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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China5960 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-21 10:17:08
December 20 2021 13:30 GMT
#1
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(Wiki)World Team League/2021/Winter/Regular Season

Tuesday, Dec 21 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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December 21

GP vs TL

* (T)Ryung vs (P)MaNa
(P)Prince vs (P)Harstem
(T)Percival vs (T)uThermal

* Clem is replaced by MaNa due to availability issue.

GGG vs AX

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December 22

NV vs PSI

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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2392 Posts
December 20 2021 13:39 GMT
#2
I realy like the chances for GP to stike another miracle upset here.
Also Gerald is the sacrificial lamb
MaxPax | Reynor | Clem
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia1856 Posts
December 20 2021 14:37 GMT
#3
Team GP can crush TL's dream to proceed into playoff.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France11412 Posts
December 20 2021 15:33 GMT
#4
Oh it starts tomorrow? Exciting final weeks!
WriterBiggest Maru fanboy?
WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
455 Posts
December 20 2021 16:50 GMT
#5
I'm hearing drama about Ryung vs Clem, hope we just get a normal match for Playoff deciding series ;(
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada7958 Posts
December 20 2021 17:42 GMT
#6
On December 21 2021 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
I'm hearing drama about Ryung vs Clem, hope we just get a normal match for Playoff deciding series ;(


What kind of drama?
http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24033 Posts
December 20 2021 22:26 GMT
#7
On December 21 2021 02:42 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2021 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
I'm hearing drama about Ryung vs Clem, hope we just get a normal match for Playoff deciding series ;(


What kind of drama?

I don't get that "*Subject to map order change or change of match-up" thing either
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England881 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-21 12:49:20
December 21 2021 09:51 GMT
#8
It seems Clem will not play today after being guaranteed he could play ahead of time with a cast from replays from the admin, however GP did not inform Ryung of this in time and Ryung couldn’t play once told while Clem was still available.

GP are allowing a different player to play Ryung - they will get to choose which of the remaining Liquid players this is - but are also asking for a 1-0 lead or additional server preferences.

This is what I can gather from my sources. Horrible way for the playoffs to be decided if true.

Edit : Ryung will play MaNa with both maps played on West, so Ryung server advantage

Adding from GP, as im linking to this post on stream

On December 21 2021 21:34 thebartv wrote:
Hi, this is Team GP Owner "Thebartv"

Clem asked us to play early and I delivered it to Ryung right away. Due to personal reasons, Ryung also couldn't play because he didn't have time until the day of the game.
So, according to the organizers, the players were replaced and played according to mutual agreement.
CommentatorOwner of WardiTV. Streamer, caster & event organizer. / / www.wardi.tv
Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland101 Posts
December 21 2021 10:03 GMT
#9
Can confirm true ^
Team Liquid
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China5960 Posts
December 21 2021 10:18 GMT
#10
Weird for GP to ask for preferences when they failed to notify their player.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1523 Posts
December 21 2021 10:19 GMT
#11
This is quite shockingly bad management imo, I mean if Clem cant play today, why didnt WTL just swap the match with the teams from a later day?
WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
455 Posts
December 21 2021 10:24 GMT
#12
On December 21 2021 19:18 digmouse wrote:
Weird for GP to ask for preferences when they failed to notify their player.


Kind of a crazy advantage anyway to basically remove Clem, yet they seem to be given all the leniency in a situation which is their own fault. Very badly handled sadly from what I have heard of it
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1523 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-21 10:35:06
December 21 2021 10:34 GMT
#13
I dont feel strongly over team GP fault, cause basically Clem ask for a re-schedule for personal reason (not tournament related), so GP can say yes or no. Surely GP messed up when accept without informing their player, its still their right to reject the offer. Imagine if GP said no from the beginning, would Clem be able to play or he would still miss it? But the part about GP asking for more advantage is just too greedy and wrong though.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada7958 Posts
December 21 2021 10:57 GMT
#14
On December 21 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote:
I dont feel strongly over team GP fault, cause basically Clem ask for a re-schedule for personal reason (not tournament related), so GP can say yes or no. Surely GP messed up when accept without informing their player, its still their right to reject the offer. Imagine if GP said no from the beginning, would Clem be able to play or he would still miss it? But the part about GP asking for more advantage is just too greedy and wrong though.


It's not clear from what Wardi is saying that GP accepted before the admin told Clem/TL it was ok.
If GP said yes then backed up it's not great, but if they didn't I think it's ok to ask for something else since Ryung prep goes to the drain a few hour before the match
http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2392 Posts
December 21 2021 11:01 GMT
#15
All in all it seems like a horrible chain of bad comunication.
No matter what the outcome will be, there is going to be a sour taste to the match, especially since it means so much for both teams
MaxPax | Reynor | Clem
WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
455 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-21 11:59:34
December 21 2021 11:30 GMT
#16
On December 21 2021 19:57 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote:
I dont feel strongly over team GP fault, cause basically Clem ask for a re-schedule for personal reason (not tournament related), so GP can say yes or no. Surely GP messed up when accept without informing their player, its still their right to reject the offer. Imagine if GP said no from the beginning, would Clem be able to play or he would still miss it? But the part about GP asking for more advantage is just too greedy and wrong though.


It's not clear from what Wardi is saying that GP accepted before the admin told Clem/TL it was ok.
If GP said yes then backed up it's not great, but if they didn't I think it's ok to ask for something else since Ryung prep goes to the drain a few hour before the match


I don't think it's about accepting? I don't know how it works, but all season we have had a lot of games from replays, even without tournament clashes. It sounds like TL were told by the admin it was fine to play Clem and have a replay cast, as it has been multiple times through the season for a bunch of different teams and players. I don't think that's something Team GP can say no too, they just get told you need to play within the next X days. Fault is on GP to not inform their player properly, clearly they were able to in previous weeks when their players played from replays too?

I don't know, seems like a mess of an admin decision

Edit: can't get over the fact Team GP got to PICK which of the other Liquid players came in as a replacement, on top of now getting West-West instead of West-Central. Insanity
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada7958 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-21 12:09:27
December 21 2021 12:07 GMT
#17
On December 21 2021 20:30 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2021 19:57 Nakajin wrote:
On December 21 2021 19:34 tigera6 wrote:
I dont feel strongly over team GP fault, cause basically Clem ask for a re-schedule for personal reason (not tournament related), so GP can say yes or no. Surely GP messed up when accept without informing their player, its still their right to reject the offer. Imagine if GP said no from the beginning, would Clem be able to play or he would still miss it? But the part about GP asking for more advantage is just too greedy and wrong though.


It's not clear from what Wardi is saying that GP accepted before the admin told Clem/TL it was ok.
If GP said yes then backed up it's not great, but if they didn't I think it's ok to ask for something else since Ryung prep goes to the drain a few hour before the match


I don't think it's about accepting? I don't know how it works, but all season we have had a lot of games from replays, even without tournament clashes. It sounds like TL were told by the admin it was fine to play Clem and have a replay cast, as it has been multiple times through the season for a bunch of different teams and players. I don't think that's something Team GP can say no too, they just get told you need to play within the next X days. Fault is on GP to not inform their player properly, clearly they were able to in previous weeks when their players played from replays too?

I don't know, seems like a mess of an admin decision


Feels a bit weird if they don't have the choice to refuse to play from replay. Every team has a schedule known well in advance, if they can't agree to acomodate a player from the other team it should be the original schedule that stick. It's not like TL can't work around it, they have plenty of players on their bench.

For someone like Ryung going into arguably his most important SC2 match in 2 or 3 years since leaving for the military, I'm hard press to blame him for saying he's unable/unwilling to play it from replay. You mess up your schedule and shorten your preparation time against a player that's favored against you to accomodate him.


GP being able to pick his opponent is compleatly bonkers though
http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France11412 Posts
December 21 2021 12:13 GMT
#18
Hopefully Ryung pulls off the win, Team GP struggled so hard and still made the upsets happen, would be nice to see them qualify.
WriterBiggest Maru fanboy?
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
162 Posts
December 21 2021 12:14 GMT
#19
On December 21 2021 18:51 Wardi wrote:
It seems Clem will not play today after being guaranteed he could play ahead of time with a cast from replays from the admin, however GP did not inform Ryung of this in time and Ryung couldn’t play once told while Clem was still available.

GP are allowing a different player to play Ryung - they will get to choose which of the remaining Liquid players this is - but are also asking for a 1-0 lead or additional server preferences.

This is what I can gather from my sources. Horrible way for the playoffs to be decided if true.

Edit : Ryung will play MaNa with both maps played on West, so Ryung server advantage


Wow, unreal

kindof sad, i liked team GP before but this mentality is a no no
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
1523 Posts
December 21 2021 12:20 GMT
#20
Well, its about time we get another villain in WTL other than DPG. Especially with how much people have cheered for GP at the beginning of the season.
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