EPT[GSL 2019] Season 1 - Ro16 Group C - Page 7
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:39 Jerom wrote: I went over that game. TY did not beat Zest lategame because Zest didn't even reach the lategame stage. In that macro game Zest literally failed to get more than 60 probes and then was using 3 tempest without an oracle revelation for a little bit, to then lose them and play with a gateway army against lategame terran. It's possibly the worst reference to saying TvP lategame is fine. You might as well just show a cannon rush and say terran can win lategame. ??? I think you need to go over that game again, then, since Zest was regularly at or above 60 probes. The problem is that TY was playing TvP lategame the way it should be done, abusing the protoss reliance on death ball and constantly putting pressure on expansions. Zest had the late game composition and late game base count, but worker count could never get a chance to recover. To further prove it was indeed lategame, TY was at around 70-80 SCVs. Tempests can pick at terran positions, but they have low dps and are slow. the tempest HT death ball cannot go around contesting fast MMM | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:26 Mlord wrote: Honestly great job from trap, i don't think you can do much vs him, its sad to see that he is never doing well in PvZ and PvP compare to how unbreakable he is in PvT PvDark is his best machup imo | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:48 BerserkSword wrote: ??? I think you need to go over that game again, then, since Zest was regularly at or above 60 probes. The problem is that TY was playing TvP lategame the way it should be done, abusing the protoss reliance on death ball and constantly putting pressure on expansions. Zest had the late game composition and late game base count, but worker count could never get a chance to recover. To further prove it was indeed lategame, TY was at around 70-80 SCVs. Tempests can pick at terran positions, but they have low dps and are slow. the tempest HT death ball cannot go around contesting fast MMM If that's your opinion i'd recommend you to watch ty parting from january or february | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:52 Mlord wrote: If that's your opinion i'd recommend you to watch ty parting from january or february pretty sure i havent seen that one. will do thanks | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:46 Mlord wrote: I'm not sure what to say about that, i watched both game as it was very interesting to see them playing lategame and i don't think you can expect those two game to be the norm for PvT lategame, zest barely survived a libe tank push timing because he had an extremely late tempest transition, and neeb had like one good move where he caught 10liberator offguard vs maru catching neeb colossus/tempest like 3 4 times on top of nuking 50probe with only 2nukes, if you compare the amount of mistakes it's kind of comparing people losing with broodlord infestor on WOL, it happened alot of time, but it will never change the fact that it was incredibly unfair This is very much spot on. The problem with lategame TvP is that it is much more foregiving for the protoss. Not only they can transition there faster with better Eco, but they are not punished that hard when they make some mistakes. To lose, they actually have to make a big mistake, or a set of mistakes while the T plays absolutely perfectly. Not to mention how much harder it is to control against storm tempest that it is to execute attacks with them... | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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xongnox
540 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:33 Mlord wrote: I don't agree with that, i don't see any map design that could make it even or favorable for terran if you reach a tempest vs libe/viking spot from an even position, if you split the map you shouldnt be able to outtrade a tempest/ht/disruptor army, especially with the level of control that people like dear and trap have Year Zero is the one that comes to mind. And i said "maybe", because even on this map or similar i think as you it should be toss favored if played good enough. But eh thors, ravens, Bc exists and we only have so few games to see it, so i said maybe. Tho on all other maps it's a no-brainer, dunno why Inno even attempted it. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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Durnuu
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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LennX
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19237 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:20 BisuDagger wrote: 2019 is making it really hard to do power rankings. Where does Innovation sit now? Was wesg really that impressive of a win? INno at the minute looks shaky in at least TvZ and TvP. | ||
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