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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 16 2020 17:03 GMT
#401
Well Big Gabe advancing first is not exactly what I expected
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 16 2020 17:03 GMT
#402
On July 17 2020 02:00 ytherik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Exactly, which in this case makes me wonder why people still look for excuses when Serral beats Inno.

I don't think Serral in his current form is a huuuuge favourite against INno, especially online (where INno often beats guys like Dark), that being said he still should be favoured to some degree. But this is still a close enough match that things like latency should be considered

The bigger factor here is that if you look at the games themselves you can tell this was played cross server. INno isn't exactly well known for losing all his marines to banelings or not splitting properly even when he's looking.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
July 16 2020 17:04 GMT
#403
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Do you think Terran is favored in TvZ right now? I feel like I've seen you say that but I guess I might be confusing you with the multitude of people here who think T is broken because of the results of a single tournament. I personally agree with you but that's because I recognize TvZ is still either Z favored or 50-50 at worse regardless of a single GSL. If you think TvZ is T favored and still call Serral a favorite over Innovation then I don't know what to say except Serral is not that good.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 16 2020 17:05 GMT
#404
On July 17 2020 02:02 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:00 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Not with latency

Why do you ignore Serral's latency?


because as Rotti pointed out latency matters more for Terran than for Z.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 16 2020 17:05 GMT
#405
On July 17 2020 02:03 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:02 Elentos wrote:
Big dick Gabe building a sensor tower practically in TIME's natural.

Big G Big D plays, hell yeah!


Delete this post
AdministratorBreak the chains
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 16 2020 17:06 GMT
#406
On July 17 2020 02:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:03 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:02 Elentos wrote:
Big dick Gabe building a sensor tower practically in TIME's natural.

Big G Big D plays, hell yeah!


Delete this post

Are you trying to put someone in chains
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 16 2020 17:06 GMT
#407
Guys surely this time Risky can collect his free win after messing up against Serral tho
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
July 16 2020 17:06 GMT
#408
On July 17 2020 02:05 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:00 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Not with latency

Why do you ignore Serral's latency?


because as Rotti pointed out latency matters more for Terran than for Z.

And then i would argue that even without latency Inno is not favored over serral. This argument is so pointless that it's like a void ray.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-16 17:08:12
July 16 2020 17:07 GMT
#409
On July 17 2020 02:04 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Do you think Terran is favored in TvZ right now? I feel like I've seen you say that but I guess I might be confusing you with the multitude of people here who think T is broken because of the results of a single tournament. I personally agree with you but that's because I recognize TvZ is still either Z favored or 50-50 at worse regardless of a single GSL. If you think TvZ is T favored and still call Serral a favorite over Innovation then I don't know what to say except Serral is not that good.

All top seeds in GSL Ro16 opted for tvz. Inno rather plays Dark than Bunny or PartinG
Thinking Z would be favoured vs T while thats happening is pathetic
MaxPax
raff100
Profile Joined April 2011
498 Posts
July 16 2020 17:07 GMT
#410
WTF Heromarine won the Parting\TY group.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 16 2020 17:07 GMT
#411
On July 17 2020 02:06 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:05 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:00 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Not with latency

Why do you ignore Serral's latency?


because as Rotti pointed out latency matters more for Terran than for Z.

And then i would argue that even without latency Inno is not favored over serral. This argument is so pointless that it's like a void ray.


Yes your argument is kinda pointless as a void ray
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
July 16 2020 17:08 GMT
#412
On July 17 2020 02:07 raff100 wrote:
WTF Heromarine won the Parting\TY group.

ez for Big Gabe
Rubicant1
Profile Joined October 2019
115 Posts
July 16 2020 17:08 GMT
#413
Heromarineeeeeeeeeeee, holy shit.
ytherik
Profile Joined July 2020
199 Posts
July 16 2020 17:09 GMT
#414
HeRoMaRinE too big to be affected by latency.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
July 16 2020 17:10 GMT
#415
On July 17 2020 02:06 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:05 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:00 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Not with latency

Why do you ignore Serral's latency?


because as Rotti pointed out latency matters more for Terran than for Z.

And then i would argue that even without latency Inno is not favored over serral. This argument is so pointless that it's like a void ray.

Sure Serral is favoured even in a fair setting, but given how close this series was you can't use that to disregard the ping factor. INno might have very well won had he been able to react and control his units as fast as he's used to.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 16 2020 17:10 GMT
#416
HeroMarine increasing the chances of tank toppers with his size
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
July 16 2020 17:10 GMT
#417
Shame more people aren't watching PartinG vs TY
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 16 2020 17:11 GMT
#418
On July 17 2020 02:07 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:04 JJH777 wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Do you think Terran is favored in TvZ right now? I feel like I've seen you say that but I guess I might be confusing you with the multitude of people here who think T is broken because of the results of a single tournament. I personally agree with you but that's because I recognize TvZ is still either Z favored or 50-50 at worse regardless of a single GSL. If you think TvZ is T favored and still call Serral a favorite over Innovation then I don't know what to say except Serral is not that good.

All top seeds in GSL Ro16 opted for tvz. Inno rather plays Dark than Bunny or PartinG
Thinking Z would be favoured vs T while thats happening is pathetic

Every single Terran in the group selection said they don't want to play TvP but people still say TvP is Terran favored. That's not exactly the hottest argument. Also not that I think Inno cares that much but he is teammates with Bunny
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7196 Posts
July 16 2020 17:11 GMT
#419
On July 17 2020 02:07 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2020 02:06 Luolis wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:05 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:02 Luolis wrote:
On July 17 2020 02:00 Argonauta wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:58 Xain0n wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:51 Fango wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 ytherik wrote:
On July 17 2020 01:40 sudete wrote:
Anyone think that ping might be a slight issue?

It might be a slight issue for everyone, but somehow people tend to mention it only when Koreans lose...

In this case, it was a TvZ (and bio at that) where the terran is blatently worse off when playing with increased latency. If this was HeroMarine playing bio and losing to soO for example, you'd say the same thing. Personally I think people need to just take any results played cross server with a grain of salt, regardless of who wins.

Another point just in general to what you say is that typically koreans are favourites, and latency issues become less relevant when the favoured player wins. When the player who should win on paper wins, you don't start looking for potential reasons why that might have happened.


Inno is not favored over Serral.


Not with latency

Why do you ignore Serral's latency?


because as Rotti pointed out latency matters more for Terran than for Z.

And then i would argue that even without latency Inno is not favored over serral. This argument is so pointless that it's like a void ray.


Yes your argument is kinda pointless as a void ray

I see that you don't know how to read. Unsurprising.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 16 2020 17:12 GMT
#420
On July 17 2020 02:10 geokilla wrote:
Shame more people aren't watching PartinG vs TY

Series just started and I don't think people were expecting this losers match. Viewers will probably go up if the series isn't just 15 minutes of crappy cheese.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
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