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Hi, this is Team GP Owner "Thebartv"
Clem asked us to play early and I delivered it to Ryung right away. Due to personal reasons, Ryung also couldn't play because he didn't have time until the day of the game. So, according to the organizers, the players were replaced and played according to mutual agreement.
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i guess the mutual agreement did not include the ability to pick the player, and even more : the server advantage
but well..
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Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened.
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Kinda like a double-jeopardy for Liquid, they dont get to re-schedule the match for Clem AND get punished for asking basically. WTL messed this one up big time in my book.
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On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened.
that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already"
also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much
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France12758 Posts
Gogo Percival! Make it 4-2
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On December 21 2021 22:18 hyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened. that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already" also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much
That's not "asking for more advantage" but a compromise from my point of view. Since TL has ran out their chance of playing ahead (which is 3 times per season), GP can easily reject their request and start with 2-0 if they really want. The admin may made mistake telling TL "100% guarenteed"(we don't know if it's real or not), but the rule is always there.
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On December 21 2021 22:43 lepricon1992 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2021 22:18 hyuu wrote:On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened. that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already" also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much That's not "asking for more advantage" but a compromise from my point of view. Since TL has ran out their chance of playing ahead (which is 3 times per season), GP can easily reject their request and start with 2-0 if they really want. The admin may made mistake telling TL "100% guarenteed"(btw we don't if it's real or not), but the rule is always there.
That's Liquid being punished further for the admins mistake, they wouldn't have picked Clem if the admin told them the true situation from the start?
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France12758 Posts
It's amazing the number of ace matches team GP forced (although that's also why their ranking suffers in spite their w-l being better than the other teams, but that's expected from underdogs)
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Harstem is a very nice choice for the Ace against Ryung, if he can play like how he did against Maru in TSL 8.
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On December 21 2021 23:06 tigera6 wrote: Harstem is a very nice choice for the Ace against Ryung, if he can play like how he did against Maru in TSL 8.
It's pretty much the only choice anyway, right? Clem can't play, poor Mana was not even supposed to play and got 2-0ed and uThermal looked too shaky in TvT.
C'mon, Harstem - go get this!
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On December 21 2021 22:56 WardiTV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2021 22:43 lepricon1992 wrote:On December 21 2021 22:18 hyuu wrote:On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened. that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already" also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much That's not "asking for more advantage" but a compromise from my point of view. Since TL has ran out their chance of playing ahead (which is 3 times per season), GP can easily reject their request and start with 2-0 if they really want. The admin may made mistake telling TL "100% guarenteed"(btw we don't if it's real or not), but the rule is always there. That's Liquid being punished further for the admins mistake, they wouldn't have picked Clem if the admin told them the true situation from the start?
The leader of executive team says he will make an announcement after today's match to explain all these things behind, we'll see.
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Both team Liquid and GP would really benefit from having a strong Zerg player. Btw, Soo is coming back after IEM right?
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On December 21 2021 22:56 WardiTV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2021 22:43 lepricon1992 wrote:On December 21 2021 22:18 hyuu wrote:On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened. that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already" also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much That's not "asking for more advantage" but a compromise from my point of view. Since TL has ran out their chance of playing ahead (which is 3 times per season), GP can easily reject their request and start with 2-0 if they really want. The admin may made mistake telling TL "100% guarenteed"(btw we don't if it's real or not), but the rule is always there. That's Liquid being punished further for the admins mistake, they wouldn't have picked Clem if the admin told them the true situation from the start?
What do you mean about "true situation"? Liquid needs to know they have used all replay change. That is rule. Every team is same.
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The world doesn't revolve around you Wardi
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The only official information I saw was Mana saying "can confirmed", whatever that means, and the post from Team GP Owner. Let's not get ahead of ourselves to blame anyone based on so little information.
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Canada8988 Posts
On the bright side to all this, TL winning with the ace mean that PSI can make it to the playoff with 2 maps, and with MaxPax-Bunny and Gumi-DRG, I like their chances.
The suspense continue!
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On December 21 2021 23:48 Durrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2021 22:56 WardiTV wrote:On December 21 2021 22:43 lepricon1992 wrote:On December 21 2021 22:18 hyuu wrote:On December 21 2021 22:04 RichardStark wrote: Well, according to Scboy's streaming, TL has used up all the chance to playing ahead, so TL has to seek for GP's agreement for playing ahead, naturally GP didn't agree with this proposal. And since TL has to change player before the match, which is sort of violating the rule(obviously it is unreasonable to change player after the playoffs have been decided), so GP is granted for some advantages during the match, and this is why they have the server advantages. (Sorry for the broken English, but this is more or less what happened. that's so weird, when Admin told Team Liquid : "you can play ahead of time Clem, 100% guarenteed", TL should have understood "No you have used all your chances already" also it is understandable team GP wants to avoid to face Clem, but asking even more advantage over this looks a bit too much That's not "asking for more advantage" but a compromise from my point of view. Since TL has ran out their chance of playing ahead (which is 3 times per season), GP can easily reject their request and start with 2-0 if they really want. The admin may made mistake telling TL "100% guarenteed"(btw we don't if it's real or not), but the rule is always there. That's Liquid being punished further for the admins mistake, they wouldn't have picked Clem if the admin told them the true situation from the start? What do you mean about "true situation"? Liquid needs to know they have used all replay change. That is rule. Every team is same.
I mean if Liquid asked the admin the admin should have said "No you used your three chances to play from replay." What I was told is they were told yes Clem could play from replay - I'm only making my judgement from what I have been told from those involved.
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4 1-post accounts on 1 page - that's gotta be some kind of a record, right?
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