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On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time.
You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot.
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On February 26 2022 05:42 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot.
With no group setup transparency from ESL, all I can do is speculate.
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Byun with the build order win, scissors beats paper
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On February 26 2022 05:41 EquilasH wrote:
If you just look at the seeding of EPT points it looks pretty clear to me how groups are decided?
1-4 are all in different groups.
5-8 are in different groups.
9-12 are in different groups
13-16 are in different groups.
Hopefully it's completely randomized from there. This is never gonna leave us with perfect groups but no system is.
It is, but for 2 years in a row the draw results are lopesided
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On February 26 2022 05:45 FCHK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:41 EquilasH wrote:
If you just look at the seeding of EPT points it looks pretty clear to me how groups are decided?
1-4 are all in different groups.
5-8 are in different groups.
9-12 are in different groups
13-16 are in different groups.
Hopefully it's completely randomized from there. This is never gonna leave us with perfect groups but no system is. It is, but for 2 years in a row the draw results are lopesided
As I said, no system is gonna leave us with perfect groups.
Edit: This is the same for all sports; sometimes you end up in much harder groups than other times. Sometimes the same team will end up in a tough group 2, 3 or 4 years in a row.
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Groups with fixed positions for each seed announced in advance would be ideal.
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On February 26 2022 05:43 Die4Ever wrote:
Byun with the build order win, scissors beats paper
It's an excellent start, but not a straight win with someone like Reynor
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On February 26 2022 05:47 JJH777 wrote:
Groups with fixed positions for each seed announced in advance would be ideal.
Without any sort of randomization you incentivize people to throw certain matches late in the season to end up in a certain group. Personally that's something I want to avoid in Starcraft.
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On February 26 2022 05:43 koalabro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:42 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot. With no group setup transparency from ESL, all I can do is speculate.
Do you have any skills in critical thinking? You say that your opinion is most likely the right one, but offer no evidence. You are literally just talking nonsense. Lets say that you were taking a test and got everything correct. Your teachers still fails you, because he/she had no evidence on you not cheating. Same logic as you are using.
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phew that banshee played with fire
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On February 26 2022 05:50 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:43 koalabro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:42 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot. With no group setup transparency from ESL, all I can do is speculate. Do you have any skills in critical thinking? You say that your opinion is most likely the right one, but offer no evidence. You are literally just talking nonsense. Lets say that you were taking a test and got everything correct. Your teachers still fails you, because he/she had no evidence on you not cheating. Same logic as you are using.
I believe it. ESL knows how important it is for Serral to get first. Not in terms of audience hype but in terms of his emotional well-being and self-esteem. Because silver medal is bad, and if you are third you are absolutely awful, if you're fourth you're completely useless. Only winning matters, that's the Finnish attitude
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On February 26 2022 05:47 JJH777 wrote:
Groups with fixed positions for each seed announced in advance would be ideal.
Blizzcon used to do that, I liked it a lot more
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If Clem can beat Zoun and Byun, Zoun HAS to beat Maru to advance
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On February 26 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:50 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:43 koalabro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:42 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot. With no group setup transparency from ESL, all I can do is speculate. Do you have any skills in critical thinking? You say that your opinion is most likely the right one, but offer no evidence. You are literally just talking nonsense. Lets say that you were taking a test and got everything correct. Your teachers still fails you, because he/she had no evidence on you not cheating. Same logic as you are using. I believe it. ESL knows how important it is for Serral to get first. Not in terms of audience hype but in terms of his emotional well-being and self-esteem. Because silver medal is bad, and if you are third you are absolutely awful, if you're fourth you're completely useless. Only winning matters, that's the Finnish attitude
I was just about to go off on you until you quoted that. Well played, sir.
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On February 26 2022 05:53 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:52 Pandain wrote:On February 26 2022 05:50 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:43 koalabro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:42 HeroSandro wrote:On February 26 2022 05:27 koalabro wrote:
This is why we need transparency into how the groups are decided. This is what most likely happened:
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. You have no proof. You pull stuff from your ass. Can you please stop? You are an idiot. With no group setup transparency from ESL, all I can do is speculate. Do you have any skills in critical thinking? You say that your opinion is most likely the right one, but offer no evidence. You are literally just talking nonsense. Lets say that you were taking a test and got everything correct. Your teachers still fails you, because he/she had no evidence on you not cheating. Same logic as you are using. I believe it. ESL knows how important it is for Serral to get first. Not in terms of audience hype but in terms of his emotional well-being and self-esteem. Because silver medal is bad, and if you are third you are absolutely awful, if you're fourth you're completely useless. Only winning matters, that's the Finnish attitude I was just about to go off on you until you quoted that. Well played, sir.
Actually my favorite SC2 quote in a long time.
Clem looking good vs. Zoun. Byun will be a tough match but I'll be impressed if he can get himself into a decider match after losing his first 5 games and pulling the sixth one out of his ass
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Northern Ireland27176 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:46 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:45 FCHK wrote:On February 26 2022 05:41 EquilasH wrote:
If you just look at the seeding of EPT points it looks pretty clear to me how groups are decided?
1-4 are all in different groups.
5-8 are in different groups.
9-12 are in different groups
13-16 are in different groups.
Hopefully it's completely randomized from there. This is never gonna leave us with perfect groups but no system is. It is, but for 2 years in a row the draw results are lopesided As I said, no system is gonna leave us with perfect groups. Edit: This is the same for all sports; sometimes you end up in much harder groups than other times. Sometimes the same team will end up in a tough group 2, 3 or 4 years in a row.
Especially with such a clear gap between the 4 horsemen of Zerg, Maru and the next step down. It’s really difficult to make that fair. That’s my S class anyway
Go by EPT points and fully transparently people will still moan, because oh Trap is actually 3rd seed and apparently trash, so one or more group will 100% have more than one of that top group in it.
There’s too much one has to discount IMO to consider these groups particularly unfair.
Pesky things like, Zest and Trap actually winning tournaments the past year and being quite good for example. Or how the Korean tournies went
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Soo how are you supposed to win vs a good zerg on this map 
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Northern Ireland27176 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:57 darklycid wrote:Soo how are you supposed to win vs a good zerg on this map
I didn’t realise soO browsed TL but I hope he gets back to you
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On February 26 2022 05:49 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:47 JJH777 wrote:
Groups with fixed positions for each seed announced in advance would be ideal. Without any sort of randomization you incentivize people to throw certain matches late in the season to end up in a certain group. Personally that's something I want to avoid in Starcraft.
I agree
Which is why I suggested drawing it so that the same ranked player within each tier will end up in different groups
e.g.
Group A: 1 8 11 14
Group B: 2 5 12 15
Group C: 3 6 9 16
Group D: 4 7 10 13
Then 17-20 will be drawn into the groups randomly, and those from the Ro36 will be paired with them according to points
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On February 26 2022 06:00 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2022 05:57 darklycid wrote:Soo how are you supposed to win vs a good zerg on this map I didn’t realise soO browsed TL but I hope he gets back to you
Good one 
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EPT
