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On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did.
Not worth it in this GSL :
TvsP : 56.7%
ZvP : 51. 6%
But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%)
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On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%)
Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size.
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On March 21 2019 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote:On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size.
That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ?
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On March 21 2019 03:35 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote:On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size. That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ?
You should at least take a couple of the most recent GSLs, to have a meaningful dataset, im sure the results would be so much different
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On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%)
Did you count GSL qualifs in your winrates?
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On March 21 2019 03:35 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote:On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size. That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ?
not triggered, just questioned your approach. Sarcasm is sometimes hard to understand on the internet.
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On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote:On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did.
Non-korean protoss players dont "struggle". Rail beat innovation too and Neeb did not struggle against Maru lol. Neeb was going blow for blow with Maru until the end, and in fact, there were points in the game when it looked like Neeb was about to bury Maru. Neeb played excellently. Only problem is that Maru played better.
Inno doesnt play late tame TvP optimally like Maru or TY do imo. In this last game he didnt bring his liberators with him for some reason while defending his expansion, letting Trap's immortals run rampant. by the time he brought the liberators down, the expansion and half of inno's army were dead
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Trap played really good. congratz 
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