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On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series.
Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2:  Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime.
And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021.
It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Koraen Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap.
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On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap.
You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement 
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On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement
It doesn't cancel out the fact that the top Korean Terrans could not win against the top Korean Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. The top Korean Protoss had an abusive 2/3 of 2021, winning over and over again against the top Korean Terran.
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On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement
You realize xelnaga is just trolling?
Edit> to prove the point> Code S S1
Maru 3:1 Hurrican
Trap 3:2 Innovation
Maru 4:3 Trap (that was during the Trap's reign in lower tier tournaments)
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On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling?
This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points.
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On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Koraen Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap.
Well if instead of season 2 GSL 2021 you look at GSL season 1 2021, you got a radically different picture.
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On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise
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PvT was def not a stable matchup 2021 i'd say but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed.
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Guys let's talk about something else. Anyone else think Serral is the GOAT?
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On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
PvT was def not a stable matchup 2021 i'd say but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed.
Well, thats the point why I write xelnaga is a troll
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On January 24 2022 19:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
PvT was def not a stable matchup 2021 i'd say but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Well, thats the point why I write xelnaga is a troll
Well i fear he isn't and is actually serious
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On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
If it was that difficult to beat Bunny, Zest better pray that Hero knocks out Maru because there is absolutely no chance that level of PvT is gonna take Maru down. OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise
Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO.
If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance.
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On January 24 2022 19:41 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:07 deacon.frost wrote:
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OTOH It's Maru, he's like Rogue in many ways and Terran isn't as stable race as Zerg is (IMO) Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO. If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance.
I am at work and not bored enough to reply to you in any at least semi-serious way, so ... uh... well... nope? I know trolls strive for replies, but are mine enough to keep you fed? I doubt that
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On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed.
Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021.
Like were you not listening or watching interviews?
The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again.
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On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again.
What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man
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On January 24 2022 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:41 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 18:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
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Thats why Im leaving open the possibility that Hero pulls off an upset. But no way Maru loses to Zest if he beats Hero, no way, not if Zest plays like that. Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO. If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance. I am at work and not bored enough to reply to you in any at least semi-serious way, so ... uh... well... nope? I know trolls strive for replies, but are mine enough to keep you fed? I doubt that
All you do is troll. See, I bring up the point that you should use Premier level tournaments where both the Koreans and Europeans compete in, when assessing the state of the game. Now you just avoid this all together, not responding to why Premier level tournaments should be used, preferring to stick with your "cherry picked" tournaments. This is what a troll does, they try to move on to a different subject rather than addressing the fundamental point (which is that Premier level tournaments with Koreans and Europeans competing in should be used instead of your cherry picked tournaments).
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On January 24 2022 19:47 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:44 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:38 darklycid wrote:
but tournaments dont support protoss dominating terran in the first 2/3 of 2021 it was pretty mixed. Then you are either very biased or blind. The Korean Terrans said multiple times they wanted to avoid Protoss in 2021. Like were you not listening or watching interviews? The Korean Terrans weren't saying they wanted to avoid Zerg. They wanted to avoid Protoss, over and over again. What massive goalpost moving is this, like do you even read what you write? If the data doesnt support your claim i guess we take what ppl are saying now. I got a massive job opportunity for you at the local circus my man
The data did support this. Like I said, the top 3 Korean Protoss would typically win out against the top 3 Korean Terran in the first 2/3 of 2021. It happened over and over again, until GSL Season 3 with Cure's run.
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On January 24 2022 19:48 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:41 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:
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Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO. If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance. I am at work and not bored enough to reply to you in any at least semi-serious way, so ... uh... well... nope? I know trolls strive for replies, but are mine enough to keep you fed? I doubt that All you do is troll. See, I bring up the point that you should use Premier level tournaments where both the Koreans and Europeans compete in, when assessing the state of the game. Now you just avoid this all together, not responding to why Premier level tournaments should be used, preferring to stick with your "cherry picked" tournaments. This is what a troll does, they try to move on to a different subject rather than addressing the fundamental point (which is that Premier level tournaments with Koreans and Europeans competing in should be used instead of your cherry picked tournaments).
It's not my fault that your arguments are invalid. Learn to read and properly discuss and maybe I will start taking you seriously, until then you're an object of entertainment and not a partner for discussion.
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On January 24 2022 19:48 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:41 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:On January 24 2022 18:12 deacon.frost wrote:
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Well, I was talking about Maru v Zest. For two reasons. First - Maru will play 2nd PvT so Zest can have some idea what will go on, Second - It's Maru and while he's not as YOLO as Bunny is, Maru can do overaggressive shit and against Protoss it isn't good idea because shield batteries exist. But I am nor Maru nor good so I am probably wrong XD When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO. If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance. I am at work and not bored enough to reply to you in any at least semi-serious way, so ... uh... well... nope? I know trolls strive for replies, but are mine enough to keep you fed? I doubt that All you do is troll. See, I bring up the point that you should use Premier level tournaments where both the Koreans and Europeans compete in, when assessing the state of the game. Now you just avoid this all together, not responding to why Premier level tournaments should be used, preferring to stick with your "cherry picked" tournaments. This is what a troll does, they try to move on to a different subject rather than addressing the fundamental point (which is that Premier level tournaments with Koreans and Europeans competing in should be used instead of your cherry picked tournaments).
OK so which ones are those premier tournaments in the first 2/3 of 2021 we should look at?
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On January 24 2022 19:50 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2022 19:48 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:43 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:41 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:36 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 19:29 deacon.frost wrote:On January 24 2022 19:26 darklycid wrote:On January 24 2022 19:21 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 24 2022 18:16 tigera6 wrote:
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When Maru lost PvT series in 2021, it was either to a Trap at his best, or when he was forced to play in GSL less than 12hrs after a long Bo7 with Reynor in DH Summer. Other than that, he was pretty great in PvT as well, yeah he threw games, but I dont know if he would throw the entire series. Maru and all the other top Korean Terrans were very bad at PvsT in the first 2/3 of 2021. Maru straight up lost two series to Protoss in GSL Season 2 in 2021. Maru lost to sOs, and then Maru lost to Zoun in GSL Season 2: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2. The irony was, sOs's level had dropped and sOs was retiring, but it was still enough for sOs to beat Maru. A retiring Protoss player could still beat the GOAT for Terran, and Maru is still in his prime while sOs was not even close to his prime. And as I mentioned earlier, all the other top Korean Terrans were struggling heavily against Protoss in the first 2/3 of 2021. If it was a series between the top 3 Korean Protoss versus the top 3 Korean Terran - that is a series between Trap/Zest/Parting against Maru/Cure/(whoever 3rd best Korean Terran is), Trap/Zest/Parting would typically come out on top in the first 2/3 of 2021. It wasn't until Cure had the amazing GSL Season 3 run that a top Terran finally managed to beat out Trap/Zest/Parting. But even in GSL Season 3 when Cure had his amazing run, Maru also lost to Trap. You realize the gsl group of maru was played right after his finals vs reynor in the season finals so he included your example in his statement You realize xelnaga is just trolling? This is what you do Deacon Frost, you just troll over and over. You cherry pick the tournaments that suit you and prove your point. You outright ignore the Premier tournaments that don't suit your points. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies, no-no, you can't disguise Deacon Frost, all you do is cherry pick and troll. Pretty sad, IMO. If you wanted more integrity in your arguments, you don't cherry pick. Just use all Premier tournaments, specifically the ones where all the top Koreans and top Europeans are mixed in. That's the best way to assess performance. I am at work and not bored enough to reply to you in any at least semi-serious way, so ... uh... well... nope? I know trolls strive for replies, but are mine enough to keep you fed? I doubt that All you do is troll. See, I bring up the point that you should use Premier level tournaments where both the Koreans and Europeans compete in, when assessing the state of the game. Now you just avoid this all together, not responding to why Premier level tournaments should be used, preferring to stick with your "cherry picked" tournaments. This is what a troll does, they try to move on to a different subject rather than addressing the fundamental point (which is that Premier level tournaments with Koreans and Europeans competing in should be used instead of your cherry picked tournaments). It's not my fault that your arguments are invalid. Learn to read and properly discuss and maybe I will start taking you seriously, until then you're an object of entertainment and not a partner for discussion.
See, all you do is troll, troll, and troll. Once again, you try to avoid the discussion of Premier level tournaments by trying to switch the subject. SMH.
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