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Maru might have been more penalyzed by the latency but the first game was still around the hightest level and very enjoyable.
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Ah, PiG.
A ToD appearance would be highly appreciated as well please
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On July 18 2020 01:48 Penev wrote:
Ah, PiG.
A ToD appearance would be highly appreciated as well please
I second that, he might whine a bit too much on war3 but what a amazing caster he is.
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On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form.
The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok).
Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time.
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On July 18 2020 01:45 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. It's not that he plays bad, he just never won one in his 10 years career.
He's only ever played a few of them though that's the thing.
I think he's literally only played like 6 weekenders outside of asia? And made ro4 in four of them
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There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ (can't blame balance) offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's
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On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time.
He doenst have deep runs? Thats a bit of a strech, he has several 3-4th places
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On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time.
I remember this 0-3 vs Rogue in blizzcon 2015, it hurts !
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On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's
We just never had a good chance to put that to practice.
Plus Reynor despite not doing badly has had as much succes in the GSLas Maru has on weekenders the time he played there.
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On July 18 2020 01:50 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time. He doenst have deep runs? Thats a bit of a strech, he has several 3-4th places
He has 1 Blizzcon top 4 and that part was exclusively about Blizzcon.
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On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time.
He didn't lose to Duckdeok, that was INnoVation. Maru made ro4 and lost to Jaedong that year. Only other blizzcon he's played he lost to Rogue in the ro16 (i think people said he had wrist issues at the time or something hence why he played mech every game, but it was a bad showing either way).
As for the sOs series, it was terrible sure, but it wasn't something literally any player outside of sOs would have pulled of (maybe Rogue too). I still think Maru would have beaten someone like Reynor in that tournament.
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On July 18 2020 01:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:50 Argonauta wrote:On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:On July 18 2020 01:34 geokilla wrote:
Can you imagine how the games would have went if we didn't have ping? Oh man. I think that's why Maru went mech instead of bio. Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time. He doenst have deep runs? Thats a bit of a strech, he has several 3-4th places He has 1 Blizzcon top 4 and that part was exclusively about Blizzcon.
what about katowice?
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On July 18 2020 01:52 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:52 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:50 Argonauta wrote:On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
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Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time. He doenst have deep runs? Thats a bit of a strech, he has several 3-4th places He has 1 Blizzcon top 4 and that part was exclusively about Blizzcon. what about katowice?
The only weekenders he won was wesg 2017 if I am not mistaken.
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On July 18 2020 01:52 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:52 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:50 Argonauta wrote:On July 18 2020 01:49 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:47 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:45 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2020 01:43 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 01:41 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 01:38 DieuCure wrote:On July 18 2020 01:35 Nakajin wrote:
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Nah pretty sure Reynor's just better. How ? Maru would 4-0 him offline. In a weekender outside of Asia? Not even close. I don't know where this idea comes from that Maru plays bad in weekenders outside of asia. The perception gets screwed when you realise he plays literally two of those a year. Cut to one without Blizzcon. And yeah he's usually fine at Katowice. Does he really play badly at blizzcon either? Losing to sOs and Dark in quaterfinals is disapointing but not unexpected even for a Maru in peak form. The series against sOs was objectively atrocious. He also has more Blizzcon performances than those and I think he only had 1 deep run in many attempts (which was almost ended off the main stream by duckdeok). Nothing to say about the Dark series really, that was just unwinnable no matter what condition Maru was in that day. Dark was too good at the time. He doenst have deep runs? Thats a bit of a strech, he has several 3-4th places He has 1 Blizzcon top 4 and that part was exclusively about Blizzcon. what about katowice?
I already addressed that he does fine at Katowice earlier in the comment chain you're quoting.
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On July 18 2020 01:51 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's We just never had a good chance to put that to practice. Plus Reynor despite not doing badly has had as much succes in the GSLas Maru has on weekenders the time he played there.
Reynor was ridiculously young when he was in Korea lol. He hadn't broken out yet and he was still able to take series' off of the cream of the crop Koreans (classic comes to mind).
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On July 18 2020 01:55 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:51 Lexender wrote:On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's We just never had a good chance to put that to practice. Plus Reynor despite not doing badly has had as much succes in the GSLas Maru has on weekenders the time he played there. Reynor was ridiculously young when he was in Korea lol. He hadn't broken out yet and he was still able to take series' off of the cream of the crop Koreans (classic comes to mind).
And he fittingly got removed from GSL by a fellow non-Korean.
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On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ (can't blame balance) offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's
Reynor isn't close to Serral mechanically. The reason he can sometimes (and not often mind) beat him in ZvZ is usually down to tactics, of which Reynor is extremely abusive. Mirror matchups (across the board) are typically where mechanics matter the least. I'd bet on Serral to beat someone like Maru offline, but not Reynor.
The problem with what you say is that Reynor has never quite proved he's at that level mechanically. Maru has been the best in the world in that department enough times to give him credit. Not saying Reynor 100% isn't, but the responsibility goes on him to prove that.
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Finally some Golden Wall.
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On July 18 2020 01:57 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically
reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ (can't blame balance) offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's Reynor isn't close to Serral mechanically. The reason he can sometimes (and not often mind) beat him in ZvZ is usually down to tactics, of which Reynor is extremely abusive. Mirror matchups (across the board) are typically where mechanics matter the least. I'd bet on Serral to beat someone like Maru offline, but not Reynor. The problem with what you say is that Reynor has never quite proved he's at that level mechanically. Maru has been the best in the world in that department enough times to give him credit. Not saying Reynor 100% isn't, but the responsibility goes on him to prove that.
I'm not so sure about that. I loved how Reynor used his Lings. Instead of just attack moving, he was microing them and actually getting a full surround on the mech army while chasing with his Roach/Ravager army while Terran was retreating.
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