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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: Who Advances? Classic & INnoVation (16) sOs & Classic (12) sOs & INnoVation (8) Classic & Trap (7) Trap & sOs (2) INnoVation & Trap (2) 47 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Classic & INnoVation | ||
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HolydaKing
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deacon.frost
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Classic 2-0 TrapsOs 2-1 BogusClassic 2-1 sOsTrap 2-0 BogusTrap 0-2 sOs | ||
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pvsnp
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Betting on the latter, honestly. | ||
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Die4Ever
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easyway6
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Alejandrisha
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Colouss
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ordeal11
Czech Republic52 Posts
But I am not gonna be surprised if 2nd spot goes to Classic or even Trap. btw, anyone know of some hidden youtube restream? Or how to bypass gaming block on work's network for Twitch.tv? I don't wanna miss it, but I am 100% sure I will look up on liquipedia and lose interest in watching when I know the outcome. | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 20 2019 12:42 ordeal11 wrote: If had to guess Bogus and ... lets say $o$ But I am not gonna be surprised if 2nd spot goes to Classic or even Trap. btw, anyone know of some hidden youtube restream? Or how to bypass gaming block on work's network for Twitch.tv? I don't wanna miss it, but I am 100% sure I will look up on liquipedia and lose interest in watching when I know the outcome. Damn, you have some unpleasant management. I watch Starcraft openly at work and all I got asked was what game it was. You could try Afreeca, maybe they haven't blocked that. | ||
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ordeal11
Czech Republic52 Posts
On March 20 2019 12:48 pvsnp wrote: Damn you have some unpleasant management, I watch Starcraft openly at work and all I got asked was what the game it was. You could try Afreeca, maybe they haven't blocked that. It's under SKODA/VW Group network, I'm afraid Afreeca is blocked too, it's still boggle my mind that youtube is fine, but twitch and other websites under gaming category are prohibited | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 20 2019 12:55 ordeal11 wrote: It's under SKODA/VW Group network, I'm afraid Afreeca is blocked too, it's still boggle my mind that youtube is fine, but twitch and other websites under gaming category are prohibited Well, I think GSL does have a youtube stream, try checking back here or here when the group starts playing. Yeah, I guess a car manufacturer would be a bit more old fashioned. I work in tech, so everything is super chill. | ||
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ordeal11
Czech Republic52 Posts
On March 20 2019 12:59 pvsnp wrote: Well, I think GSL does have a youtube stream, try checking back here or here when the group starts playing. Yeah, I guess a car manufacturer would be a bit more old fashioned. I work in tech, so everything is super chill. Thanks, I will try but iirc gsl is not live on YouTube, despite Asl got yt livestream. Its just their stupid policy filtering everything that goes under porn/gaming/hazard category. Teamliquid site is banned too (i can bypass it if I translate whole page via Google), netflix however Is open. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
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Durnuu
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On March 20 2019 13:34 ordeal11 wrote: Thanks, I will try but iirc gsl is not live on YouTube, despite Asl got yt livestream. Its just their stupid policy filtering everything that goes under porn/gaming/hazard category. Teamliquid site is banned too (i can bypass it if I translate whole page via Google), netflix however Is open. No, GSL has had a youtube stream for quite some time. Pvsnp posted the right channel, and it should be streamed on this page: | ||
Poopi
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AzAlexZ
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Classic 2-0 TrapINnoVation 2-0 sOsINnoVation 1-2 ClassicTrap 2-1 sOsINnoVation 2-0 Trap | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
On March 20 2019 16:45 Poopi wrote: Is it 12 CET or 10:30CET? On this thread it says 12 but on the sidebar it says in 1:45hours so 10:30 55 minutes from now was my bad! | ||
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sneakyfox
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Either way, it's the GSL, hypeuuu! | ||
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opisska
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ordeal11
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Heartland
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Heartland
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deacon.frost
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On March 20 2019 19:37 Heartland wrote: Copying sOs is fine, it's not high apm builds. It's pretty instructional in understanding the meta since all his builds are works of genius in the meta. It requires good understanding of the game so you know why you're doing it, on lower ladders it may not work as players won't react how they should | ||
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Heartland
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On March 20 2019 19:39 deacon.frost wrote: It requires good understanding of the game so you know why you're doing it, on lower ladders it may not work as players won't react how they should I've learned a lot about the game through learning sOs builds, rather than first understanding the MU and then learning builds. | ||
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opisska
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 19:42 Heartland wrote: I've learned a lot about the game through learning sOs builds, rather than first understanding the MU and then learning builds. Not from you, from the other side  If you fake something the other side has to understand the game to the level to be fooled | ||
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Heartland
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On March 20 2019 19:45 deacon.frost wrote: Not from you, from the other side If you fake something the other side has to understand the game to the level to be fooled That is true, it is only in high Plat or so that you can actually make mind-game strats. | ||
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Heartland
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goody153
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deacon.frost
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Edit> nbut the chat is live chat xD Lulz xD | ||
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opisska
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goody153
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opisska
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On March 20 2019 19:56 goody153 wrote: ok so innovation should be dead He plays terran, he doesn't care about worker counts and also can fly his buildings around if needed!!!! | ||
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Heartland
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fLyiNgDroNe
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opisska
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On March 20 2019 19:57 Heartland wrote: The good guys win! That is truly a serenade for my heart | ||
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goody153
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On March 20 2019 19:57 opisska wrote: He plays terran, he doesn't care about worker counts and also can fly his buildings around if needed!!!! this feels like a complain to me | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20282 Posts
That is true, it is only in high Plat or so that you can actually make mind-game strats. I found people miss even a lot of basic scouting and mechanics even in dia, especially in the lower half of dia. I was able to offrace dia1 with no idea what i was doing just on the back of mechanics and basic yolo aggression. Masters is a much higher cutoff - it's top 5% while you get diamond portrait around top 30% now. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 20 2019 19:59 Cyro wrote: I found people miss even a lot of basic scouting and mechanics even in dia 3-2 masters is a much higher cutoff - it's top 5%, rather than the top 30-50%ish of plat. I play dia 3 and I would never even think about trying to trick anyone, we are a completely dumb folk down here. | ||
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Heartland
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Geo.Rion
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Harris1st
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On March 20 2019 20:02 Geo.Rion wrote: We have a new unofficial world champion then? Absolutely! | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 20 2019 20:02 Heartland wrote: When I played in Dia it was pretty easy to play counter to the meta because Dia's are all about that BO. So when I discovered the 1-gate proxy in HotS I pretty much won every PvT. I dunno kev. It's probably because Diamond is (together with the irrelevant mud of Bronze) the broadest skill range in the game, so it really depends on where in it you are. But my Dia3 experience is that every 5th game is a guy playing something that doesn't even make sense at all. Interestingly, the average oponent APMs have gonna quite up during the time and I feel like a couple of years ago, I would just die to those people if they decided to harass me with a worker, but their gameplans don't feel like having improved at all. | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
 Sadly this doesn't cross with group A so we could have every terran eliminated asap | ||
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Heartland
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HolydaKing
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BerserkSword
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On March 20 2019 20:21 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, if sOs wins the group ... :O he's the second best PvP on the planet imo | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 20:21 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, if sOs wins the group ... :O JAGW team kill, beautiful. | ||
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Heartland
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deacon.frost
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deacon.frost
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"Plan B? I like Plan C!" "Let's do Plan D!" "Focus on the little one." "What little one?" "The LITTLE one!" "They're all LITTLE!" | ||
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Heartland
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Durnuu
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On March 20 2019 20:43 lolfail9001 wrote: That neural network would win this game actually. Classic isn't a foreigner though | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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to AlphaStar we are all foreigners. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
It wouldn't, because immortals > awesome micro and better income > awesome micro. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 20 2019 20:21 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, if sOs wins the group ... :O sOs never wins against Classic. He tends to win the more standard games, but then starts doing weird shit and Classic is just way too solid to fall for that. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On March 20 2019 20:50 deacon.frost wrote: It wouldn't, because immortals > awesome micro and better income > awesome micro. Immortals are too slow though so you can kite rest of the army first and then focus fire immortals. You do need AlphaStar levels of control for that. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 20:51 lolfail9001 wrote: Immortals are too slow though so you can kite rest of the army first and then focus fire immortals. You do need AlphaStar levels of control for that. Nah, that's how Alphastar got beaten. Army that doesn't care about micro beats army that cares about micro if the difference is big. sOs was too far behind for any level of micro. Classic could have waited at home and just been scuoting for another bases and these shutting down and then a-move with his chargelot/archon/immortal army to victory. | ||
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Heartland
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:00 Heartland wrote: And if you work hard you can become that probe when you grow up If you're a drone or larvae you have much better future ahead. Drone - my mum told me I can become anything I want, so I became a hatchery! Larvae - .................., so I became an ultralisk! Beat that | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6818 Posts
Protoss: Let's use units with even more ridicolous higher range | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:10 Harris1st wrote: Terran: Let's use units with ridicolous high range Protoss: Let's use units that shoots from another galaxy There. I fixed that | ||
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Heartland
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On March 20 2019 21:11 darklycid wrote: The amount of zealots in the third makes me wonder why inno doesnt build a bunker there. units in bunker = dead supply | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
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On March 20 2019 21:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this felt a lot like broodlord-infestor WOL. Not the same thing, but feeling is a lot alike. I think thats a good comparison | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this felt a lot like broodlord-infestor WOL. Not the same thing, but feeling is a lot alike. + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2019 21:11 darklycid wrote: The amount of zealots in the third makes me wonder why inno doesnt build a bunker there. units in bunker = dead suppl This is what happens when you practice the late game with Maru, as we saw Maru v Neeb game #2 at WESG. That practice has to show up, Inno shouldn't go into the super lategame against any JAGW Protoss/Zerg unless he has big advantage, IMO. Pull the boys before. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 20 2019 21:14 Fango wrote: INno lost to Rail in a lategame, he sure wasn't gonna beat Trap You never know, maybe Trap will suddenly remember this is the Ro16 and he has to lose (although he usually does in the final match). | ||
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Doko
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On March 20 2019 21:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this felt a lot like broodlord-infestor WOL. Not the same thing, but feeling is a lot alike. units in bunker = dead supply marines are pretty much worthless in the frontline at that point. A bunker simcitied with minerals/depos is actually pretty useful, you are gonna have to send units to deal with it anyway. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this felt a lot like broodlord-infestor WOL. Not the same thing, but feeling is a lot alike. innovation didnt play that correctly he needs to watch maru and TY's lategame PvT inno always has too much supply in siege tanks and/or marine marauder | ||
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Fango
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On March 20 2019 21:15 Durnuu wrote: You never know, maybe Trap will suddenly remember this is the Ro16 and he has to lose (although he usually does in the final match). If it was a decider match sure. Trap doesn't like going out last. | ||
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Argonauta
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Its so silly but so funny | ||
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Mlord
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:17 Mlord wrote: Wtf berserksword maru/inno and ty are doing all terrible in lategame tvp its not because maru won vs neeb with two nukes doing 25 kill each that he is THE ultimate tvp lategame reference Then who if not those? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:17 Mlord wrote: Wtf berserksword maru/inno and ty are doing all terrible in lategame tvp its not because maru won vs neeb with two nukes doing 25 kill each that he is THE ultimate tvp lategame reference You can't really reference anyone else though? Maru is the only top terran I've seen actually late game TvP lately | ||
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Durnuu
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Me, obviously | ||
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Mlord
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deacon.frost
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I don't know who you are, but I trust you! Next Terran Code S champion is this guy! Or WCS, depends on the taste. | ||
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goody153
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also i've never seen pulling the boys strat fail just as much | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:26 Mlord wrote: Honestly great job from trap, i don't think you can do much vs him, its sad to see that he is never doing well in PvZ and PvP compare to how unbreakable he is in PvT His PvZ is astonishing specially vs Dark. He is the only one who has beaten Dark repeatedly in those crazy ultimate battles. Also epic holds of Trap vs Leenock or Impact in GSL recently. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:27 Argonauta wrote: His PvZ is astonishing specially vs Dark. He is the only one who has beaten Dark repeatedly in those crazy ultimate battles. Also epic holds of Trap vs Leenock or Impact in GSL recently. Yeah, Rogue and Maru should teach him a move or two, but training PvP vs sOs is... no, just, no. | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
Are we seeing a trend here?  | ||
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xongnox
540 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:21 Mlord wrote: Nobody in my opinion,you can't play a macrogame in TvP, it relies on the protoss failing not the terran playing well, + trap played it brilliantly obviously +maps. On some maps with good libs spots + split map it's maybe ok for terran, but on most maps superior toss range and mobility straight up win if played right. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3996 Posts
Maru should hope Dark wins group B and not hero/dear, which is ironic. | ||
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Harris1st
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Geo.Rion
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But i'm waiting for the people who point out how he's bad at this matchup, and could only win WESG due to bracket luck and lack of good protosses in the tourney. Or do we do that just for foreigners? | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:29 xongnox wrote: +maps. On some maps with good libs spots + split map it's maybe ok for terran, but on most maps superior toss range and mobility straight up win if played right. I don't agree with that, i don't see any map design that could make it even or favorable for terran if you reach a tempest vs libe/viking spot from an even position, if you split the map you shouldnt be able to outtrade a tempest/ht/disruptor army, especially with the level of control that people like dear and trap have | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:17 Mlord wrote: Wtf berserksword maru/inno and ty are doing all terrible in lategame tvp its not because maru won vs neeb with two nukes doing 25 kill each that he is THE ultimate tvp lategame reference TY just beat Zest lategame PvT like a week ago in olimo league finals and I dont understand why Maru vs Neeb is not a reference? Neeb was in excellent form when Maru took him down lategame | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:30 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: we all knew this would happen, and yet its still painful. Maru should hope Dark wins group B and not hero/dear, which is ironic. Hopefully Dark can beat Maru this time. I liked these series, if $O$ wins I've even got my Liquibet right; would definitely not mind Trap advancing. | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:28 Clazziquai10 wrote: Innovation goes out in his GSL group after winning WESG. Soo goes out in his GSL group after winning IEM. Are we seeing a trend here? I guess you become more relaxed about your training regime after having won 150k dollars like 4 days ago ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ... | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:29 xongnox wrote: +maps. On some maps with good libs spots + split map it's maybe ok for terran, but on most maps superior toss range and mobility straight up win if played right. Kind of but a protoss with a brain that actually notices you are turtling and doesn't max on zealots just picks your libs apart with a tempest max. Takes ages to get the necessary infrastructure and upgrades for thors to hold ground vs tempests without getting picked apart. | ||
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Doko
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Heartland
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:34 Doko wrote: Kind of but a protoss with a brain that actually notices you are turtling and doesn't max on zealots just picks your libs apart with a tempest max. Takes ages to get the necessary infrastructure and upgrades for thors to hold ground vs tempests without getting picked apart. You don't go thors you go ghost, lib, viking | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:33 BerserkSword wrote: TY just beat Zest lategame PvT like a week ago in olimo league finals and I dont understand why Maru vs Neeb is not a reference? Neeb was in excellent form when Maru took him down lategame I went over that game. TY did not beat Zest lategame because Zest didn't even reach the lategame stage. In that macro game Zest literally failed to get more than 60 probes and then was using 3 tempest without an oracle revelation for a little bit, to then lose them and play with a gateway army against lategame terran. It's possibly the worst reference to saying TvP lategame is fine. You might as well just show a cannon rush and say terran can win lategame. | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:33 BerserkSword wrote: TY just beat Zest lategame PvT like a week ago in olimo league finals and I dont understand why Maru vs Neeb is not a reference? Neeb was in excellent form when Maru took him down lategame I'm not sure what to say about that, i watched both game as it was very interesting to see them playing lategame and i don't think you can expect those two game to be the norm for PvT lategame, zest barely survived a libe tank push timing because he had an extremely late tempest transition, and neeb had like one good move where he caught 10liberator offguard vs maru catching neeb colossus/tempest like 3 4 times on top of nuking 50probe with only 2nukes, if you compare the amount of mistakes it's kind of comparing people losing with broodlord infestor on WOL, it happened alot of time, but it will never change the fact that it was incredibly unfair | ||
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renaissanceMAN
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:39 Jerom wrote: I went over that game. TY did not beat Zest lategame because Zest didn't even reach the lategame stage. In that macro game Zest literally failed to get more than 60 probes and then was using 3 tempest without an oracle revelation for a little bit, to then lose them and play with a gateway army against lategame terran. It's possibly the worst reference to saying TvP lategame is fine. You might as well just show a cannon rush and say terran can win lategame. ??? I think you need to go over that game again, then, since Zest was regularly at or above 60 probes. The problem is that TY was playing TvP lategame the way it should be done, abusing the protoss reliance on death ball and constantly putting pressure on expansions. Zest had the late game composition and late game base count, but worker count could never get a chance to recover. To further prove it was indeed lategame, TY was at around 70-80 SCVs. Tempests can pick at terran positions, but they have low dps and are slow. the tempest HT death ball cannot go around contesting fast MMM | ||
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Heartland
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Kazi25
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sunnyshine
Australia63 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:26 Mlord wrote: Honestly great job from trap, i don't think you can do much vs him, its sad to see that he is never doing well in PvZ and PvP compare to how unbreakable he is in PvT PvDark is his best machup imo | ||
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Mlord
France135 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:48 BerserkSword wrote: ??? I think you need to go over that game again, then, since Zest was regularly at or above 60 probes. The problem is that TY was playing TvP lategame the way it should be done, abusing the protoss reliance on death ball and constantly putting pressure on expansions. Zest had the late game composition and late game base count, but worker count could never get a chance to recover. To further prove it was indeed lategame, TY was at around 70-80 SCVs. Tempests can pick at terran positions, but they have low dps and are slow. the tempest HT death ball cannot go around contesting fast MMM If that's your opinion i'd recommend you to watch ty parting from january or february | ||
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Doko
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:52 Mlord wrote: If that's your opinion i'd recommend you to watch ty parting from january or february pretty sure i havent seen that one. will do thanks | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 20 2019 21:46 Mlord wrote: I'm not sure what to say about that, i watched both game as it was very interesting to see them playing lategame and i don't think you can expect those two game to be the norm for PvT lategame, zest barely survived a libe tank push timing because he had an extremely late tempest transition, and neeb had like one good move where he caught 10liberator offguard vs maru catching neeb colossus/tempest like 3 4 times on top of nuking 50probe with only 2nukes, if you compare the amount of mistakes it's kind of comparing people losing with broodlord infestor on WOL, it happened alot of time, but it will never change the fact that it was incredibly unfair This is very much spot on. The problem with lategame TvP is that it is much more foregiving for the protoss. Not only they can transition there faster with better Eco, but they are not punished that hard when they make some mistakes. To lose, they actually have to make a big mistake, or a set of mistakes while the T plays absolutely perfectly. Not to mention how much harder it is to control against storm tempest that it is to execute attacks with them... | ||
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Heartland
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xongnox
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On March 20 2019 21:33 Mlord wrote: I don't agree with that, i don't see any map design that could make it even or favorable for terran if you reach a tempest vs libe/viking spot from an even position, if you split the map you shouldnt be able to outtrade a tempest/ht/disruptor army, especially with the level of control that people like dear and trap have Year Zero is the one that comes to mind. And i said "maybe", because even on this map or similar i think as you it should be toss favored if played good enough. But eh thors, ravens, Bc exists and we only have so few games to see it, so i said maybe. Tho on all other maps it's a no-brainer, dunno why Inno even attempted it. | ||
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LennX
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:20 BisuDagger wrote: 2019 is making it really hard to do power rankings. Where does Innovation sit now? Was wesg really that impressive of a win? INno at the minute looks shaky in at least TvZ and TvP. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:20 BisuDagger wrote: 2019 is making it really hard to do power rankings. Where does Innovation sit now? yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:33 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. Thats not an option? I would call that option the 2016 strat. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:33 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, it's guaranteed to generate some outrage, no matter what. If you put him first because of WESG then people will be pointing out this day, and how he dindt face protoss in his run. If you dont put him first then who else? the other most recent champion, soO is similarly was knocked out in an unceremonious fashion. Maru is always an option, since he's still in GSL and ended up 3rd at Wesg, on the other hand he had the easiest group in GSL and his only noteworthy wins at wesg were the 3-0 vs Neeb and the 3-2 vs Scarlett. TY is solid but hasnt won anything. Serral cant be first because there would be a mass suicide wave in protest. It's really hard actually, I would go ahead and just not publish one for a while, but not sure if that's an option. Quite convinced Serral should be #1 because of the consistency he is showing even in 2019; Dark has been very consistent too and I think he'll advance from his Code S group. In any of case, the last option is the best one; Sc2 seems to have no ruler atm. The previous power ranking had to be done before IEM or skipped at all; also, a power ranking for April would be hard, maybe it's better to avoid making one and wait for May instead. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
In terms of global events, soO did better than Serral in 2/3 this year (katowice, gsl, wesg), better than Stats in 2/2 (Katowice, gsl) and better than INno in 2/3 (katowice, gsl, wesg). You can't argue for any of those three to be ranked higher than soO. Maru/Dark/Rogue are all still in GSL however and if any of them win they should be given #1 realistically. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:43 Xain0n wrote: Quite convinced Serral should be #1 because of the consistency he is showing even in 2019; Dark has been very consistent too and I think he'll advance from his Code S group. In any of case, the last option is the best one; Sc2 seems to have no ruler atm. The previous power ranking had to be done before IEM or skipped at all; also, a power ranking for April would be hard, maybe it's better to avoid making one and wait for May instead. Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:16 BisuDagger wrote: Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. Solar probably ^^' | ||
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24492 Posts
it would just be a cute joke if he wasn't serious when he says stuff like that | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:16 BisuDagger wrote: Maru advanced in GSL and finished top 3 WESG. That's pretty solid coming of his consistent last year. So he's definitely still got an argument for top 3. I would throw a curve ball and put TY at #1. He's looking great right now and advanced in his GSL group 2-0. If power rank focuses on the scariness of a player, I don't think anyone would want to go head to head with him in a best of 5 right now. TY looked like the best player in Code S but Solar dispatching him 3-0 in IEM's ro8 doesn't really make him seem a potential #1. It's too hard of a task, really, I'd wait at least for this weekend's results before attempting to imagine a power ranking. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6818 Posts
On March 20 2019 22:45 Fango wrote: I think soO still has the best case. Despite losing in GSL he still did better in it this season than Stats, INno, or Serral. Who are the only other contenders for #1. In terms of global events, soO did better than Serral in 2/3 this year (katowice, gsl, wesg), better than Stats in 2/2 (Katowice, gsl) and better than INno in 2/3 (katowice, gsl, wesg). You can't argue for any of those three to be ranked higher than soO. Maru/Dark/Rogue are all still in GSL however and if any of them win they should be given #1 realistically. Using the Formula 1 point system (IEM, WESG, GSL/ Circuit): Soo: 25, 0, 1 = 26 Serral: ~7, 18, 4+ (though WCS is easier, ofc) = 29 Maru: 0, 15, 4+ = 19+ Inno: 0, 25, 0 = 25 TY: ~1.5, 0, 4+ = 5.5+ Soo and TY didn't qualify (though they tried) for WESG This was done in somewhat of a rush. Pls don't hesitate to point out mistakes | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:37 Xain0n wrote: TY looked like the best player in Code S but Solar dispatching him 3-0 in IEM's ro8 doesn't really make him seem a potential #1. It's too hard of a task, really, I'd wait at least for this weekend's results before attempting to imagine a power ranking. I dont think this weekend s results bare any significance upon the top 1-3 places. Say Dark crushes 4-0, it would still be hard to justify placing him 1st or 2nd. The best path is not to write one, or leave soO as first and in the description say something like " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we wanted to give the first to someone else, but we cant make a credible case for anyone, so the status quo remains, and anyways, have you seen that subway banner?" | ||
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Obamarauder
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:46 Harris1st wrote: Using the Formula 1 point system (IEM, WESG, GSL/ Circuit): Soo: 25, 0, 1 = 26 Serral: ~7, 18, 4+ (though WCS is easier, ofc) = 29 Maru: 0, 15, 4+ = 19+ Inno: 0, 25, 0 = 25 TY: ~1.5, 0, 4+ = 5.5+ Soo and TY didn't qualify (though they tried) for WESG This was done in somewhat of a rush. Pls don't hesitate to point out mistakes Comparing WCS to GSL point wise is nonsense | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:04 Mun_Su wrote: I'm not surprised by INno's lose. Sad but not surprised. he was for 2 weeks in China and didn't even have strong protoss opposition. He just won hte big tournament and fly back; he was lacking prep"... I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:58 Geo.Rion wrote: I dont think this weekend s results bare any significance upon the top 1-3 places. Say Dark crushes 4-0, it would still be hard to justify placing him 1st or 2nd. The best path is not to write one, or leave soO as first and in the description say something like " ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we wanted to give the first to someone else, but we cant make a credible case for anyone, so the status quo remains, and anyways, have you seen that subway banner?" I wasn't totally convinced by soO's first place in the power rankings after IEM and he crashed out of Code S right after; Dark would have had fairly good results in Code S(ideally), WESG and IEM. Serral is playing Groupstage 3 in WCS this weekend, if he advances as first that surely counts as a positive performance. It wouldn't seem appropriate, to me, to have soO ranked again first after these results(which may indeed differ from the ones I am listing here). Not making a power ranking at all is a viable solution. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote: I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. Inno killed a few probes, but trap ransacked inno's bases, killing more SCVs than inno killed probes, delaying stim, and killing tanks Inno killed probes, but it's not like he was was ahead by any means. he also had zero widow mines honestly his series vs trap was very disappointing imo | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2019 23:28 travis wrote: lol @ fango "soo did better than serral at gsl" it would just be a cute joke if he wasn't serious when he says stuff like that I also said that Serral did better than soO at WeSG so what's your point here? If you're gonna rank Serral in the same list as koreans then any good performance in GSL would be a valid point for them to have on him. | ||
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WickedBit
United States343 Posts
On March 21 2019 01:33 renaissanceMAN wrote: I asked this earlier and didn't get an answer, but what he supposed to do in game 2? (didn't see game 1) He got probes, but he still got bowled over. I find myself in similar situations in TvP regularly, so I'm selfishly curious what a Terran is supposed to do is situations like this. I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote: I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote: Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On March 21 2019 03:09 Charoisaur wrote: Why are you taking the winrates of 1 tournament in isolation? That makes absolutely no sense and only leafs to a lower sample size. That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 21 2019 03:35 Tyrhanius wrote: That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ? You should at least take a couple of the most recent GSLs, to have a meaningful dataset, im sure the results would be so much different | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On March 21 2019 02:57 Tyrhanius wrote: Not worth it in this GSL : TvsP : 56.7% ZvP : 51. 6% But, Zerg could consider to switch P vs Terran to gain +0,4% of winrate (TvZ : 57.1%) Did you count GSL qualifs in your winrates? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15883 Posts
On March 21 2019 03:35 Tyrhanius wrote: That's a joke. Why are you trigger so fast ? not triggered, just questioned your approach. Sarcasm is sometimes hard to understand on the internet. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 21 2019 02:19 WickedBit wrote: I wonder if it’s allowed to race switch to Zerg when playing Protoss? Someone should try that! From what I can see there is no way to engage a late game Protoss who plays the way Trap did in game 1. Even if he had been pushed back innovation might have struggled at the line of shield batteries trap was setting up in middle of the map! In case of non Korean pro tosses I think they haven’t faced many Terran going late game which is why they struggle against them like Neeb did. Non-korean protoss players dont "struggle". Rail beat innovation too and Neeb did not struggle against Maru lol. Neeb was going blow for blow with Maru until the end, and in fact, there were points in the game when it looked like Neeb was about to bury Maru. Neeb played excellently. Only problem is that Maru played better. Inno doesnt play late tame TvP optimally like Maru or TY do imo. In this last game he didnt bring his liberators with him for some reason while defending his expansion, letting Trap's immortals run rampant. by the time he brought the liberators down, the expansion and half of inno's army were dead | ||
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