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On January 24 2022 20:41 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well I knew Creator was going to eventually disappoint I just expected it one round sooner. That wouldve been expected, not disappointing 
Listen here you little shit....
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On January 24 2022 19:59 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:49 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man  The data did support this. Like I said, the top 3 Korean Protoss would typically win out against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021. It happened over and over again, until GSL Season 3 with Cure's run. Since January 01 2021 to August 31 2021 Maru is 11:10 vs Trap(3:2), 2:1 vs Parting(1:0, 9:2 vs Zest(4:0) Cure is 32:22 vs Trap(10:6), 28:21 vs Parting(8:3), 87  4 vs Zest(22:21) Byun is 24:20 vs Trap(9:5), 19:37 vs Parting(4:12), 86:78 vs Zest(25:19) RIP Data, RIP you not beiung a troill
So I was skeptical of this data since you didn't provide a source. I went to Aligulac to check this myself. Here is the link for my source: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown:
AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3
WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1
Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0
Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3
GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3
ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2
How are you getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap?
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On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here:  Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio.
I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown:
AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3
WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1
Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0
Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3
GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3
ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2
How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap?
Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling?
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Keep going guys, you're almost as entertaining as Charoisaur and Xain0n
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Maru-Dark final hype!
(But this is ST, so we're fated to have a PvP final clown fiesta...)
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On January 24 2022 19:50 Argonauta wrote:
OK so which ones are those premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021 we should look at?
Repeating this post again:
Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran.
Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing.
IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest)
GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3.
GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way.
Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest.
TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way.
GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note).
DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals.
In the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021, the top 3 Korean Terran would typically lose out against the top 3 Korean Protoss.
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Oh crap Maru lost two games :x. As long as he wins it's okay I guess but all of these recent losses are worrying
Gotta watch the vods asap
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On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio.
darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021?
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On January 24 2022 19:59 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:49 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man The data did support this. Like I said, the top 3 Korean Protoss would typically win out against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021. It happened over and over again, until GSL Season 3 with Cure's run. Since January 01 2021 to August 31 2021 Maru is 11:10 vs Trap(3:2), 2:1 vs Parting(1:0, 9:2 vs Zest(4:0) Cure is 32:22 vs Trap(10:6), 28:21 vs Parting(8:3), 87 4 vs Zest(22:21) Byun is 24:20 vs Trap(9:5), 19:37 vs Parting(4:12), 86:78 vs Zest(25:19) RIP Data, RIP you not beiung a troill
Still waiting for an answer Deacon Frost. Here is the link for my source: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown:
AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3
WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1
Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0
Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3
GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1
Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0
Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3
ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2
How are you getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Where is the link for your source?
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On January 24 2022 20:51 RKC wrote:
Maru-Dark final hype!
(But this is ST, so we're fated to have a PvP final clown fiesta...)
This could be a repeat of ST1 in 2020, which was one of the great ST final imo.
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On January 24 2022 21:06 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:51 RKC wrote:
Maru-Dark final hype!
(But this is ST, so we're fated to have a PvP final clown fiesta...) This could be a repeat of ST1 in 2020, which was one of the great ST final imo.
Yeah, one of the most epic finals of all time! Let's not jinx it...
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On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling?
Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio.
On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021?
do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts?
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On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts?
I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too.
You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data?
Do you know what the best part of Deacon.Frost's post is? Deacon.Frost didn't post a link to his/her source. That's a big red flag in itself when a link isn't posted so we can double check Deacon.Frost's source. But you just blindly gobbled up whatever Deacon.Frost posted. SMH.
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On January 24 2022 21:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts? I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too. You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data?
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
maru positive vs all three
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Cure positive or even vs all three
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Byun positive vs zest and trap negative vs parting
Data doesn't support your claim, now fuck off.
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On January 24 2022 21:33 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts? I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too. You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data? http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=maru positive vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Cure positive or even vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Byun positive vs zest and trap negative vs parting Data doesn't support your claim, now fuck off.
So I don't know who is the 3rd best Korean Terran in 2021. It's probably one of Bunny, Dream, or Byun. But if I look up Bunny and Dream against Trap/Zest/Parting, it doesn't look so good for Bunny and Dream from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021:
Bunny is 1–7 (12.50%) in games and 1–2 (33.33%) in matches against Trap.
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Bunny is 4–11 (26.67%) in games and 1–3 (25.00%) in matches against Zest.
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Bunny is 3–3 (50.00%) in games and 1–1 (50.00%) in matches against PartinG.
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Dream is 9–20 (31.03%) in games and 1–6 (14.29%) in matches against Trap:
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Dream is 16–34 (32.00%) in games and 3–11 (21.43%) in matches against Zest
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
Dream is 1–2 (33.33%) in games and 0–1 (0.00%) in matches against PartinG.
http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
So for Bunny and Dream, they did pretty bad against the top 3 Protoss from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021, for this Aligulac data.
One thing you have to consider is that Aligulac also includes lower prized tournaments in these stats as well. It still gives us a data point to look at, so that is important (I am not saying we should disregard this data from Aligulac, please don't get my words wrong). However, in my opinion, for a player like Zest, Zest often is not at his best for the lower prized tournaments. If you watch Zest enough, you will know that Zest saves his best focus and best play for the Premier level tournaments.
That's why I said the top Korean Terran struggled against the top Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021. If I had to put money on Trap/Zest/Parting in a Premier tournament over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in the the first 2/3 of 2021, I would have put money on Trap/Zest/Parting coming out over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in a Premier tournament in the first 2/3 of 2021. I already posted how the top 3 Korean Terrans generally struggled against the top 3 Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021 in my summary here: https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/584302-gsl-super-tournament-1-day-three?page=4#71
Nothing I said was inaccurate. But you would have to be pretty blind or biased to not recognize that the top Korean Terrans didn't struggle against the top Korean Protoss in Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021.
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On January 24 2022 21:45 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:33 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 21:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts? I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too. You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data? http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=maru positive vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Cure positive or even vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Byun positive vs zest and trap negative vs parting Data doesn't support your claim, now fuck off. So I don't know who is the 3rd best Korean Terran in 2021. It's probably one of Bunny, Dream, or Byun. But if I look up Bunny and Dream against Trap/Zest/Parting, it doesn't look so good for Bunny and Dream from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021: Bunny is 1–7 (12.50%) in games and 1–2 (33.33%) in matches against Trap. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Bunny is 4–11 (26.67%) in games and 1–3 (25.00%) in matches against Zest. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Bunny is 3–3 (50.00%) in games and 1–1 (50.00%) in matches against PartinG. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 9–20 (31.03%) in games and 1–6 (14.29%) in matches against Trap: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 16–34 (32.00%) in games and 3–11 (21.43%) in matches against Zest http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 1–2 (33.33%) in games and 0–1 (0.00%) in matches against PartinG. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=So for Bunny and Dream, they did pretty bad against the top 3 Protoss from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021, for this Aligulac data. One thing you have to consider is that Aligulac also includes lower prized tournaments in these stats as well. It still gives us a data point to look at, so that is important (I am not saying we should disregard this data from Aligulac, please don't get my words wrong). However, in my opinion, for a player like Zest, Zest often is not at his best for the lower prized tournaments. If you watch Zest enough, you will know that Zest saves his best focus and best play for the Premier level tournaments. That's why I said the top Korean Terran struggled against the top Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021. If I had to put money on Trap/Zest/Parting in a Premier tournament over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in the the first 2/3 of 2021, I would have put money on Trap/Zest/Parting coming out over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in a Premier tournament in the first 2/3 of 2021. I already posted how the top 3 Korean Terrans generally struggled against the top 3 Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021 in my summary here: https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/584302-gsl-super-tournament-1-day-three?page=4#71Nothing I said was inaccurate. But you would have to be pretty blind or biased to not recognize that the top Korean Terrans didn't struggle against the top Korean Protoss in Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021.
so the top 4 and 5 terran struggle against the top 3 protoss in TvP.... inst that... expected? normal? the opposite of your point?
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On January 24 2022 22:37 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:45 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 21:33 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 21:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:
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Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021.
Like were you not listening or watching interviews?
The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again.
What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts? I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too. You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data? http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=maru positive vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Cure positive or even vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Byun positive vs zest and trap negative vs parting Data doesn't support your claim, now fuck off. So I don't know who is the 3rd best Korean Terran in 2021. It's probably one of Bunny, Dream, or Byun. But if I look up Bunny and Dream against Trap/Zest/Parting, it doesn't look so good for Bunny and Dream from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021: Bunny is 1–7 (12.50%) in games and 1–2 (33.33%) in matches against Trap. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Bunny is 4–11 (26.67%) in games and 1–3 (25.00%) in matches against Zest. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Bunny is 3–3 (50.00%) in games and 1–1 (50.00%) in matches against PartinG. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Bunny 1517
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 9–20 (31.03%) in games and 1–6 (14.29%) in matches against Trap: http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 16–34 (32.00%) in games and 3–11 (21.43%) in matches against Zest http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Dream is 1–2 (33.33%) in games and 0–1 (0.00%) in matches against PartinG. http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Dream 109
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=So for Bunny and Dream, they did pretty bad against the top 3 Protoss from Jan 1 to August 31 in 2021, for this Aligulac data. One thing you have to consider is that Aligulac also includes lower prized tournaments in these stats as well. It still gives us a data point to look at, so that is important (I am not saying we should disregard this data from Aligulac, please don't get my words wrong). However, in my opinion, for a player like Zest, Zest often is not at his best for the lower prized tournaments. If you watch Zest enough, you will know that Zest saves his best focus and best play for the Premier level tournaments. That's why I said the top Korean Terran struggled against the top Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021. If I had to put money on Trap/Zest/Parting in a Premier tournament over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in the the first 2/3 of 2021, I would have put money on Trap/Zest/Parting coming out over Maru/Cure/(whoever the 3rd best Terran is) in a Premier tournament in the first 2/3 of 2021. I already posted how the top 3 Korean Terrans generally struggled against the top 3 Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021 in my summary here: https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/584302-gsl-super-tournament-1-day-three?page=4#71Nothing I said was inaccurate. But you would have to be pretty blind or biased to not recognize that the top Korean Terrans didn't struggle against the top Korean Protoss in Premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021. so the top 4 and 5 terran struggle against the top 3 protoss in TvP.... inst that... expected? normal? the opposite of your point?
My point was the top 3 Korean Terran struggled against the top 3 Korean Protoss in the Premier tournaments for the first 2/3 of 2021.
I have never deviated from that point. And I have provided proof of that, in the Premier tournament results. I also said the turning point for this was when Cure won GSL Season 3, beating the top 3 Protoss to win it.
I assume some Protoss players here don't want to admit that the top Korean Protoss did very well against the top Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 for Premier level tournaments. It is a fact though.
Just like some Protoss players say Protoss hasn't won anything in the last 2 years, when the facts show Trap won 6 Premier level tournaments in the last 1.5 years.
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On January 24 2022 21:33 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 21:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 21:21 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 20:14 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man Alright, Premier level tournaments are listed here: Premier Tournaments. The data is there to see the performance of the top Korean Protoss against the top Korean Terran. Dreamhack Last Chance 2020/2021: Trap comes out on top, winning the whole thing. IEM Katowice: Parting/Zest knock out Ty & Innovation (Clem gets knocked out by Zest) GSL Season 1: Maru is down 0-3 to Trap. In the 4th game, Trap does a shield battery rush and Trap is winning but makes the mistake of moving his Tempests away from the shield batteries (only Trap knows why he did this). Maru makes the come back to win against Trap 4-3. GSL Super Tournament 1: Trap wins this again, beating multiple Korean Terrans along the way. Next S1: Trap wins this too. Cure is the last Terran holdout, getting beat by Zest. TSL 7: Trap wins this, beating Cure along the way. GSL Season 2: This is where Maru loses to sOs and Zoun. Bunny also gets beat by Trap (Bunny or Dream are probably the 3rd best Korean Terran by GSL Season 2 so that's why I am including Bunny in this note). DH Summer Masters 2021: Finally, an upset by Maru against the top 3 Protoss here with Maru winning against Zest in the group stages. Maru gets out of the group stages and avoids Protoss in the playoffs. Because Maru avoids Protoss, he manages to make it to the finals. Seriously darklycid, the data is right there for Premier tournaments. How can you be so biased to not see that the top 3 Korean Protoss typically came out on top against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021? Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. I double checked Deacon's data. This is what I got from January 1 to August 31 in Aligulac: http://aligulac.com/players/1665/results/?after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&event=&race=p&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Aligulac shows all the series Cure played against Trap from January 1 to August 31. I get Cure 17 wins, Trap 16 wins in head to head games. In series count, I get Cure 5 series wins, Trap 5 series wins. Here is what I see in the Aligulac breakdown: AlphaX Brawler 8 Cure 0, Trap 3 WardiTV 2021 Prelim Cure 2, Trap 1 Alpha X Series Special 20 Cure 3, Trap 0 Netease 2021 S1 Cure 2, Trap 3 GSL Super Tourn 2 Cure 1, Trap 3 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardii Spring 2021 Cure 2, Trap 1 Netease S1 Cure 2, Trap 0 Wardi Prelim #2 Cure 2, Trap 3 ITax #5 Cure 1, Trap 2 How is Decaon getting Cure is 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap? Maybe consider that Deacon is the one that is trolling? Even if cure is 5:5 with trap the data still doesn't support your claim + L + ratio. On January 24 2022 21:00 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 20:16 darklycid wrote:
Deacon alrdy deleted ur data claim + L + ratio. darklycid, why are you so quiet now that I showed Deacon Frost has wrong data? How is Deacon Frost getting 32:22, and 10:6 in series against Trap from January 1 to August 31 of 2021? do you actually think i have this threads open 24/7 and just wait for your stupid troll posts? I wasn't going to call you a troll and I was going to keep it civil with you. But at this point, you are a troll too. You fell for Deacon.Frost's troll data. Deacon.Frost literally made up data to troll everyone and you fell for it. Are you trolling along with Deacon.Frost? Why do you support Deacon.Frost's troll data? http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Maru 49
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=maru positive vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=Cure 1665
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Cure positive or even vs all three http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Trap 177&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
Zest 1658&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/results/search/?search=&after=2021-01-01&before=2021-08-31&players=ByuN 47
PartinG 5&event=&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Byun positive vs zest and trap negative vs parting Data doesn't support your claim, now fuck off.
Well, weren't you the one who recommended ignoring him? And look and behold who's replying to the troll xD
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It's absolutely incredible how good Zoun is in super tournaments, relative to his other performances
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