[WTL 2021] Winter - Week 11 - Page 5
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darklycid
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Moonerz
United States441 Posts
However, realistically is there any incentive for a team to agree to play a game ahead of time when by simply declining that request they can force one of their opponents best players out of the match? Once it gets towards the end of the season and the stakes feel/are higher I couldn't blame a team for not shifting their games around to suit their opponent. | ||
WardiTV
542 Posts
On December 22 2021 23:50 Moonerz wrote: However, realistically is there any incentive for a team to agree to play a game ahead of time when by simply declining that request they can force one of their opponents best players out of the match? Once it gets towards the end of the season and the stakes feel/are higher I couldn't blame a team for not shifting their games around to suit their opponent. I think the idea is that you can't refuse to play ahead of time, if the other team still has uses of their "playing ahead" counter or however it is. The league even tried to reschedule the Liquid game, when they heard Ryung couldn't play when told, but then Clem was away for holidays so he just wasn't back in any time to play it. So it's not really about declining, if your opponent requests it you have to go by it, there was just no solution here with this final week being so close to the holidays etc / roster released close to the play day. | ||
lepricon1992
96 Posts
On December 22 2021 23:50 Moonerz wrote: I do agree about a standard procedure, or limited number of requests which I think was mentioned earlier in the thread as well. I don't really find fault with what GP did, nor the organizer or TL really. It's just an unfortunate event that highlights one of the most difficult things about a World Team League, scheduling. However, realistically is there any incentive for a team to agree to play a game ahead of time when by simply declining that request they can force one of their opponents best players out of the match? Once it gets towards the end of the season and the stakes feel/are higher I couldn't blame a team for not shifting their games around to suit their opponent. Admin did confirm that “3 rep chance for no reason” rule exists, and yes TL has ran out of their chance before this round. Admin said considerung this might be the most important match for two teams in regular season, he wanted to deal with it in a humanized way, by not forbidding TL to send clem. So he agreed to help TL to negotiate. Therefore, TL should take the risk (and they did accept): either GP agree TL's timetable to play against Clem(which obviously benifits TL), or GP agree TL to change player and take a little bit advantage (but not as big as a 1-0 start, in this case it's that GP can choose a player to play against, plus 1 more round server advantage). Admin emphasized that both two teams were satisfied with the result, there was no dispute at all. What wardi said in stream yesterday was nothing more than a misinterpretation. | ||
WardiTV
542 Posts
On December 23 2021 01:32 lepricon1992 wrote: Admin did confirm that “3 rep chance for no reason” rule exists, and yes TL has ran out of their chance before this round. Admin said considerung this might be the most important match for two teams in regular season, he wanted to deal with it in a humanized way, by not forbidding TL to send clem. So he agreed to help TL to negotiate. Therefore, TL should take the risk (and they did accept): either GP agree TL's timetable to play against Clem(which obviously benifits TL), or GP agree TL to change player and take a little bit advantage (but not as big as a 1-0 start, in this case it's that GP can choose a player to play against, plus 1 more round server advantage). Admin emphasized that both two teams were satisfied with the result, there was no dispute at all. What wardi said in stream yesterday was nothing more than a misinterpretation. I mean I had multiple Liquid players telling me they had not used their three replay chances, kind of hard to misinterpret that. I repeated what I was told. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 23 2021 01:29 WardiTV wrote: I think the idea is that you can't refuse to play ahead of time, if the other team still has uses of their "playing ahead" counter or however it is. The league even tried to reschedule the Liquid game, when they heard Ryung couldn't play when told, but then Clem was away for holidays so he just wasn't back in any time to play it. So it's not really about declining, if your opponent requests it you have to go by it, there was just no solution here with this final week being so close to the holidays etc / roster released close to the play day. The 3 "reschedule" allowed feels like a bad idea to me, it's just asking to lead into problems (it's unclear what would have happened here, I guess GP loses Ryung and has to field someone else/forfeit?) I think it should just be: The WTL (SCBoy) set the schedule. If a team want to reschedule, they need the accord of the opposite team and off the WTL. If either refuse, the team has to field someone else or forfeit, if the other team accept to reschedule but then can't make it to the agreed time, they have to field someone else or forfeit. The WTL can change the schedule unilateraly with or without consultation of the teams. (For exemple if there is a tournament overlap they want to avoid) Honestly I don't think it would change much, most people are pretty chill with rescheduling, but it would solve the problem. | ||
WardiTV
542 Posts
On December 23 2021 02:06 Nakajin wrote: The 3 "reschedule" allowed feels like a bad idea to me, it's just asking to lead into problems (it's unclear what would have happened here, I guess GP loses Ryung and has to field someone else/forfeit?) I think it should just be: The WTL (SCBoy) set the schedule. If a team want to reschedule, they need the accord of the opposite team and off the WTL. If either refuse, the team has to field someone else or forfeit, if the other team accept to reschedule but then can't make it to the agreed time, they have to field someone else or forfeit. The WTL can change the schedule unilateraly with or without consultation of the teams. (For exemple if there is a tournament overlap they want to avoid) Honestly I don't think it would change much, most people are pretty chill with rescheduling, but it would solve the problem. It would change a lot - why would you accept reschedules if you don't have to and you could force your opponents teams to be missing players? At a guess I would say ~50% of matches this season have included some maps from replays, so it's a pretty huge chunk to just say "get on with it" And I don't think they would lose Ryung, I think it's an issue with it being the end of the season, WTL were willing to change the match schedule to help. Mostly it's not a problem as when players are told they need to play early with enough time to do so, everybody can, because pro players availability is very high. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On December 23 2021 02:18 WardiTV wrote: It would change a lot - why would you accept reschedules if you don't have to and you could force your opponents teams to be missing players? At a guess I would say ~50% of matches this season have included some maps from replays, so it's a pretty huge chunk to just say "get on with it" And I don't think they would lose Ryung, I think it's an issue with it being the end of the season, WTL were willing to change the match schedule to help. Mostly it's not a problem as when players are told they need to play early with enough time to do so, everybody can, because pro players availability is very high. Heh, I think if players needed to be there we would'nt have nearly has many match from replay. We had a decade when players needed to fly around the world to phisically be at tournament and for the most part everyone made it work just fine. GSTL and Proleague players too were there week in week out for years, and when sometime they couldn't be available because of another tournament or something else, their team just send someone else. I have a hard time beleiving that so many players can't fit a 2-3 hours spot in their schedule once a week. (And not even once a week since they don't have to play each week) I honestly don't think teams would go to the hassle to refuse every rescheduling offer, just as right now they don't try to reschedule to gain an advantage on preparation time or to stuck an adversary. | ||
lepricon1992
96 Posts
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tigera6
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Sui
26 Posts
Also, Qlash confirmed to participate in the WTL next season. Source: scboy.cc | ||
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digmouse
China6326 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On December 23 2021 13:40 Sui wrote: It seems there's going to be a WTL vs World, a showmatch between 4 players from the WTL and 4 players outside of WTL, played during the Chinese Gold series finals in Jan. 7 - 9 Source: blz.cn Also, Qlash confirmed to participate in the WTL next season. Source: scboy.cc Qlash needs to add Terran and Protoss players in their team roster. Are they any remaining player who haven't sign up yet for a team? | ||
buzz_bender
445 Posts
On December 23 2021 19:26 swarminfestor wrote: Qlash needs to add Terran and Protoss players in their team roster. Are they any remaining player who haven't sign up yet for a team? I'm sure they can have an all-Zerg team ![]() | ||
tigera6
3191 Posts
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lepricon1992
96 Posts
There will be little chance for them to come back to the main level event next year since Qlash confirmed joining the battle. GGWP | ||
Moonerz
United States441 Posts
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digmouse
China6326 Posts
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lepricon1992
96 Posts
On December 24 2021 00:18 digmouse wrote: Total prize pool for next season could potentially be doubled as they will be adding extras from league merchandise sales. I think xiaose means this season, not next. | ||
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digmouse
China6326 Posts
On December 24 2021 00:23 lepricon1992 wrote: I think xiaose means this season, not next. Oh that's even better then. Didn't catch the first half. | ||
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