EPT[IEM] Katowice 2022 - RO24 Groups C & D - Page 22
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Zambrah
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Pandain
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45187 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:18 Pandain wrote: I don't even know what's the game of the tournament anymore It's a good problem to have  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 26 2022 04:56 EquilasH wrote: We all know this is the hardest group but didn't you just say the exact same thing a few pages ago? I’m not even sure it’s as hard as people are making out. If it’s the group of death it’s not by much. Admittedly I did vote for it in that poll! Lot depends who shows up I guess. Solar really brought his A game in vZ, Clem hasn’t in this group in the way he needed to. Group C was a real rollercoaster as it felt anyone could take anyone out and the level was reasonably even, and in that sense could maybe be considered the hardest group. I dunno, I think people’s general evaluation of players is super wonky. Scarlett’s done nothing of note internationally in eons, I’m not sure Byun’s actually as good as he was when he won his first post-military tournament. Conversely solid Code S staples like the Bunnyjwa and Dream, and of course Trap seem consistently underrated for whatever reason. Forgive my ramblings, just salty I can’t watch the carnage live! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:21 WombaT wrote: I’m not even sure it’s as hard as people are making out. If it’s the group of death it’s not by much. Admittedly I did vote for it in that poll! Lot depends who shows up I guess. Solar really brought his A game in vZ, Clem hasn’t in this group in the way he needed to. Group C was a real rollercoaster as it felt anyone could take anyone out and the level was reasonably even, and in that sense could maybe be considered the hardest group. I dunno, I think people’s general evaluation of players is super wonky. Scarlett’s done nothing of note internationally in eons, I’m not sure Byun’s actually as good as he was when he won his first post-military tournament. Conversely solid Code S staples like the Bunnyjwa and Dream, and of course Trap seem consistently underrated for whatever reason. Forgive my ramblings, just salty I can’t watch the carnage live! If every player in Group D played at their absolute peak it would be an unreal group of death. Maru and Reynor delivered but not the rest, so in retrospect I think other groups were tougher. I think Group C was the toughest group after seeing them all play out. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:22 Pandain wrote: If every player in Group D played at their absolute peak it would be an unreal group of death. Maru and Reynor delivered but not the rest, so in retrospect I think other groups were tougher. Well Zoun is peaking, in a 6 player pool, there is not much room that only 3 players peaking. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:21 WombaT wrote: I’m not even sure it’s as hard as people are making out. If it’s the group of death it’s not by much. Admittedly I did vote for it in that poll! Lot depends who shows up I guess. Solar really brought his A game in vZ, Clem hasn’t in this group in the way he needed to. Group C was a real rollercoaster as it felt anyone could take anyone out and the level was reasonably even, and in that sense could maybe be considered the hardest group. I dunno, I think people’s general evaluation of players is super wonky. Scarlett’s done nothing of note internationally in eons, I’m not sure Byun’s actually as good as he was when he won his first post-military tournament. Conversely solid Code S staples like the Bunnyjwa and Dream, and of course Trap seem consistently underrated for whatever reason. Forgive my ramblings, just salty I can’t watch the carnage live! I gotta be honest I saw very little of Byun's games so I can't really comment on his current form. And while this didn't end up being the group of death in the sense that it's the hardest to predict I still think it's the group with the best players. I always loved Trap but didn't know what to expect since his recent results didn't look great. I'm really happy he showed up with some solid play though. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:24 Argonauta wrote: Well Zoun is peaking, in a 6 player pool, there is not much room that only 3 players peaking. Yeah Zoun is playing really well. I think he's a real dark horse, though a lot of the ro12 draws are brutal. | ||
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koalabro
59 Posts
ESL put Serral in the hands down easiest group there can be, and put him in an earlier day. Then put people like Maru and Reynor in the last group knowing they will play long games and they'll be tired. This gives Serral rest time and time to observe Maru and Reynor. They are gonna be extremely tired the next day and Serral will capitalize on that. Honestly. All of the groups should have been played at the same time. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16114 Posts
That same could be said for any of the other players in this group. Put them in Group B or C and they would have had a MUCH easier team advancing out in 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in any of those groups except for maybe A which is stacked with 4 elite Koreans. No but instead we have all of them in the same group. It's a higher skill level group that is ALSO competitive. Group C as an opposite example had a lot of parity but with weaker players than is in Group D. Group B was two elite players and then 4 players that wouldn't have a shot at advancing out of Group D at all if they were subbed in for any of the players in it. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:28 Vindicare605 wrote: You guys are out of your mind. The reason Group D is the group of death is because if Clem was in Group B or C he would have had no trouble at all advancing out of his group, he would have been fighting for 1st or second instead of almost going 0-3 because his first two matches were against Maru and Reynor. That same could be said for any of the other players in this group. Put them in Group B or C and they would have had a MUCH easier team advancing out in 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in any of those groups except for maybe A which is stacked with 4 elite Koreans. No but instead we have all of them in the same group. It's a higher skill level group that is ALSO competitive. Group C as an opposite example had a lot of parity but with weaker players than is in Group D. Group B was two elite players and then 4 players that wouldn't have a shot at advancing out of Group D at all if they were subbed in for any of the players in it. Would Clem have easily advanced from B or C playing like he is? I think Clem's definitely playing well below his peak level, losing 0-2 to Maru is understandable, losing to Reynor is understandable but it wasn't even particularly close in scoreline or the games. He's also having trouble with Scarlett who might be one of the weaker players in the ro24. If I had to guess he'd make it out of B but not C. (I still think group D is the group of death, and we obviously can't tell ahead of time what version of players will show up.) | ||
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tigera6
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FCHK
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koalabro
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On February 26 2022 05:32 tigera6 wrote: Well yeah, somehow the person with the highest seed/EPT points is put into group D but not A is a big weird. Last year TY got the most pts and he was in group A iirc. I think you know why On February 26 2022 05:33 FCHK wrote: Let's just agree that the rules regarding the group draw is not good enough, and hope that it will be improved next season Wouldn't hold my breath. Russia is too busy invading Ukraine and Microsoft doesn't care about esports | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On February 26 2022 05:18 Pandain wrote: I don't even know what's the game of the tournament anymore same. Excellent tournament and I'm so glad we're back to offline SC2. | ||
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Poaktree
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
1-4 are all in different groups. 5-8 are in different groups. 9-12 are in different groups 13-16 are in different groups. Hopefully it's completely randomized from there. This is never gonna leave us with perfect groups but no system is. | ||
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