On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
So Korean scene is more healthy with upcoming fresh blood ?
Also let's be honest is this the appropriate comment for a tournament with young up and comer Stephano making the top 8?
TIME really is the closest to a typical Korean Terran in this tournament. Yeah SpeCial plays like TY but that's a kinda non-standard brand of Korean Terran.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
Reynor and TIME are new to the top 8 this year. That’s not stagnant.
Reynor was already a top foreigner last year if you look at the tournaments he was allowed to compete in.
Other than TIME pushing up we've basically had the same tournament for the last 7 or so wcs events.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant? Especially when you are so excited to watch Maru roflstomp everyone in Code S playoffs…Protoss GSL was the most varied we have had in the last two years, I don't remember you being happy.
On September 09 2019 01:23 Elentos wrote: TIME really is the closest to a typical Korean Terran in this tournament. Yeah SpeCial plays like TY but that's a kinda non-standard brand of Korean Terran.
Yeah SpeCial doesn't really play like the classic Korean terran. TIME does even if he isn't close to the elite yet.
Stylistically TIME matches up really well vs the foreigner field.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?
The higher round matches of WCS are usually not close though. Even though you'd think those 8 players who always reach the top 8 should be relatively even in skill.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?
Its stagnant because there are only 8-10 foreigners actually competing on the level to go deep every time. And even further only 1-2 capable of being challengers to win. Like I said, we almost get the same roster in the ro8 of every wcs event. Multiple people have pointed out that the top 8 of this tournament is almost identical to the top 8 of yearly rankings.
Compare it to events with koreans over the last two years. The pool of top players and variance in the later stages is much greater.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?
Its stagnant because there are only 8-10 foreigners actually competing on the level to go deep every time. And even further only 1-2 capable of being challengers to win. Like I said, we almost get the same roster in the ro8 of every wcs event. Multiple people have pointed out that the top 8 of this tournament is almost identical to the top 8 of yearly rankings.
Compare it to events with koreans over the last two years. The pool of top players and variance in the later stages is much greater.
You are not answering at all, this post of yours is identical to the last three you made. This level of consistency is unique to 2019, I don't think it's bad and I don't even think it's going to be the same in the next years.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
So Korean scene is more healthy with upcoming fresh blood ?
Also let's be honest is this the appropriate comment for a tournament with young up and comer Stephano making the top 8?
Dunno, I don't think Stephano ro8 invalidates the fact that there is more fresh blood in the foreign scene than the korean one for now unfortunately.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
So Korean scene is more healthy with upcoming fresh blood ?
Also let's be honest is this the appropriate comment for a tournament with young up and comer Stephano making the top 8?
Dunno, I don't think Stephano ro8 invalidates the fact that there is more fresh blood in the foreign scene than the korean one for now unfortunately.
Korean scene hasn't had incentive to go pro for the longest time.
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote: Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right
Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final. The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.
When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.
The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.
You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before
The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.
WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent
in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable
Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?
If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.
If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?
Its stagnant because there are only 8-10 foreigners actually competing on the level to go deep every time. And even further only 1-2 capable of being challengers to win. Like I said, we almost get the same roster in the ro8 of every wcs event. Multiple people have pointed out that the top 8 of this tournament is almost identical to the top 8 of yearly rankings.
Compare it to events with koreans over the last two years. The pool of top players and variance in the later stages is much greater.
You are not answering at all, this post of yours is identical to the last three you made. This level of consistency is unique to 2019, I don't think it's bad and I don't even think it's going to be the same in the next years.
You also don't seem to understand what I meant by calling wcs stagnant and repetitive. Having the same tournament every time is indeed consistent, but its also pretty damn boring.
There simply isn't much variance between these events or anything to get invested in. Especially compared to the international or korean tournaments which WCS supposedly outshines.
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