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SHODAN
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SHODAN
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On June 10 2022 20:07 SHODAN wrote: I wonder why maru and others keep disappearing from the bracket? maru and ryung both signed up but now they are gone cause they dont checkin | ||
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tigera6
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 10 2022 20:52 tigera6 wrote: Its least 3rd qualifier exist, and Maru sign up for that one too. I think he didnt know which one he would play so he just signed up for all 3 qualifiers. That or Maru is the kind of person that answer "sound's fun!" when you tell him there's a party on the weekend, and then procede to ghost you when you ask him if he want to come. But more seriously, I hope he goes. It be a shame having a 12+ years Starcraft career and never getting to see HSC, it would be like a foreigner that never got to go to Seoul. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On June 10 2022 20:52 tigera6 wrote: At least 3rd qualifier exist, and Maru sign up for that one too. I think he didnt know which one he would play so he just signed up for all 3 qualifiers. actually maru signed up to the 3rd qualifier after the 2nd one started | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On June 10 2022 21:12 Nakajin wrote: That or Maru is the kind of person that answer "sound's fun!" when you tell him there's a party on the weekend, and then procede to ghost you when you ask him if he want to come. But more seriously, I hope he goes. It be a shame having a 12+ years Starcraft career and never getting to see HSC, it would be like a foreigner that never got to go to Seoul. the 3rd and final KR qualifier will be the easiest, since it won't be stacked with the players who already qualified. by saving himself for the last qualifier, Maru removes the risk of having to show his builds more than necessary. maybe that's it, or maybe he's just a party pooper | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 10 2022 13:26 TaKeTV wrote: I can confirm it for Rogue. Trap said himself some time ago that he played his last international tournament. There will be an ESL announcement in the future. I am sure of it. Zest / IEM was a different matter and afaik there was a bigger effort / on political level to make that happen. (Ie ministry of xy involved etc) Edit: also speaking directly with Rogue should be confirmation 😅 I know it probably won't happen, but I really hope they let him and Trap play from Korea (plus Time and Meo if visa problems were to hapen). It really be a shame to miss them, hell there's a decent chance every GSL champ this year will be lock in Korea | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On June 11 2022 06:10 Nakajin wrote: I know it probably won't happen, but I really hope they let him and Trap play from Korea (plus Time and Meo if visa problems were to hapen). It really be a shame to miss them, hell there's a decent chance every GSL champ this year will be lock in Korea Time wont come to Valencia | ||
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argonautdice
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QOGQOG
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On June 15 2022 09:24 argonautdice wrote: Kind of surprised NA only gets 2 region-locked spots out of 32, while EU basically gets 14. I'd agree, it feels like they're going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel on the last qualifier. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On June 15 2022 11:28 QOGQOG wrote: I'd agree, it feels like they're going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel on the last qualifier. From the top of my head eu still has
plus probably some more for the 3rd Qualifier who i would put skill wise above trigger who just barely did not make it in the NA Qualifier. So imo giving more slots to NA would be wasted. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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darklycid
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On June 15 2022 18:25 darklycid wrote: Problem is NA has 2 consistent good players (astrea, neeb) and scarlett who is more on and off, so if NA had e.g. a third slot this qual we would have gotten maybe Nina or Trigger, who are both imo not on the lvl of the left eu players (that are expected to qualify). agreed maybe a if scarlett has a good day it is 3 slost, if not it is 2 rule could be implemented XD | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On June 15 2022 14:03 hjpalpha wrote: From the top of my head eu still has
plus probably some more for the 3rd Qualifier who i would put skill wise above trigger who just barely did not make it in the NA Qualifier. So imo giving more slots to NA would be wasted. Thats also with Kelazhur deciding to participate in LatAm instead of EU which he often did. MaxPax not playing at all and Serral and Reynor being invites | ||
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Philippe
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On June 15 2022 09:24 argonautdice wrote: Kind of surprised NA only gets 2 region-locked spots out of 32, while EU basically gets 14. The low attendance of the qualifier invalidates the merit of asking for a third NA slot, and that would also means that out of 13 players, 25 percent of them should qualify ? hum ... Also seeing at least one of Neeb, Astrea or Scarlett getting booted out instead of all the three being almost guaranteed to go to Krefeld sounds more exciting, and anyway is merely mirroring the number of seeded NA slots for Valencia. I also don't like too much why so few players from NA play in the Open Cups or similar events, which I suspect is part of the why behind Take's and hpjalpha's arguments. The wider disagreement also has to do with the divide between those wanting to focus the slot allocation purely on merit/MMR/insert coin wise vs region fans who want more for those they support (anything outside Korea, Invites and EU). None side is either more right or wrong than the other but the organizer made his choice and it's final. EDIT : Specific tidbit about Scarlett, being able to score a lot of points in WTL has been balanced with getting beaten 0-2 by Nina and getting 0-5 in IEM, even playing the national lotto is less random than that. | ||
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
On June 16 2022 00:24 Philippe wrote: The low attendance of the qualifier invalidates the merit of asking for a third NA slot, and that would also means that out of 13 players, 25 percent of them should qualify ? hum ... Also seeing at least one of Neeb, Astrea or Scarlett getting booted out instead of all the three being almost guaranteed to go to Krefeld sounds more exciting, and anyway is merely mirroring the number of seeded NA slots for Valencia. I also don't like too much why so few players from NA play in the Open Cups or similar events, which I suspect is part of the why behind Take's and hpjalpha's arguments. The wider disagreement also has to do with the divide between those wanting to focus the slot allocation purely on merit/MMR/insert coin wise vs region fans who want more for those they support (anything outside Korea, Invites and EU). None side is either more right or wrong than the other but the organizer made his choice and it's final. EDIT : Specific tidbit about Scarlett, being able to score a lot of points in WTL has been balanced with getting beaten 0-2 by Nina and getting 0-5 in IEM, even playing the national lotto is less random than that. Is your 2nd paragraph implying that qualifiers based on merit would only have Korea and EU? Scarlett has better results historically and on aligulac even while slumping is above several EU players who are going to get to go. Also 3/13 vs 12/51 is basically the same percent. 12/51 is actually higher so lol at that "point". | ||
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tigera6
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On June 16 2022 00:24 Philippe wrote: The low attendance of the qualifier invalidates the merit of asking for a third NA slot, and that would also means that out of 13 players, 25 percent of them should qualify ? hum ... Also seeing at least one of Neeb, Astrea or Scarlett getting booted out instead of all the three being almost guaranteed to go to Krefeld sounds more exciting, and anyway is merely mirroring the number of seeded NA slots for Valencia. I also don't like too much why so few players from NA play in the Open Cups or similar events, which I suspect is part of the why behind Take's and hpjalpha's arguments. The wider disagreement also has to do with the divide between those wanting to focus the slot allocation purely on merit/MMR/insert coin wise vs region fans who want more for those they support (anything outside Korea, Invites and EU). None side is either more right or wrong than the other but the organizer made his choice and it's final. EDIT : Specific tidbit about Scarlett, being able to score a lot of points in WTL has been balanced with getting beaten 0-2 by Nina and getting 0-5 in IEM, even playing the national lotto is less random than that. While the actual signing up should impact the number of slot, like in this case KR getting 12 slots are too many considering about half of the top players are missing due to travel limitation (Rogue, Trap, Zest) or lack of interest (Dark, Cure), I find the reason to limit the slot because the region has less players active are purely comical. So you find its "more exciting" for have Neeb-Astrea-Scarlett to eliminate each other but its perfectly un-exciting to see EU players fighting it out for the qualifying spots? The "mirroring number of seed in to DH" reason is even more laughable, because from the original 16 spots to DH into 32 spots to HSC, the additional 16 spots are allocated as 2 invitation - 6 KR - and a whooping 8 for EU. So its fine for NA and other regions to stay the same, but its critical that EU get 8 more, right? Again, if "participation attitude" being a criteria for the number of qualifying spots, then EU should get 12 more spots, because I am seeing EU playesr are always super active, while the other region, KR included, are "lazy bum" comparatively. And I understand the that everything are based on the organizer decision, so it is what it is, but your reasoning is making me laugh real hard. And while I am not a fan of Scarlett myself, I just dont understand why people acting like shes isnt "top 12 EU" good. Shes 0-5 in IEM because that was an absolutely fucking tough group. So you think whoever your top 12 EU player is, they can go into that group and beat any of Reynor-Maru-Clem-Zoun-Byun? Like really? As for being 0-2 by Nina, I am pretty sure Nina or whoever the 3rd best player in NA is, can 2-0 a rank 11-12 EU player, given it Rattata, Spirit or even Skillous. I just dont see the difference in level to definitely see that ALL top 12 EU player is convincingly better than the 3rd best player in NA. Thats all. | ||
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Philippe
351 Posts
On June 16 2022 02:17 JJH777 wrote: Is your 2nd paragraph implying that qualifiers based on merit would only have Korea and EU? Scarlett has better results historically and on aligulac even while slumping is above several EU players who are going to get to go. Also 3/13 vs 12/51 is basically the same percent. 12/51 is actually higher so lol at that "point". One player can't always bank on previous match history to get away with more opportunites than deserved if recent results are more than varied. IEM 2021 : 33-36th IEM 2022 : finishing second in the DH NA rankings but not winning a single series DH NA 2023 : beaten by Astrea IEM Pyeongchang is a long time ago. 12/51 based on higher attendance is more justified at least than 3/13 when more players could have attended NA, but you see it as a non-point. Agree to disagree. | ||
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