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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-17 17:09:33
July 17 2020 17:09 GMT
#1021
he actually hit the shade grenade, 8 ping confirmed
~~~~~
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 17 2020 17:09 GMT
#1022
On July 18 2020 02:08 stilt wrote:
Come on Clem, prevent a protoss to reach the holy quarter final !


Go home Satan, you're drunk.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
July 17 2020 17:10 GMT
#1023
On July 18 2020 02:09 ytherik wrote:
It seems EU is slowly becoming the new South Korea in a sense that the advantage of better practice environment that Koreans had for all those years is now shifting to EU. There is now enough high level players and fresh blood in EU to allow the top players to improve collectively at a very high pace.


Its just Serral and Reynot doing well don't exagerate lol.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States469 Posts
July 17 2020 17:11 GMT
#1024
On July 18 2020 02:09 ytherik wrote:
It seems EU is slowly becoming the new South Korea in a sense that the advantage of better practice environment that Koreans had for all those years is now shifting to EU. There is now enough high level players and fresh blood in EU to allow the top players to improve collectively at a very high pace.


It also helps that the scene is very euro-centric right now, the big tournaments are generally hosted in EU. Most of these online events happen at good time for EU, bad time for KR also in the middle of a GSL season.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 17 2020 17:11 GMT
#1025
On July 18 2020 02:05 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 01:57 Fango wrote:
On July 18 2020 01:50 BerserkSword wrote:
There's no reason to believe that reynor isnt at or beyond maru's level mechanically

reynor has the mechanics to beat serral in ZvZ (can't blame balance) offline....and serral's mechanics are superior to maru's

Reynor isn't close to Serral mechanically. The reason he can sometimes (and not often mind) beat him in ZvZ is usually down to tactics, of which Reynor is extremely abusive. Mirror matchups (across the board) are typically where mechanics matter the least. I'd bet on Serral to beat someone like Maru offline, but not Reynor.

The problem with what you say is that Reynor has never quite proved he's at that level mechanically. Maru has been the best in the world in that department enough times to give him credit. Not saying Reynor 100% isn't, but the responsibility goes on him to prove that.


Mechanics matter the MOST in mirror matches, contrary to what people thing.

You can't fall behind macro wise and you are stuck with the same units as opponent, so if you dont micro better you have a problem.

Yeah no, this has been shown time and time again. Mirror matchups tend to be closer between openents that are otherwise vastly apart in skill based on the other MUs. Mechanics can be very easily overcome by tactics or build orders.

In TvT and PvP it's a bigger deal, you often see weaker players take series off 'better' ones, but it applies to ZvZ as well. Players like Elazer and Lambo aren't likely to make a scratch against the top terrans or protosses, but them winning against any zerg isn't a suprise.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 17 2020 17:13 GMT
#1026
Honorable macro player Astrea cheesed out by disgusting Terran plays.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-17 17:14:48
July 17 2020 17:14 GMT
#1027
On July 18 2020 02:10 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:09 ytherik wrote:
It seems EU is slowly becoming the new South Korea in a sense that the advantage of better practice environment that Koreans had for all those years is now shifting to EU. There is now enough high level players and fresh blood in EU to allow the top players to improve collectively at a very high pace.


Its just Serral and Reynot doing well don't exagerate lol.


We're looking at the possibility of every EU player advancing and 3 of them winning their group, and a Showtime, a UT or an Elazer in the place of HM doesn't sound to bad.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 17 2020 17:14 GMT
#1028
On July 18 2020 02:08 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:01 Musicus wrote:
Not sure about mechanics overall, but when it comes to speed I think Reynor is faster than Serral and Maru.

At least Rotti said he was mindblown when he saw Reynor play offline and he is the fastest player out there. And I'd say Rotti saw every top player there is play offline.

Based on their streams and first person views I don't think so at all. It's way harder to keep up with what Serral and Maru are doing.

Wonder if anyone has screen-per-minute stats for these kind of things


It would be pretty interesting indeed.
Serral might be very sightly better than him mechanically but this impression might be caused by the playstyle of both players, Serral focus a lot on the standart/defensive zerg gameplay with a lot of emphasis on the creep while Reynor is more agressive and tend to lose a bit more glings in consequence. (these traits really remind Life, I dismissed it in the past because he was still not at this level but nowadays...)
ytherik
Profile Joined July 2020
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-17 17:20:54
July 17 2020 17:14 GMT
#1029
On July 18 2020 02:10 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:09 ytherik wrote:
It seems EU is slowly becoming the new South Korea in a sense that the advantage of better practice environment that Koreans had for all those years is now shifting to EU. There is now enough high level players and fresh blood in EU to allow the top players to improve collectively at a very high pace.


Its just Serral and Reynot doing well don't exagerate lol.


Well not only those two. Those guys are the best but that's also due to the fact they have decent practice partners. Elazer, Lambo, Clem, ShoWTimE, HeRoMaRinE, uThermal, souL are all players that are capable of taking games if not series from top Koreans these days imo.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 17 2020 17:16 GMT
#1030
GG Clem !
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 17 2020 17:17 GMT
#1031
On July 18 2020 02:09 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:08 stilt wrote:
Come on Clem, prevent a protoss to reach the holy quarter final !


Go home Satan, you're drunk.


Damn it Satan, get lost! Nobody likes you!
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
July 17 2020 17:17 GMT
#1032
It is a bit disappointing that clem did not get out first from the group because then all groups would have a foreigner as first and this would have guaranteed four Foreigner (European) vs Koreans at ro8.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 17 2020 17:18 GMT
#1033
Clem setting himself up for the infamous GSL style 3-2 loss
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ytherik
Profile Joined July 2020
199 Posts
July 17 2020 17:18 GMT
#1034
On July 18 2020 02:11 Moonerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:09 ytherik wrote:
It seems EU is slowly becoming the new South Korea in a sense that the advantage of better practice environment that Koreans had for all those years is now shifting to EU. There is now enough high level players and fresh blood in EU to allow the top players to improve collectively at a very high pace.


It also helps that the scene is very euro-centric right now, the big tournaments are generally hosted in EU. Most of these online events happen at good time for EU, bad time for KR also in the middle of a GSL season.

Yes that's also a big factor for sure.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
July 17 2020 17:19 GMT
#1035
On July 18 2020 02:17 Legan wrote:
It is a bit disappointing that clem did not get out first from the group because then all groups would have a foreigner as first and this would have guaranteed four Foreigner (European) vs Koreans at ro8.


E vs E and K vs K is better because of server.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
July 17 2020 17:19 GMT
#1036
On July 18 2020 02:17 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:09 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 18 2020 02:08 stilt wrote:
Come on Clem, prevent a protoss to reach the holy quarter final !


Go home Satan, you're drunk.


Damn it Satan, get lost! Nobody likes you!


I like Trap, but I can't cheer against this little frenchie.
Tbf, protoss might receive new buffs now.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4137 Posts
July 17 2020 17:20 GMT
#1037
1 game to decide the whole protoss race faith in this tournament
Drone is a way of living
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 17 2020 17:20 GMT
#1038
On July 18 2020 02:19 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:17 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 18 2020 02:09 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On July 18 2020 02:08 stilt wrote:
Come on Clem, prevent a protoss to reach the holy quarter final !


Go home Satan, you're drunk.


Damn it Satan, get lost! Nobody likes you!


I like Trap, but I can't cheer against this little frenchie.
Tbf, protoss might receive new buffs now.


To be honest, I like Clem a lot too.

I just don't want to not see all TvT, ZvZ and TvZ for the rest of the tournament.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
July 17 2020 17:21 GMT
#1039
On July 18 2020 02:19 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:17 Legan wrote:
It is a bit disappointing that clem did not get out first from the group because then all groups would have a foreigner as first and this would have guaranteed four Foreigner (European) vs Koreans at ro8.


E vs E and K vs K is better because of server.

For once this can be viewed as preferable.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
July 17 2020 17:21 GMT
#1040
On July 18 2020 02:08 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 02:01 Musicus wrote:
Not sure about mechanics overall, but when it comes to speed I think Reynor is faster than Serral and Maru.

At least Rotti said he was mindblown when he saw Reynor play offline and he is the fastest player out there. And I'd say Rotti saw every top player there is play offline.

Based on their streams and first person views I don't think so at all. It's way harder to keep up with what Serral and Maru are doing.

Wonder if anyone has screen-per-minute stats for these kind of things

That would be really cool!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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