[IEM] Katowice 2022 - RO24 Groups C & D - Page 24

On February 26 2022 06:00 WombaT wrote:

I didn’t realise soO browsed TL but I hope he gets back to you

On February 26 2022 05:57 WombaT wrote:

Especially with such a clear gap between the 4 horsemen of Zerg, Maru and the next step down. It’s really difficult to make that fair. That’s my S class anyway

Go by EPT points and fully transparently people will still moan, because oh Trap is actually 3rd seed and apparently trash, so one or more group will 100% have more than one of that top group in it.

There’s too much one has to discount IMO to consider these groups particularly unfair.

Pesky things like, Zest and Trap actually winning tournaments the past year and being quite good for example. Or how the Korean tournies went

On February 26 2022 06:01 FCHK wrote:

I agree

Which is why I suggested drawing it so that the same ranked player within each tier will end up in different groups

e.g.
Group A: 1 8 11 14
Group B: 2 5 12 15
Group C: 3 6 9 16
Group D: 4 7 10 13

Then 17-20 will be drawn into the groups randomly, and those from the Ro36 will be paired with them according to points

On February 26 2022 06:00 WombaT wrote:

I didn’t realise soO browsed TL but I hope he gets back to you

On February 26 2022 05:49 EquilasH wrote:

Without any sort of randomization you incentivize people to throw certain matches late in the season to end up in a certain group. Personally that's something I want to avoid in Starcraft.

On February 26 2022 06:05 DBooN wrote:

He did play in lrsl that one time.

On February 26 2022 06:06 JJH777 wrote:


This is the common thought but I disagree. For one seeds are constantly changing until the actual last event so it would really only be an issue there. Is someone really going to give up a chance to win $10k at Last Chance for a better IEM group? I doubt it.

On February 26 2022 06:04 EquilasH wrote:

How does that disincentivize the #7 seed trying to get to 8th on EPT points if it looks like group D will be harder for example?

Edit: I guess we should make a separate thread if we want to continue with this.

On February 26 2022 06:15 Gina wrote:
Have they even tried distributing stage time fairly in this group?

On February 26 2022 06:13 EquilasH wrote:

You have ESL cups that grant 10, 5 and 2 points with prize differentials of $100 between 1st and 2nd place. Those points could've been the difference between 15th and 16th seed this season.
I don't think a lot of players would try to abuse this system even if they had the chance to but my point is that it incentivizes just that.
I'm gonna leave this discussion at that.

On February 26 2022 06:18 JJH777 wrote:


This is a completely different argument though because initially you said it would cause players to throw. If they don't want open cup points they just won't play in them. If it effecting open cups is really the best argument then I think the transparency of that system is a worthwhile trade.