EPT[GSL 2023] Code S:Season 2 - Group A - Page 4
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tigera6
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Elentos
55561 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:17 Poopi wrote: TY is looking good, but that's not entirely surprising, he has been back for quite a few months now. Poor Classic and especially Bunny though TY played very few tournaments so I think there was some question about how hard he was grinding, but clearly TY has been practicing. Let's hope herO/Dark can show up this season, or else we'll have even more Gom TvT | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:16 Charoisaur wrote: That honestly looked like a 2020 TY game. It pretty much was, except not as clean I guess. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:17 Poopi wrote: TY is looking good, but that's not entirely surprising, he has been back for quite a few months now. Poor Classic and especially Bunny though I mean Stats and Inno are back just as long and didn't even manage to qualify and others like soO and (until recently) Classic never really came back to form | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:20 Charoisaur wrote: I mean Stats and Inno are back just as long and didn't even manage to qualify and others like soO and (until recently) Classic never really came back to form Inno didn't try this season. He's barely playing. Pretty sure he tried season 1 qualifiers on a whim. | ||
Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:21 Elentos wrote: Inno didn't try this season. He's barely playing. Pretty sure he tried season 1 qualifiers on a whim. damn, that's a shame | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:23 Waxangel wrote: TY being 5800 MMR but his GSL buff getting him to the RO8 is wild. Although, I think he was 'only' like 6500 when he won the double GSL's back in 2020? i would assume a lot of his practice is done off ladder | ||
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:23 Schelim wrote: i would assume a lot of his practice is done off ladder no he said it in a 'I suck' kind of way | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:23 Waxangel wrote: TY being 5800 MMR but his GSL buff getting him to the RO8 is wild. Although, I think he was 'only' like 6500 when he won the double GSL's back in 2020? On his main account yeah, but higher on his barcodes back then. The only time he cracked the "magic" 7000 even on barcode was around the time he won WESG. But he was 6340 the day before the qualifiers. He tanked a lot of MMR in those 2 weeks. Makes sense tbh, Korean ladder is dead as hell. The few times TY streamed this year, most of his games were against people below 5800. You lose one of those games you have to win 4 to get it back. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:26 Elentos wrote: On his main account yeah, but higher on his barcodes back then. The only time he cracked the "magic" 7000 even on barcode was around the time he won WESG. But he was 6340 the day before the qualifiers. He tanked a lot of MMR in those 2 weeks. Makes sense tbh, Korean ladder is dead as hell. The few times TY streamed this year, most of his games were against people below 5800. You lose one of those games you have to win 4 to get it back. pfft a progamer would never lie or misconstrue the truth  | ||
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tigera6
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:29 Waxangel wrote: pfft a progamer would never lie or misconstrue the truth Definitely he's just the most skilled 5800 MMR player in history. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
I LOVED how both players actually knew how to play around each other's Warp and Recalls. There were times games would get to these kinds of compositions, but 1 player would just lose due to not knowing what to do. (Letting BCs jump on your army and not having Recall ready, not taking advantage of when Warp is down, burning all your Warps at once, etc. Basic shit that you would think pros would have figured out before the game or even during it.) Here they actually seemed to have plans and tactics on what to do. Was really awesome to see a 30 min TvP mech game with these late game air armies, and for there to be constant action throughout!! And instead of just deathballing, they were splitting up and trying to slowly checkmate the other. That's the kind of methodical game I love to see!! And without being slow paced. So happy that TY won, it was really close and entertaining throughout, would love to see more mech in the future!! On July 04 2023 22:02 tigera6 wrote: Literally what kill most of BCs were Stalkers, and Classic still try to max out on Carriers/Tempest. Thing is, the map doesn't have a lot of open space for Stalkers to run circles around BCs like sOs did vs TY in TY's last GSL game before the military. With just 3-4 tanks in 1 area, mass Stalker loses its potency vs mass BCs and then you're stuck with a ton of Stalkers that melt and have no way to trade them off efficiently if terran goes up to 7-8 tanks. And it was very easy to cover both sides of the map with just a couple WMs due to the narrow routes. There are a couple tactics that would really help Protoss in these kinds of army comps, and I would be curious to see someone finally do them: 1) Stack up your Tempest/Carriers/Voids, so that the BC player can't easily click 2 Yamato per Protoss ship. If it's stacked up very well, it's likely that many Yamatos will be wasted on the same unit. 2) Pre-spread your Tempests/Carriers more, so that even if they try to Warp ontop to force a fight or to try to cut off your retreat path, they end up being surrounded and it's also harder to spam Yamato quickly if the units are all spread out. With Tempest range, not all BCs would be in range to Yamato immediately either. Getting your Yamato's off 1-2 seconds sooner makes a huge difference in a max'd out air fight and can make the difference between winning or losing the fight with 10 BCs leftover or 10 Tempest/Carriers left over. Also, considering how narrow the routes on this map were, you could easily have 1 outpost on each side and spam Batteries/Canons there. Classic had a huge 5-9k bank and I'm surprised he didn't build 10 Batteries to give his Tempest/Carriers a lot more sustain. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2023 22:30 Elentos wrote: Definitely he's just the most skilled 5800 MMR player in history. 6k and 7k players are overrated. At lower MMR you have a ton of no-skill newb that do stupid low-winrate strategies and keep legit players MMR low. Once you hit 6k, you face real players so you naturaly scale more easilly. It's like me, I'm diamond 2 but comparing my winning replay to pro games, I reckon I would win one or two maps in a bo7 against someone like Classic or Elazer (they have more APM because they have more time to practice but I could balance it out with my superior game knowledge since I watched a bunch of Harstem video). Winning the bo7 would be hard though since they force you to pay on imba maps I veto on the ladder. But more seriously, can't believe TY got out, he's much better than I thought. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On July 05 2023 01:27 Nakajin wrote: 6k and 7k players are overrated. At lower MMR you have a ton of no-skill newb that do stupid low-winrate strategies and keep legit players MMR low. Once you hit 6k, you face real players so you naturaly scale more easilly. It's like me, I'm diamond 2 but comparing my winning replay to pro games, I reckon I would win one or two maps in a bo7 against someone like Classic or Elazer (they have more APM because they have more time to practice but I could balance it out with my superior game knowledge since I watched a bunch of Harstem video). Winning the bo7 would be hard though since they force you to pay on imba maps I veto on the ladder. But more seriously, can't believe TY got out, he's much better than I thought. You get your game knowledge from Harstem videos? Then it can't be very high since Harstem is just another one of those tryhards with lots of time to practice but lacking game knowledge. I get my game knowledge from theory-crafting, so it's naturally much superior to the one of Harstem and other pro gamers. I think I could challenge Maru and Serral, but I don't really get the chance to face them, because in the low rounds of tournaments you have to overcome so many stupid low-winrate strategies first | ||
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ZeroByte13
780 Posts
And soooo many times pro players of super-high level make mistakes and misreads, while I understand the game perfectly and would never make those mistakes - as every time I watch a game, I can easily see both players builds / tech / supply / movement. How can you move your army to that area, don't you know your opponent is approaching from this side? Why did you start a new CC, don't you know baneling bust is coming? I would never make these mistakes. | ||
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