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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 26 2022 16:37 GMT
#261
On February 27 2022 01:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
when he's on point, Rogue's ability to always keep his mutas active is just phenomenal

Yeah, it's not even a question of mechanics, he just seems to have incredible game sense in terms of where to be.
wat
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
February 26 2022 16:38 GMT
#262
Rogue loved playing using Muta a lot recently/
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
February 26 2022 16:38 GMT
#263
On February 27 2022 01:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
when he's on point, Rogue's ability to always keep his mutas active is just phenomenal


His aggressive multitasking in general is amazing. I'd be curious to see a `seconds of consecutive motion' on his mutas. Felt like they didn't sit still once for whole minutes of that game.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3433 Posts
February 26 2022 16:38 GMT
#264
LingbaneMuta is one of the most frustrating to watch as Terran, like those Muta never die unless they are forced to fight head-on, and when they reach critical mass, Turret or Thor is meaningless.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24232 Posts
February 26 2022 16:40 GMT
#265
On February 27 2022 01:38 swarminfestor wrote:
Rogue loved playing using Muta a lot recently/

If I remember correctly, his ZvT was quite shaky for some time. Then he destroyed Maru quite unexpectedly in his GSL finals using mostly roach floods and muta ling bane in the last game. Since then, his ZvT has been very reliable and very keen on mutas indeed. Sometimes it wasn't enough like vs Maru last year though.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
February 26 2022 16:40 GMT
#266
ccfirst at gold, Maru did this vs Solar on this map in some Korean tournament
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24232 Posts
February 26 2022 16:40 GMT
#267
Ryung, I love you and even if you lose you won't have a thing to regret in this series
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24232 Posts
February 26 2022 16:42 GMT
#268
NOOOOOO
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
February 26 2022 16:42 GMT
#269
well that was a game
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16095 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#270
lol. You gambled and you lost Ryung.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16003 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#271
this build didn't make sense at all
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#272
On February 27 2022 01:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Ryung, I love you and even if you lose you won't have a thing to regret in this series


He might have some thing to regret in this series .
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25958 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#273
Godamnit...
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3126 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#274
On February 27 2022 01:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 01:25 Captain Peabody wrote:
On February 27 2022 01:18 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On February 27 2022 01:03 xelnaga_empire wrote:
The ESL EU Cup is dominated by Protoss entries, week after week.


If the liquipedia entry is to be trusted, the EU ESL Cups performance is:

Terran: 72
Heromarine: 40
Clem: 28
THE DOMINANCE OF THE PROTOSS RACE, WEEK AFTER WEEK: 23
Zerg: 16
Showtime: 14
Reynor: 12

I think he's referring to the number of Protoss entrants into ESL Cups. They don't usually win, though, so it's pretty much irrelevant to the question of whether Protoss is underpowered at the highest level. Just like the predominance of Protoss in GM is irrelevant.

I don't even think it's that complex of a problem. There are just phases of the game where Protoss is very fragile bc their ability to survive depends on a few relatively clunky and hard-to-micro units like Colossus, Immortal, Carrier, HT, Disruptor. So even the top players end up losing games in embarrassing fashion.


I think there are probably a lot of factors involved, but I agree that Protoss' reliance on expensive, hard to replace tech units is a big part of it.

Weirdly enough, I was pushing that point of view ages ago when Khaydarin Amulet was removed.

yeah there's definitely more than that going on (player mindset, player pool in Korea, diminishing strength of all-ins over time, balance of defense vs offense, increase in basic skills across the board), but if you look at the times when the very top Protoss players just lose while looking like idiots, it does seem to usually come down to Zerg/Terran coming in with a big ol' ball of insanely microable, replaceable units and the Protoss trying to wedge their 2 irreplaceable Colossi into exactly the right spot or hit a single disruptor shot or storm.

I don't think reliance on fewer tech units is bad in itself (it's one of the things I like about Protoss), but I do think the balance of tech vs gateway units, how clunky and un-microable a lot of those tech units are, how weak they become when the opponent counters them or micros against them, how easy they are to replace, etc, seems off at the moment and is a big factor contributing to the inability of the very top Protoss to perform at the very top level.
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24232 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#275
I mean just keep the wall closed, it's not like saving two scvs was worth it... Damn, that was probably doomed in the first place, but if you hold the wall with hellions, you have two orbitals, more scvs... I dunno
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4414 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#276
Poor Ryung guess the hope was just Rogue not scouting the gold? It was kind of odd that he sent an overlord there so soon but if Maru's been using that build it makes sense.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#277
Yeah, this last build seemed very desperate. Still I'm impressed Ryung made it this far.
wat
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24232 Posts
February 26 2022 16:43 GMT
#278
On February 27 2022 01:43 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 01:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Ryung, I love you and even if you lose you won't have a thing to regret in this series


He might have some thing to regret in this series .

indeed hahahaha
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
February 26 2022 16:44 GMT
#279
stupid ultralisk statue definitely snitched
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
February 26 2022 16:44 GMT
#280
On February 27 2022 01:18 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 01:03 xelnaga_empire wrote:
The ESL EU Cup is dominated by Protoss entries, week after week.


If the liquipedia entry is to be trusted, the EU ESL Cups performance is:


Entries. Learn English buddy.
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