever use to discuss what is essentially an Infinity Ward game.
Moderator
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
February 14 2014 23:51 GMT
#23529
7 minions on the board, and the enemy Ragnaros targets my hero for the kill.

Boooo RNG.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 14 2014 23:57 GMT
#23530
Movement is a really subjective subject in FPS community. Basically you have your people who like the 'slow' movement style of CS, maybe with a short sprint like CoD, and then you have people who like Quake 3 style movement, and then you have people who like old ass Quake/CPMA movement, and all the shit in between every level.

I can't comment about specifics to Titanfall because I haven't played or watched it yet only heard comments. Map size/layout plays an immense role in how movement meshes with the game and how good it feels. I've heard that the Titansfall maps are pretty large and have a lot of vertical space, so it sounds like fast movement very much fits the game. How 'tough' a player is should also be a consideration with movement as well. Super fast/mobile players that kill eachother very quickly has its niche(Instagib servers had decent popularity in UT and Quake) but it's not typically a friendly game mode that will attract a giant audience, and it wouldn't lend itself well to a competitive environment either.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 15 2014 00:11 GMT
#23531
The difference is with Quake, you can zone really effectively in choke points, but the speed + mobility in Titan fall seems overwhelming, making it impossible to zone, also the AI are super easy to kill, and almost seem to make minimal impact, so they don't really give any defensive positioning as well.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 15 2014 00:29 GMT
#23532
got halfway through Drinking Buddies - jeez so bad

as much as I love Olivia Wilde and Anna Kendrick...it could not salvage that movie
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 15 2014 00:32 GMT
#23533
On February 15 2014 09:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
got halfway through Drinking Buddies - jeez so bad

as much as I love Olivia Wilde and Anna Kendrick...it could not salvage that movie

I liked it. it was cute.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 15 2014 00:44 GMT
#23534
On February 15 2014 09:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 09:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
got halfway through Drinking Buddies - jeez so bad

as much as I love Olivia Wilde and Anna Kendrick...it could not salvage that movie

I liked it. it was cute.


I finished it, but my thoughts are basically the same as Soniv's. In fact, the ending was a giant bag of wut? I almost wish I had just stopped watching it after I got my fill of Anna Kendrick being ridiculously cute.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 15 2014 02:08 GMT
#23535
God I just raged over Yggdra Union really hard. I was on the Pantina level where I had to defeat the emperor...

After defeating so many minibosses and minions and finally got the emperor to less than 1k morale, he somehow caught my Yggdra and killed her with the I-win-automatically card... now I need to play this again from the beginning...

Close to 1 hour wasted on this one level. I quit
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
February 15 2014 03:35 GMT
#23536
Req I'm here where are you

Just kidding I sincerely hope the universe has conspired to give you a great evening. Even if I'm not there to crash it.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 06:18:18
February 15 2014 04:44 GMT
#23537
Just had the most fucking intense CS:GO match.
Was on Vertigo, started as CT.
Terribad teammates (go figure right? LoL's wood level bad).
Go 8 : 7, even though map is fucking CT biased as fuck, cuz dumbass teammates keep rushing chokepoints, rather than defend them (which is super ez to do on this map, SUPER CT biased as fuck map).
Okay, go to T, decide to fucking MAN up, tell teammates to all Rush certain points.
K so on T side, we go 7 : 7 somehow, last round. I rush B side, NO CT at all, rest of my team dies at A. I fucking PRO 90 gun down all 5 CT's, to tie up the fucking game. at 15 a piece.

FUCKING INTENSE.


http://www.twitch.tv/wei2coolforu/c/3724635

K used the demo feature of cs:go, and twitch.tv to record, check it out.
liftlift > tsm
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
February 15 2014 06:19 GMT
#23538
http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon

No idea if it's been mentioned yet but.... pokemon via twitch chat.

Rather hilarious, 13k people trying to control a single character.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 15 2014 06:27 GMT
#23539
On February 15 2014 15:19 Lmui wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon

No idea if it's been mentioned yet but.... pokemon via twitch chat.

Rather hilarious, 13k people trying to control a single character.


unbelievably, they managed to just trade a spearow for a farfetch'd with an in-game trainer
twitch chat is legendary
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
February 15 2014 06:30 GMT
#23540
Found the TL thread for this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443526

Absolutely amazing what 13k people can do. They've managed to beat 2x gym leaders already which blows my mind.
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