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[WCS 2019] Fall (Montreal) - Championship Sunday - Page 6

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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4041 Posts
September 08 2019 16:50 GMT
#101
Neeb is really good. Neeb Special Reynor Serral - this is as good top4 as it gets
Drone is a way of living
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 08 2019 16:56 GMT
#102
smh, mech vs Protoss. Neeb picking this apart like it was never supposed to be in style.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 08 2019 16:57 GMT
#103
On September 09 2019 01:47 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2019 01:39 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:32 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:26 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:58 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:15 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:05 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:02 Elentos wrote:
Kinda disappointing how all the people theoretically still fighting for Blizzcon did this tournament. Guess the top 8 is just too stable.

WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right


Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final.
The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.


When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.

The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.

You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before


The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.

WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent

in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable

Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?

If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.


If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?

Its stagnant because there are only 8-10 foreigners actually competing on the level to go deep every time. And even further only 1-2 capable of being challengers to win. Like I said, we almost get the same roster in the ro8 of every wcs event. Multiple people have pointed out that the top 8 of this tournament is almost identical to the top 8 of yearly rankings.

Compare it to events with koreans over the last two years. The pool of top players and variance in the later stages is much greater.


You are not answering at all, this post of yours is identical to the last three you made.
This level of consistency is unique to 2019, I don't think it's bad and I don't even think it's going to be the same in the next years.

You also don't seem to understand what I meant by calling wcs stagnant and repetitive. Having the same tournament every time is indeed consistent, but its also pretty damn boring.

There simply isn't much variance between these events or anything to get invested in. Especially compared to the international or korean tournaments which WCS supposedly outshines.


Oh, I understand what you are saying but I don't agree at all. Having almost the same top8 in three events doesn't imply that the tournament will be the same and it's far from being boring(it turns out that the games aren't at all); that's your opinion entirely, don't watch them if you don't like them.

Generally, international tournaments are the ones I'm most excited for; korean tournaments may or may be not better than WCS.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 08 2019 16:58 GMT
#104
that stargate in the middle of the map had immunity apparently
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
September 08 2019 16:59 GMT
#105
It is like text book example showing how extremely weak mech is against Protoss.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 08 2019 16:59 GMT
#106
Neeb better give us good games against Serral if he takes out TIME
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 08 2019 16:59 GMT
#107
TIME throwing his chance at this series trying to do that.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 08 2019 17:00 GMT
#108
On September 09 2019 01:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Neeb better give us good games against Serral if he takes out TIME

Too late to have faith in Neeb vs Serral. Its not 2018 anymore I dont think Neeb's PvZ is quite the best in the world.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
September 08 2019 17:01 GMT
#109
Sometimes Neeb can struggle against future and then rekt clem/TIME with ease, what a beast.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 08 2019 17:01 GMT
#110
On September 09 2019 02:00 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2019 01:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Neeb better give us good games against Serral if he takes out TIME

Too late to have faith in Neeb vs Serral. Its not 2018 anymore I dont think Neeb's PvZ is quite the best in the world.


In that case let's have Neeb vs GIRTH
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-08 17:03:58
September 08 2019 17:03 GMT
#111
On September 09 2019 02:01 stilt wrote:
Sometimes Neeb can struggle against future and then rekt clem/TIME with ease, what a beast.

It's well known that games between NA players are always gonna be clownfiesta regardless of skill difference between the players.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 08 2019 17:04 GMT
#112
So I accidentally clicked on the twitch link, fine with me, but I am sitting on 100 mbps(technically 150, but my card isn't capable of delivering, neither router ) and can't see 1080@60 because "twitch". Why isn't WCS at Youtube at the same time as at Twitch? Meh.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
September 08 2019 17:04 GMT
#113
On September 09 2019 01:57 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2019 01:47 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:39 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:32 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:26 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:58 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:20 Fango wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:15 Xain0n wrote:
On September 09 2019 00:05 Fango wrote:
[quote]
WCS has been this way for like three years but its still more exiting than GSL right


Weren't you the one complaining yesterday about Lambo getting to BlizzCon? He qualified in a very exciting turn of events, if he didn't Reynor would have with a single WCS presence; not to mention Has and Mana both miracolously reaching a WCS final.
The top eight Circuit sent to BlizzCon was very different from the best eight players there were, you are just complaining for the sake of it.


When was I complaining? I made a joke That Lambo not making blizzcon this year makes up for him getting in last year over better players.

The top 8 of every WCS has been stagnant since forever. It's usually the same player winning every time, and the same roster of players making top 8 (obviously fluctuating depending on brackets). Someone even did the stats in the "WCS>GSL" article last year and proved its much more repetitive than GSL/any korean event in terms of who makes top 8 each event.

You can't list one or two decent storylines and act like the WCS top 8 isn't stagnant. The top 8 of WCS rankings is almost the exact top 8 in this tourney, and that's something thats happened multiple times before


The term "stagnant" is so out of place here that it makes me laugh.

WCS top 8 has been extremely consistent

in 2017 the top 8 was quite stable

Feel free to explain how having the same "stable" or "consistent" top 8 at nearly every wcs doesn't feel stagnant?

If you look at every Korean event for the last two years there is a lot more variance, we aren't getting the same tournament every time. Hence my original post that was joking at the people claiming wcs is more exiting.


If the best are good enough to place high every time, it just means at the moment you couldn't be seeing a better ro8 in WCS; this usually ensures matches are tense and of high quality, how is this stagnant?

Its stagnant because there are only 8-10 foreigners actually competing on the level to go deep every time. And even further only 1-2 capable of being challengers to win. Like I said, we almost get the same roster in the ro8 of every wcs event. Multiple people have pointed out that the top 8 of this tournament is almost identical to the top 8 of yearly rankings.

Compare it to events with koreans over the last two years. The pool of top players and variance in the later stages is much greater.


You are not answering at all, this post of yours is identical to the last three you made.
This level of consistency is unique to 2019, I don't think it's bad and I don't even think it's going to be the same in the next years.

You also don't seem to understand what I meant by calling wcs stagnant and repetitive. Having the same tournament every time is indeed consistent, but its also pretty damn boring.

There simply isn't much variance between these events or anything to get invested in. Especially compared to the international or korean tournaments which WCS supposedly outshines.


Oh, I understand what you are saying but I don't agree at all. Having almost the same top8 in three events doesn't imply that the tournament will be the same and it's far from being boring(it turns out that the games aren't at all); that's your opinion entirely, don't watch them if you don't like them.

Generally, international tournaments are the ones I'm most excited for; korean tournaments may or may be not better than WCS.


I agree, if you actually watch the games and not the names of the players the meta has shifted quite a bit multiple times over the last 7 WCS'. The games are playing out completely differently.

That's what makes it exciting. I want to see how someone as good as Serral will evolve and come up with different strategies to get advantages over what others are doing.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 08 2019 17:09 GMT
#114
that looked tilty
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10104 Posts
September 08 2019 17:09 GMT
#115
what a defence by Neeb wow!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 08 2019 17:09 GMT
#116
lol that was disastrous for TIME
Kaewins
Profile Joined April 2013
Bulgaria138 Posts
September 08 2019 17:09 GMT
#117
Why did Time throw this...
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 08 2019 17:10 GMT
#118
TIME was really off in that game.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
September 08 2019 17:10 GMT
#119
"i mean, likely to play serral next" lmao
Year of MaxPax
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 08 2019 17:11 GMT
#120
Serral "one of the best" confirmed
I Protoss winner, could it be?
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