On June 17 2022 20:23 tigera6 wrote: lol, the man just dust us fans 3 times in a roll, thats some level of troling. Yeah, I guess he wasnt sold in experience and beer fest thing in Europe. Btw, the HSC are going to be smashed in the middle of GSL S2? You run from Jul 19 to 25, the Ro4 GSL is on Jul 21?
KR qualifier list still looks pretty solid to me surprisingly despite no Dark/Rogue/Maru/Trap/Cure/Zest. In any type of team match I would definitely bet on them over the 12 EU players that came through the qualifiers.
I lurk here from time to time and find what I see here baffling enough to comment. As organizer of a sports event, TakeTV should not be making unsportsman-like remarks (veiled or direct) towards players. It's bad form. In this case, Scarlett was targeted multiple times and to a lesser extent players outside of the EU region. Even if he thinks his assessment is correct (which some here disputed), it's still comes off as unprofessional.
I am not familiar enough with this community to know if things are always like this, but I suggest treating stepping into other people's shoes when making your comments
i don't feel super confident saying Scarlett is CLEARLY better than those guys, for example.
Serral - Scarlett is worse Lambo - Scarlett is worse Reynor - Scarlett is worse Showtime - Scarlett is worse Elazer - Scarlett is worse Clem - Scarlett is worse Harstem - on current meta PvZ I believe Harstem is better Heromarine - Scarlett is worse Maxpax - Scarlett is worse Rattata - Scarlett is even, potentially better depending on her form Spirit - Scarlett is worse but I think Spirit is shaky in performance sometimes Skillous - SKillous current form is also better than Scarlett ZvP
Other regions have some decent talent , especially TW/HK but no one that would be straight better than EU.
Please be aware I could have easily cut more slots and added more EU and still chose not to.
I lurk here from time to time and find what I see here baffling enough to comment. As organizer of a sports event, TakeTV should not be making unsportsman-like remarks (veiled or direct) towards players. It's bad form. In this case, Scarlett was targeted multiple times and to a lesser extent players outside of the EU region. Even if he thinks his assessment is correct (which some here disputed), it's still comes off as unprofessional.
I am not familiar enough with this community to know if things are always like this, but I suggest treating stepping into other people's shoes when making your comments
Serral - Scarlett is worse Lambo - Scarlett is worse Reynor - Scarlett is worse Showtime - Scarlett is worse Elazer - Scarlett is worse Clem - Scarlett is worse Harstem - on current meta PvZ I believe Harstem is better Heromarine - Scarlett is worse Maxpax - Scarlett is worse Rattata - Scarlett is even, potentially better depending on her form Spirit - Scarlett is worse but I think Spirit is shaky in performance sometimes Skillous - SKillous current form is also better than Scarlett ZvP
Please be aware I could have easily cut more slots and added more EU and still chose not to.
While I disagree with Narutos assessment of Scarlett and think EU is overhyped and preferred too much, your post is unnecessary. Its their event, its an EU event, and last time I checked we are living in a free democratic world with freedom of choice and speech. Nothing wrong with Take/Naruto stating their opinions and imposing their own rules to the event they are organizing. So you may not like it, but you are in no position to suggest or demand anything from them, or this community for that matter.
I lurk here from time to time and find what I see here baffling enough to comment. As organizer of a sports event, TakeTV should not be making unsportsman-like remarks (veiled or direct) towards players. It's bad form. In this case, Scarlett was targeted multiple times and to a lesser extent players outside of the EU region. Even if he thinks his assessment is correct (which some here disputed), it's still comes off as unprofessional.
I am not familiar enough with this community to know if things are always like this, but I suggest treating stepping into other people's shoes when making your comments
Serral - Scarlett is worse Lambo - Scarlett is worse Reynor - Scarlett is worse Showtime - Scarlett is worse Elazer - Scarlett is worse Clem - Scarlett is worse Harstem - on current meta PvZ I believe Harstem is better Heromarine - Scarlett is worse Maxpax - Scarlett is worse Rattata - Scarlett is even, potentially better depending on her form Spirit - Scarlett is worse but I think Spirit is shaky in performance sometimes Skillous - SKillous current form is also better than Scarlett ZvP
Please be aware I could have easily cut more slots and added more EU and still chose not to.
If you Don t like the event, you Don t have to watch it Even better, you can create your own event and make the rule, you think are the best/ fairest/ most entertaining. You Don t have to like absolutly every event. That s totally fine. But bashing an organiser, Who puts lots of time and money into the scene just feels wrong
I for example Don t realy like the direction NW is going with the format (and with NFTs) So I m just not watching it and hope, they come up with a different Version next time. Still contributed to their Crowdfunding thing though, because it has been amazing the last time pre corona
I lurk here from time to time and find what I see here baffling enough to comment. As organizer of a sports event, TakeTV should not be making unsportsman-like remarks (veiled or direct) towards players. It's bad form. In this case, Scarlett was targeted multiple times and to a lesser extent players outside of the EU region. Even if he thinks his assessment is correct (which some here disputed), it's still comes off as unprofessional.
I am not familiar enough with this community to know if things are always like this, but I suggest treating stepping into other people's shoes when making your comments
Serral - Scarlett is worse Lambo - Scarlett is worse Reynor - Scarlett is worse Showtime - Scarlett is worse Elazer - Scarlett is worse Clem - Scarlett is worse Harstem - on current meta PvZ I believe Harstem is better Heromarine - Scarlett is worse Maxpax - Scarlett is worse Rattata - Scarlett is even, potentially better depending on her form Spirit - Scarlett is worse but I think Spirit is shaky in performance sometimes Skillous - SKillous current form is also better than Scarlett ZvP
Please be aware I could have easily cut more slots and added more EU and still chose not to.
Hello, I usually post as TaKeTV since I use it to attach myself to events with this working account. I usually end with " - NarutO" since it represents my personal opinion. I am a professional caster just as long as Scarlett is a professional player. I have huge respects for her and for her achievements but I don't think being a professional in this working space should leave me without the right to personally adress things people bring up.
I could choose to simply leave all the comments be and not adress them or express my opinion. Be it 2 - slot North America or other topics. If you want any reference check NBA half-time shows and other professional sports. I have not targeted Scarlett - I answered to a post that said Scarlett was in fact way above the level of even most top 10 in Europe. I am a member of this community as well and besides the fact I could have use NarutO over TaKeTV (sometimes I just miss it) I don't think there is anythong wrong with having an opinion - a professional one as well.
Scarlett is a player that has an incredible range. She can more or less beat anyone on her good days but she is also very capable of having losses that she shouldn't have looking at her level. This was an discussion if NA deserves more spots in this competition comparing to other regions in general but mainly Europe.
Since you are new I can tell you that we are 'new' to the ESL Pro Tour circuit which kind of requires us to have more qualification slots - in every region. Beforehand this tournament was invite only (with very little exception) . For example I personally wouldn't invite a player from the OCE/ROA region (and never have). This isn't unprofessional but a result of their player base being weaker than the competition.
In the past I have invited (iirc) Neeb and Scarlett most of the time and often the offer was turned down. With Astrea being a bit "newer" to the absolute top level I still believe that 2 spots in NA is a pretty fair estimate. Running tournamants - especially in a new environment like EPT (for us) always is a learning process as well.
With the travel restriction and a lot of retirements in Korea I would be a lot more interested in giving NA another slot and take this slot from Korea. I don't see taking the spots away from Europe. If you want to look at the NA qualifier , Scarlett lost to Nina. I think Nina is a very good player but this thread made very clear that "Scarlett is an absolute guaranteed qualified player". She would not have made it even if I put up 3 spots.
I also want to mention that ( in case you think this is something personal towards Scarlett) I contacted TLO to remind her of the qualifier in case she didn't see it or might forget it since she lives in Korea (and has a very different time zone). I reminded A LOT of NA players via twitter or via twitch and asked them if they wanted to participate.
I do not hold a grudge against any player and I welcome anyone who can qualify and bring a good level to HSC but I don't think you would call Shaquille O'neal or Kenny Smith unprofessional if they mentioned that the Miami Heat didn't bring the righ spirit to several playoff games or an individual player had a bad performance.
Last but not least I will say: If I didn't run 30 qualification spots but rather had an invite all tournament the players would look drastically different and I would have loved to invite Neeb, Scarlett, Astrea and potentially either DisK (can't play) or trigger. With qualifiers I rather stick to a very top - heavy composition.
In any case I appreciate your feedback and will be more careful about writing with this account or end with (like I will do now)
- NarutO
Edit: Just to clear up I obviously don't want to say I am Shaq or Kenny , but those came to mind that are often critical in half time shows as professionals ^^ I do have to cast the TW/HK qualifier now but if people care I can create a list of players I would have invited to give a comparison to the qualified lineup
Top of my head: (no particular order, just so I now when i reach 32)
1. Serral 2. Reynor 3. Clem 4. Lambo 5. HeroMarine 6. ShoWTimE 7. Harstem 8. SKillous 9. Spirit 10. Neeb 11. Astrea 12. Scarlett 13. SpeCial 14. Kelazhur 15. TIME 16. Maru 17. GuMiHo 18. Creator 19. Solar 20. Dream 21. soO 22. Bunny 23. ByuN 24. herO 25. DRG 26. Zoun 27. Classic 28 .Elazer 29. DnS 30. PtitDrogo 31. MaNa 32. Rattata (I actually feel Gerald might be better rn but I sometimes have to consider race too)
9 Z 11 T 12 P
Then there are still players left you can argue about.
Trigger, DisK, Nina, Gerald, GungFuBanda, Krystianer, goblin, Bly, Milkicow, Strange, Future... But those are all very tough calls and you can never satisfy everyone. Its a learning process and I don't think my statements are unsportsmanship at all.
I lurk here from time to time and find what I see here baffling enough to comment. As organizer of a sports event, TakeTV should not be making unsportsman-like remarks (veiled or direct) towards players. It's bad form. In this case, Scarlett was targeted multiple times and to a lesser extent players outside of the EU region. Even if he thinks his assessment is correct (which some here disputed), it's still comes off as unprofessional.
I am not familiar enough with this community to know if things are always like this, but I suggest treating stepping into other people's shoes when making your comments
i don't feel super confident saying Scarlett is CLEARLY better than those guys, for example.
Serral - Scarlett is worse Lambo - Scarlett is worse Reynor - Scarlett is worse Showtime - Scarlett is worse Elazer - Scarlett is worse Clem - Scarlett is worse Harstem - on current meta PvZ I believe Harstem is better Heromarine - Scarlett is worse Maxpax - Scarlett is worse Rattata - Scarlett is even, potentially better depending on her form Spirit - Scarlett is worse but I think Spirit is shaky in performance sometimes Skillous - SKillous current form is also better than Scarlett ZvP
Other regions have some decent talent , especially TW/HK but no one that would be straight better than EU.
Please be aware I could have easily cut more slots and added more EU and still chose not to.
Hello, I usually post as TaKeTV since I use it to attach myself to events with this working account. I usually end with " - NarutO" since it represents my personal opinion. I am a professional caster just as long as Scarlett is a professional player. I have huge respects for her and for her achievements but I don't think being a professional in this working space should leave me without the right to personally adress things people bring up.
I could choose to simply leave all the comments be and not adress them or express my opinion. Be it 2 - slot North America or other topics. If you want any reference check NBA half-time shows and other professional sports. I have not targeted Scarlett - I answered to a post that said Scarlett was in fact way above the level of even most top 10 in Europe. I am a member of this community as well and besides the fact I could have use NarutO over TaKeTV (sometimes I just miss it) I don't think there is anythong wrong with having an opinion - a professional one as well.
Scarlett is a player that has an incredible range. She can more or less beat anyone on her good days but she is also very capable of having losses that she shouldn't have looking at her level. This was an discussion if NA deserves more spots in this competition comparing to other regions in general but mainly Europe.
Since you are new I can tell you that we are 'new' to the ESL Pro Tour circuit which kind of requires us to have more qualification slots - in every region. Beforehand this tournament was invite only (with very little exception) . For example I personally wouldn't invite a player from the OCE/ROA region (and never have). This isn't unprofessional but a result of their player base being weaker than the competition.
In the past I have invited (iirc) Neeb and Scarlett most of the time and often the offer was turned down. With Astrea being a bit "newer" to the absolute top level I still believe that 2 spots in NA is a pretty fair estimate. Running tournamants - especially in a new environment like EPT (for us) always is a learning process as well.
With the travel restriction and a lot of retirements in Korea I would be a lot more interested in giving NA another slot and take this slot from Korea. I don't see taking the spots away from Europe. If you want to look at the NA qualifier , Scarlett lost to Nina. I think Nina is a very good player but this thread made very clear that "Scarlett is an absolute guaranteed qualified player". She would not have made it even if I put up 3 spots.
I also want to mention that ( in case you think this is something personal towards Scarlett) I contacted TLO to remind her of the qualifier in case she didn't see it or might forget it since she lives in Korea (and has a very different time zone). I reminded A LOT of NA players via twitter or via twitch and asked them if they wanted to participate.
I do not hold a grudge against any player and I welcome anyone who can qualify and bring a good level to HSC but I don't think you would call Shaquille O'neal or Kenny Smith unprofessional if they mentioned that the Miami Heat didn't bring the righ spirit to several playoff games or an individual player had a bad performance.
Last but not least I will say: If I didn't run 30 qualification spots but rather had an invite all tournament the players would look drastically different and I would have loved to invite Neeb, Scarlett, Astrea and potentially either DisK (can't play) or trigger. With qualifiers I rather stick to a very top - heavy composition.
In any case I appreciate your feedback and will be more careful about writing with this account or end with (like I will do now)
- NarutO
Edit: Just to clear up I obviously don't want to say I am Shaq or Kenny , but those came to mind that are often critical in half time shows as professionals ^^ I do have to cast the TW/HK qualifier now but if people care I can create a list of players I would have invited to give a comparison to the qualified lineup
Top of my head: (no particular order, just so I now when i reach 32)
1. Serral 2. Reynor 3. Clem 4. Lambo 5. HeroMarine 6. ShoWTimE 7. Harstem 8. SKillous 9. Spirit 10. Neeb 11. Astrea 12. Scarlett 13. SpeCial 14. Kelazhur 15. TIME 16. Maru 17. GuMiHo 18. Creator 19. Solar 20. Dream 21. soO 22. Bunny 23. ByuN 24. herO 25. DRG 26. Zoun 27. Classic 28 .Elazer 29. DnS 30. PtitDrogo 31. MaNa 32. Rattata (I actually feel Gerald might be better rn but I sometimes have to consider race too)
9 Z 11 T 12 P
Then there are still players left you can argue about.
Trigger, DisK, Nina, Gerald, GungFuBanda, Krystianer, goblin, Bly, Milkicow, Strange, Future... But those are all very tough calls and you can never satisfy everyone. Its a learning process and I don't think my statements are unsportsmanship at all.
That would ve been: KR: 12 (+0) Eu: 14 (+0) NA: 3 (+1) LA: 2 (+1) CH: 1 (+0) TW: 0 (-1) RoA: 0 (-1) Compared with the representation of the Regions we got now
Players that would have gotten the invite and didn t qualify would have been: Maru, Gumiho, Dream, Scarlett, Special, Time (ignoring EU, because there still is a qualifier)
Players that qualified and would not gotten an invite are: Nightmare, Ragnarok, Armani, Gerald, Cyan, one TW Player (most likely Nice) and one RoA player
TIME cannot leave CN (too troublesome) Maru has a reason too that I cannot share Dream seemingly thought Europe was too far away when I asked him SpeCial has an appointment conflict with HSC
Hello, I usually post as TaKeTV since I use it to attach myself to events with this working account. I usually end with " - NarutO" since it represents my personal opinion. I am a professional caster just as long as Scarlett is a professional player. I have huge respects for her and for her achievements but I don't think being a professional in this working space should leave me without the right to personally adress things people bring up.
Thanks for the response.
The debate on whether or not Scarlett is good or off or bad is not interesting, so let's not get too tied up with that. It's also not that important if Europeans get more slots because reasons.
The problem here are the remarks being made while you serve as a host. Hosts of sports events usually come with some social etiquette to follow, such as sportsmanship conduct and being respectful of guests. What you said here was that European guests are cool and that those from other regions are simply not as cool as them. And then that one guest who lost the qualifiers got singled out and dissected for why she's not as cool as each and every single one of the cool guests. While all of that is something you are free to say, what's free to say is not necessarily decent.
Now, I am sure you are just passionate guy who didn't meant to be disrespectful and that this is simply a careless slip. Good luck with the event.
But bashing an organiser, Who puts lots of time and money into the scene just feels wrong
Hello, I usually post as TaKeTV since I use it to attach myself to events with this working account. I usually end with " - NarutO" since it represents my personal opinion. I am a professional caster just as long as Scarlett is a professional player. I have huge respects for her and for her achievements but I don't think being a professional in this working space should leave me without the right to personally adress things people bring up.
Hosts of sports events usually come with some social etiquette to follow, such as sportsmanship conduct and being respectful of guests. What you said here was that European guests are cool and that those from other regions are simply not as cool as them. And then that one guest who lost the qualifiers got singled out and dissected for why she's not as cool as each and every single one of the cool guests.
I am not sure where you read this? If anything my posts should have made clear that I am more than happy to have Scarlett around thus inviting her to NEARLY every edition of HSC. She is or has been outside of her skill a persona that is what we love at HSC. She is knowledgable as caster and fun with other players.
So I don't really see how I singled her out and made her out to not be cool. I adressed a post that took SC2 skill / current form into consideration and made out Scarlett as top 10 within EU easily. I personally disagree with this matter and while I run tournament organisation for HSC I don't see how this is either disrespectful nor unsportsmanship and in the very least attacking someone "to not be cool".
And if you would want to go that far I believe its fair to say some players are "cooler" than others for an event like HomeStoryCup. I'll just throw in Harstem who is insanely loved by the community and its probably fair to say he is one of the most wanted players at the event.
In any case, I accepted your first feedback and explained myself and I'll draw the line here where someone simply assumes what I said instead of actually quoting what I said and disagree with the statement I called out someone as "not cool" or giving the impression I didn't like a particular player.
All I did was answer to why NA gets 2 slots over 3 slots and the post about Scarlett vs Top 10 EU.
You guys are literally just arguing over which players are better when that's only half the argument.
Did we just forget about regional growth? Does it not matter anymore now that EU players have had region lock benefit them? We can just forget about the rest of the regions right?
OCE/TW/CHINA/LAM aren't going to improve if they're given no opportunities to play in events and no potential of making a career out of pro gaming.
ESL may as well be called European Simp League. Oh no, the shock, the horror, lesser skilled regions were given 1 qualifier slot to a premier tournament!
On June 23 2022 15:55 DIVINE_PEZZ wrote: You guys are literally just arguing over which players are better when that's only half the argument.
Did we just forget about regional growth? Does it not matter anymore now that EU players have had region lock benefit them? We can just forget about the rest of the regions right?
OCE/TW/CHINA/LAM aren't going to improve if they're given no opportunities to play in events and no potential of making a career out of pro gaming.
ESL may as well be called European Simp League. Oh no, the shock, the horror, lesser skilled regions were given 1 qualifier slot to a premier tournament!
Problem is the other regions are NOT growing Especially OCE feels like a wasteland whenever there is no DH Regional going on. No one even bothers to Play in any of the weekly Cups, it s only the Europeans, Koreans and a few NA/LA players in there. Every other month or so also Nice or Time. But I can t recall a Single weekly with a Single Oce Player in there. Feel free to prove me wrong.
On June 23 2022 15:55 DIVINE_PEZZ wrote: You guys are literally just arguing over which players are better when that's only half the argument.
Did we just forget about regional growth? Does it not matter anymore now that EU players have had region lock benefit them? We can just forget about the rest of the regions right?
OCE/TW/CHINA/LAM aren't going to improve if they're given no opportunities to play in events and no potential of making a career out of pro gaming.
ESL may as well be called European Simp League. Oh no, the shock, the horror, lesser skilled regions were given 1 qualifier slot to a premier tournament!
Fwiw i wasn't a fan of region lock either. But the other foreign regions had their own tournaments (regionals) with solid money for a long time and didn't show any growth in comparison with europe during the time growth could have happened so should they be rewarded now?
EPT
