[GSL 2023] Code S:Season 2 - Group A

On July 04 2023 05:33 JJH777 wrote:
Is GSL really not going to give us any info about where our donations went for season 1? Season 2 is 12 hours away. That is seriously shady. They need to release a breakdown of where the extra prize money went by placement.

On July 04 2023 18:48 Charoisaur wrote:
Going Banshees over Vikings ain't it

On July 04 2023 18:52 Charoisaur wrote:

or is it?

On July 04 2023 19:21 tigera6 wrote:
Classic pulled his sOs card.

On July 04 2023 19:12 Elentos wrote:
Well, at least Maru had to work for it.

Don't really expect TY to win any games today.

On July 04 2023 21:18 Charoisaur wrote:

Well, well

On July 04 2023 21:34 Elentos wrote:
MECH

On July 04 2023 22:02 tigera6 wrote:
Literally what kill most of BCs were Stalkers, and Classic still try to max out on Carriers/Tempest.

On July 04 2023 22:06 Charoisaur wrote:

Yeah sOs beat this style by just massing stalkers in (I think) TY's last tournament before military

On July 04 2023 22:16 Charoisaur wrote:
That honestly looked like a 2020 TY game.

On July 04 2023 22:17 Poopi wrote:
TY is looking good, but that's not entirely surprising, he has been back for quite a few months now. Poor Classic and especially Bunny though

On July 04 2023 22:20 Charoisaur wrote:

I mean Stats and Inno are back just as long and didn't even manage to qualify and others like soO and (until recently) Classic never really came back to form

On July 04 2023 22:21 Elentos wrote:

Inno didn't try this season. He's barely playing. Pretty sure he tried season 1 qualifiers on a whim.

On July 04 2023 22:23 Schelim wrote:

i would assume a lot of his practice is done off ladder

On July 04 2023 22:23 Waxangel wrote:
TY being 5800 MMR but his GSL buff getting him to the RO8 is wild. Although, I think he was 'only' like 6500 when he won the double GSL's back in 2020?

On July 04 2023 22:26 Elentos wrote:

On his main account yeah, but higher on his barcodes back then. The only time he cracked the "magic" 7000 even on barcode was around the time he won WESG.

But he was 6340 the day before the qualifiers. He tanked a lot of MMR in those 2 weeks. Makes sense tbh, Korean ladder is dead as hell. The few times TY streamed this year, most of his games were against people below 5800. You lose one of those games you have to win 4 to get it back.

On July 04 2023 22:29 Waxangel wrote:


pfft a progamer would never lie or misconstrue the truth

On July 05 2023 01:27 Nakajin wrote:


6k and 7k players are overrated. At lower MMR you have a ton of no-skill newb that do stupid low-winrate strategies and keep legit players MMR low. Once you hit 6k, you face real players so you naturaly scale more easilly.

It's like me, I'm diamond 2 but comparing my winning replay to pro games, I reckon I would win one or two maps in a bo7 against someone like Classic or Elazer (they have more APM because they have more time to practice but I could balance it out with my superior game knowledge since I watched a bunch of Harstem video). Winning the bo7 would be hard though since they force you to pay on imba maps I veto on the ladder.

But more seriously, can't believe TY got out, he's much better than I thought.

On July 04 2023 22:45 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


Thing is, the map doesn't have a lot of open space for Stalkers to run circles around BCs like sOs did vs TY in TY's last GSL game before the military. With just 3-4 tanks in 1 area, mass Stalker loses its potency vs mass BCs and then you're stuck with a ton of Stalkers that melt and have no way to trade them off efficiently if terran goes up to 7-8 tanks. And it was very easy to cover both sides of the map with just a couple WMs due to the narrow routes.

There are a couple tactics that would really help Protoss in these kinds of army comps, and I would be curious to see someone finally do them:
1) Stack up your Tempest/Carriers/Voids, so that the BC player can't easily click 2 Yamato per Protoss ship. If it's stacked up very well, it's likely that many Yamatos will be wasted on the same unit.
2) Pre-spread your Tempests/Carriers more, so that even if they try to Warp ontop to force a fight or to try to cut off your retreat path, they end up being surrounded and it's also harder to spam Yamato quickly if the units are all spread out. With Tempest range, not all BCs would be in range to Yamato immediately either. Getting your Yamato's off 1-2 seconds sooner makes a huge difference in a max'd out air fight and can make the difference between winning or losing the fight with 10 BCs leftover or 10 Tempest/Carriers left over.

Also, considering how narrow the routes on this map were, you could easily have 1 outpost on each side and spam Batteries/Canons there. Classic had a huge 5-9k bank and I'm surprised he didn't build 10 Batteries to give his Tempest/Carriers a lot more sustain.

On July 05 2023 10:26 yubo56 wrote:

To add to what you say, TY went up to some crazy tank count and vikings before finally starting the BC switch, so I think that he was anticipating the Parting (?) style with 80 workers, 5 base, just 3-4 gas mass stalker charge. But then Classic dropped a beacon, and TY dropped like 2-3 scans just to confirm continued carrier production, and still went up to a huge viking core before starting BCs. So the BCs were really a very late tech switch, and probably not that easy to exploit. And even if Classic switches fully back into Stalkers, all TY has to do is to slow the game down way more, add a bunch more tank mine turret, keep scanning the stargates to track another stargate switch, and he should eventually out trade the ground (including BC runbys). I think TY only started to take damage to the zealot stalker because he saw continued stargate production, so he knew that he could still trade efficiently even without resuming tank production (which was true; he was getting ahead on resources lost during that phase of the game)

I remember the sOs game starting with a banshee opening that did a lot of damage, so TY skipped (I think?) the tank core, which is why sOs pulled off the blink play, and why people are left with the impression that "stalkers kill TY's BC play." I suspect TY really shopped his build this game a bit more than we think.

I do think the cannon battery stuff could be more reliable, but I'm not sure if it actually works? Curious what any pros who have tried it think. In theory, I can see it either working well (cannons dissuade TP, batteries give tempests more time to chip), but also maybe it just dies to tanks plus scan (you can reallocate tanks if you see the P not building a lot of gateway units) as well as the burst from yamato, so I'm not sure what it looks like at the highest levels. TY's won quite a few BC vs tempest games historically, so maybe he would know what to do against this as well.